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Tesla plunges 250 feet off rocky ocean cliff, 4 occupants survive
Posted by: steve...
Date: January 03, 2023 11:55PM
Check out the rescue video.


Officials said the four-door, white Tesla sedan was traveling southbound on Highway 1, just south of the Tom Lantos Tunnel between Pacifica and Montara, when it veered off the roadway. They did not cite a reason for the crash.

A spokesperson for the California Highway Patrol told CNN they do not believe any of the Tesla’s self-driving features were active at the time.

“The damage to the vehicle would indicate that it hit, and then flipped several times,” Pottenger said. The car came to rest on its wheels, he added.

The San Mateo Sheriff’s Office said Monday that the two adults suffered “non-life threatening injuries” and the two children were “unharmed.”

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Re: Tesla plunges 250 feet off rocky ocean cliff, 4 occupants survive
Posted by: Filliam H. Muffman
Date: January 04, 2023 12:01AM
"The driver of a Tesla that went off a cliff Monday at Devil's Slide in San Mateo County has been arrested..."
https: //www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/peninsula/tesla-crash-devils-slide-driver-arrested/3119705/


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Re: Tesla plunges 250 feet off rocky ocean cliff, 4 occupants survive
Posted by: chopper
Date: January 04, 2023 07:14AM
Unquestionably a well-made car. I'm impressed.
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Re: Tesla plunges 250 feet off rocky ocean cliff, 4 occupants survive
Posted by: Tiangou
Date: January 04, 2023 07:31AM
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chopper
Unquestionably a well-made car.

I don't think that's a fair conclusion.

Unquestionably American cars have mandatory safety features.

Unquestionably, people survive situations where we'd expect them to die.


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Re: Tesla plunges 250 feet off rocky ocean cliff, 4 occupants survive
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: January 04, 2023 07:36AM
That car crashed down almost as far as Tesla stock yesterday.
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Re: Tesla plunges 250 feet off rocky ocean cliff, 4 occupants survive
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: January 04, 2023 07:38AM
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Tiangou
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chopper
Unquestionably a well-made car.

I don't think that's a fair conclusion.

Unquestionably American cars have mandatory safety features.

Unquestionably, people survive situations where we'd expect them to die.

Yes they do. Didn't a Kia or Hyundai go over a cliff last week, fall several hundred feet, and the 2 occupants were fine?
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Re: Tesla plunges 250 feet off rocky ocean cliff, 4 occupants survive
Posted by: Lux Interior
Date: January 04, 2023 07:44AM
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Lemon Drop
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Tiangou
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chopper
Unquestionably a well-made car.

I don't think that's a fair conclusion.

Unquestionably American cars have mandatory safety features.

Unquestionably, people survive situations where we'd expect them to die.

Yes they do. Didn't a Kia or Hyundai go over a cliff last week, fall several hundred feet, and the 2 occupants were fine?

Not a Tesla, so no one cares.
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Re: Tesla plunges 250 feet off rocky ocean cliff, 4 occupants survive
Posted by: Cary
Date: January 04, 2023 08:16AM
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Tiangou
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chopper
Unquestionably a well-made car.

I don't think that's a fair conclusion.

Unquestionably American cars have mandatory safety features.

Unquestionably, people survive situations where we'd expect them to die.

+1
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Re: Tesla plunges 250 feet off rocky ocean cliff, 4 occupants survive
Posted by: mrbigstuff
Date: January 04, 2023 08:20AM
If a car hits in just the "correct" way, like front end perpendicular to the ground, it probably has a chance to save the passengers from being killed. But it's all a matter of luck. A man was killed in a Prius on a local road while turning left here after being t-boned
by a pickup truck.


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Re: Tesla plunges 250 feet off rocky ocean cliff, 4 occupants survive
Posted by: pRICE cUBE
Date: January 04, 2023 08:26AM
The car's build and quality can contribute to passenger safety but also a huge chunk of this is probably dumb luck. People die in crashes involving "safe cars" all the time. People die in Tesla crashes etc. Probably 99 times out of 100 this fall off a cliff would be fatal in any car. I wouldn't go over a cliff an any model car and expect to survive.


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Re: Tesla plunges 250 feet off rocky ocean cliff, 4 occupants survive
Posted by: gadje
Date: January 04, 2023 08:33AM
I saw on TV that the crash was intentional? The man (a doctor?) tried to kill his entire family?

if true, WTF?

[www.cnn.com]



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Re: Tesla plunges 250 feet off rocky ocean cliff, 4 occupants survive
Posted by: pRICE cUBE
Date: January 04, 2023 08:40AM
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gadje
I saw on TV that the crash was intentional? The man (a doctor?) tried to kill his entire family?

if true, WTF?

[www.cnn.com]


Yeah, it appears the guy was trying to get all the car occupants killed.


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Re: Tesla plunges 250 feet off rocky ocean cliff, 4 occupants survive
Posted by: Ken Sp.
Date: January 04, 2023 09:07AM
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Tiangou
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chopper
Unquestionably a well-made car.

I don't think that's a fair conclusion.

Unquestionably American cars have mandatory safety features.

Unquestionably, people survive situations where we'd expect them to die.

The Tesla model Y is the highest rated car for occupant safety.
The insurance institute test is more than just seeing how the car does in a crash, it concentrates on injury to the occupants. This is the most expensive part of any crash, it is why the insurance institute wants to know this information.
It cost more to fix the people inside the car than it does to fix the car.
[www.iihs.org]
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Re: Tesla plunges 250 feet off rocky ocean cliff, 4 occupants survive
Posted by: ztirffritz
Date: January 04, 2023 09:20AM
You could safely say that this is mostly down to luck. Humans are not designed to survive sudden high-G changes. The design of the car is largely irrelevant in this scenario because no car is design with this scenario in mind. What you can accurately say though, is that Teslas are in fact the safest cars ever tested by NHTSA, IIHS, and Euro NCAP.

Tesla Model Y Gets Highest Safety Score Ever in European Test:
[www.forbes.com]

Model Y's reign was short. The Model S bumped it to second place.
Newest Tesla Model S gets highest ever safety score from Euro NCAP:
[thedriven.io]

Tesla Model Y achieves highest possible IIHS safety rating:
[electrek.co]

There are other tests showing the safety of Teslas, but none of that means diddly when the car is driven off of a 250ft cliff.


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Re: Tesla plunges 250 feet off rocky ocean cliff, 4 occupants survive
Posted by: mrbigstuff
Date: January 04, 2023 09:42AM
Those tests on the S are very impressive.

I'm hopeful that EVs will usher in a new era of safety, given that the front and rear of the vehicles can be better designed without the attendant mechanicals.


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Re: Tesla plunges 250 feet off rocky ocean cliff, 4 occupants survive
Posted by: Ken Sp.
Date: January 04, 2023 09:56AM
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ztirffritz
You could safely say that this is mostly down to luck. Humans are not designed to survive sudden high-G changes. The design of the car is largely irrelevant in this scenario because no car is design with this scenario in mind. What you can accurately say though, is that Teslas are in fact the safest cars ever tested by NHTSA, IIHS, and Euro NCAP.

Tesla Model Y Gets Highest Safety Score Ever in European Test:
[www.forbes.com]

Model Y's reign was short. The Model S bumped it to second place.
Newest Tesla Model S gets highest ever safety score from Euro NCAP:
[thedriven.io]

Tesla Model Y achieves highest possible IIHS safety rating:
[electrek.co]

There are other tests showing the safety of Teslas, but none of that means diddly when the car is driven off of a 250ft cliff.

Thanks for those links, it sure makes me feel great that my 2022 Model S Plaid will protect me even better. It is so much more refined than my previous 2016 Model S.
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Re: Tesla plunges 250 feet off rocky ocean cliff, 4 occupants survive
Posted by: gadje
Date: January 04, 2023 09:56AM
And the battery did NOT catch fire. I am curious if an ICE with plenty of gas in the tank would catch fire in an accident like this.
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Re: Tesla plunges 250 feet off rocky ocean cliff, 4 occupants survive
Posted by: pRICE cUBE
Date: January 04, 2023 10:28AM
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gadje
And the battery did NOT catch fire. I am curious if an ICE with plenty of gas in the tank would catch fire in an accident like this.

That would probably depend on factors of random luck as well. Amount of collision force, impact point, angle, tank volume, etc.


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Re: Tesla plunges 250 feet off rocky ocean cliff, 4 occupants survive
Posted by: JoeH
Date: January 04, 2023 11:01AM
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pRICE cUBE
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gadje
And the battery did NOT catch fire. I am curious if an ICE with plenty of gas in the tank would catch fire in an accident like this.

That would probably depend on factors of random luck as well. Amount of collision force, impact point, angle, tank volume, etc.

The reality is that fires from gas fueled vehicles are very uncommon. There are a few vehicles that are exceptions, the infamous Ford Pinto for example. Even that is somewhat overstated in popular memory. The Pinto overall had about the same rate of fires and fatalities due to fires as other cars on the road at the time. It had a slightly greater than average rate when a rear end collision was involved.

But movies and TV shows portray vehicle fires as common, and that is where most people would trace their expectation that it is common.
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Re: Tesla plunges 250 feet off rocky ocean cliff, 4 occupants survive
Posted by: ztirffritz
Date: January 04, 2023 11:09AM
Fires from ICE vehicle crashes are rare. ICE vehicles fires though are not rare. They're about 11x more frequent than EVs though according to NFPA stats. Ask any firefighter, they fight lots of ICE vehicle fires, just not often as a result of a crash.

EVs are obviously still in their infancy though, so as they grow in market share we may see those numbers change.

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pRICE cUBE
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gadje
And the battery did NOT catch fire. I am curious if an ICE with plenty of gas in the tank would catch fire in an accident like this.

That would probably depend on factors of random luck as well. Amount of collision force, impact point, angle, tank volume, etc.

The reality is that fires from gas fueled vehicles are very uncommon. There are a few vehicles that are exceptions, the infamous Ford Pinto for example. Even that is somewhat overstated in popular memory. The Pinto overall had about the same rate of fires and fatalities due to fires as other cars on the road at the time. It had a slightly greater than average rate when a rear end collision was involved.

But movies and TV shows portray vehicle fires as common, and that is where most people would trace their expectation that it is common.


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Re: Tesla plunges 250 feet off rocky ocean cliff, 4 occupants survive
Posted by: August West
Date: January 04, 2023 11:32AM
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The Tesla model Y is the highest rated car for occupant safety.
The insurance institute test is more than just seeing how the car does in a crash, it concentrates on injury to the occupants. This is the most expensive part of any crash, it is why the insurance institute wants to know this information.
It cost more to fix the people inside the car than it does to fix the car.
[www.iihs.org]

Just for clarity, when I went to the link provided, the model Y was listed as a mid-sized luxury suv, with 20 other makes & models in that category listed with the same rating.

Maybe I didn't dig far enough?


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Re: Tesla plunges 250 feet off rocky ocean cliff, 4 occupants survive
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: January 04, 2023 12:16PM
I will be interested to see if the father is convicted of 1st or 2nd degree murder, and is sentenced to LWOP.

The charges could be up to four counts of murder, and two of child endangerment.

If guilty, LWOP (something of a misnomer) seems not only reasonable, but wholly appropriate.





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Re: Tesla plunges 250 feet off rocky ocean cliff, 4 occupants survive
Posted by: dk62
Date: January 04, 2023 12:33PM
I think these ratings are not rankings, so, it would probably more correct to say "received highest rating" rather than "is the highest rated car,"
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Re: Tesla plunges 250 feet off rocky ocean cliff, 4 occupants survive
Posted by: GGD
Date: January 04, 2023 01:05PM
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RAMd®d
I will be interested to see if the father is convicted of 1st or 2nd degree murder, and is sentenced to LWOP.

The charges could be up to four counts of murder, and two of child endangerment.

If guilty, LWOP (something of a misnomer) seems not only reasonable, but wholly appropriate.

Given that everyone survived, wouldn't it be attempted murder? And since he was one of the four, wouldn't that be attempted suicide for himself and three attempted murders?

Or did I miss something and there were deaths involved?



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Re: Tesla plunges 250 feet off rocky ocean cliff, 4 occupants survive
Posted by: vision63
Date: January 04, 2023 01:26PM
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GGD
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RAMd®d
I will be interested to see if the father is convicted of 1st or 2nd degree murder, and is sentenced to LWOP.

The charges could be up to four counts of murder, and two of child endangerment.

If guilty, LWOP (something of a misnomer) seems not only reasonable, but wholly appropriate.

Given that everyone survived, wouldn't it be attempted murder? And since he was one of the four, wouldn't that be attempted suicide for himself and three attempted murders?

Or did I miss something and there were deaths involved?

How do they know he did it on purpose?
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Re: Tesla plunges 250 feet off rocky ocean cliff, 4 occupants survive
Posted by: N-OS X-tasy!
Date: January 04, 2023 01:36PM
It's a shame he wasn't driving this:




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Re: Tesla plunges 250 feet off rocky ocean cliff, 4 occupants survive
Posted by: GGD
Date: January 04, 2023 01:56PM
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GGD
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RAMd®d
I will be interested to see if the father is convicted of 1st or 2nd degree murder, and is sentenced to LWOP.

The charges could be up to four counts of murder, and two of child endangerment.

If guilty, LWOP (something of a misnomer) seems not only reasonable, but wholly appropriate.

Given that everyone survived, wouldn't it be attempted murder? And since he was one of the four, wouldn't that be attempted suicide for himself and three attempted murders?

Or did I miss something and there were deaths involved?

How do they know he did it on purpose?

I haven't seen that reported, but my first guess would be statements from the occupants.
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Re: Tesla plunges 250 feet off rocky ocean cliff, 4 occupants survive
Posted by: gadje
Date: January 04, 2023 02:09PM
last time I read about this, they said the relationship between the driver and the passengers was unknown. Was that his family or someone other family he was trying to kill?
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Re: Tesla plunges 250 feet off rocky ocean cliff, 4 occupants survive
Posted by: hal
Date: January 04, 2023 02:22PM
This happened a few years ago. A minivan full of a big family went over the edge on the same highway that is known for its dangerous cliffs. They all died, but it was determined that it was an intentional act.

[www.npr.org]

A special coroner's jury has determined that the couple who drove themselves and their six adopted children off a Northern California cliff last year did so deliberately.
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Re: Tesla plunges 250 feet off rocky ocean cliff, 4 occupants survive
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: January 04, 2023 03:23PM
……Tesla stock must have bern inside the car too…..


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Re: Tesla plunges 250 feet off rocky ocean cliff, 4 occupants survive
Posted by: graylocks
Date: January 04, 2023 07:20PM
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I haven't seen that reported, but my first guess would be statements from the occupants.

i would image there were no skid marks or any evidence of attempts to brake. I also wonder if there were witnesses that saw the car go over. Seemed like help arrived very quickly. Who called it in? Do Tesla's have crash detection?


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Re: Tesla plunges 250 feet off rocky ocean cliff, 4 occupants survive
Posted by: Ken Sp.
Date: January 04, 2023 11:13PM
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GGD

I haven't seen that reported, but my first guess would be statements from the occupants.

i would image there were no skid marks or any evidence of attempts to brake. I also wonder if there were witnesses that saw the car go over. Seemed like help arrived very quickly. Who called it in? Do Tesla's have crash detection?
I saw a witness report from a car that was driving in front of it, and he sought out the rearview mirror. He said that it just continued to go straight off the cliff, going up in the area where there was some dirt and then over the edge.
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Re: Tesla plunges 250 feet off rocky ocean cliff, 4 occupants survive
Posted by: kj
Date: January 06, 2023 03:22PM
Yeah, I think there would be some evidence that he lost control, and it looks like there was none. In other words, he was in control of the vehicle. If he were completely inattentive, perhaps it would have taken an obviously different path. He may have had to navigate his way to the take off point.
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