So Leopard is delayed for a few more months. I expect to buy Leopard when it
ships, but frankly, having CS3 in my grubby little hands is more important. A couple
of weeks ago, I was thinking I would wait until June and the WWDC to buy the
surely-to-be announced redesigned MacOctoLeoPros pre-installed with Leopard, onto
which I could install my CS3 suite, Lightroom and bathe in the newness and quickness
of it all. But sneaky, unpredictable Apple announces the octizzle-but-otherwise-
unenhanced MacPro, then rains on our parade of Leopardy desires.

I think I'm just going to get me a crappy-ass 2.66 GHz MacPro running crappy-ass
Tiger, run the slow-ass Intel native CS3 suite and Lightroom on it, and wallow in my
disappointment.

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Good post. I have to agree that the release of CS3 is going to spur a lot of much-delayed purchases of MacBook Pros, iMacs, and Mac Pros -- certainly enough to offset the loss of anyone who pays close enough attention to Apple's product release cycles to suspect a new OS is coming soon.

Ahh, but once the dynamic duo are available they will be so fast and wonderful I think you'll find that you will actually be able to travel back in time to complete tasks that were left previously undone by virtue of your currently slow setup.

EDIT: My suspicions have been confirmed, I am writing this on my 8-core MacPro with Leopard, January 2008. Apparently the forum doesn't support the universal time travel dating system yet so it will appear to be only April 13th, 2007. Hey, nobody said the future would be perfect.



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The thing with the leopard update is that I just now feel like I have Tiger tamed and I'm productive with it.

In some weird way, I was a little relieved to hear of the delay. Now i can focus on the CS3 and the iPhone.

Yay me.

3p

Excuses, excuses.

Leopard is delayed, and that's inexcusable. But you're perfectly willing to stick your heads in the sand and excuse it.

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Trying is the first step to failure. -- Homer Simpson

What do you suggest we do elmer?

Gather an angry mod & ransack 1 Infinite Loop?

Sell all out Macs & buy Dells?

Initiate a hostile takeover & reinstall the genius GIl Amelio?

Or do what you do & grumble angrily to yourself like the crazy homeless guy on the corner of 53rd & 3rd who wears his adult diaper on the outside of his pants?

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EDIT: My suspicions have been confirmed, I am writing this on my 8-core MacPro with Leopard, January 2008. Apparently the forum doesn't support the universal time travel dating system yet so it will appear to be only April 13th, 2007. Hey, nobody said the future would be perfect.

Damn! I KNEW Leopard was gonna have some cool secret features...

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I have to agree that the release of CS3 is going to spur a lot of much-delayed purchases of MacBook Pros, iMacs, and Mac Pros

I hope the hardware upgrades don't need to wait for Leopard.

I am waiting for new MacBooks, (and probably MacBook Pros, to keep the jump on the MacBooks). What I'm really hoping for is new 15" MacBooks with the newer 3D integrated graphics.

A Core2Duo Mini would be cool, too... as an HTPC. For this, waiting on Leopard might make sense. I'd be in the market for this post-Leopard if Leopard Front Row has the interface of Apple TV but with full Mac codec capabilities.

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Don't ask who the bell's for, dude. It's you.

Like Lux said.

Elmo, you hate Apple, the Mac and stupid people in groups like this. Why, oh, Why do you keep coming to this forum just to rant? He**, you can't even come up with an original signature. You stole it from a Demotivational poster from site below. I guess this Google search says it all.

Despair, Inc.
Motivational products and posters for pessimists, underachievers, and the chronically unsuccessful.

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I, for one, want more from Apple but expect more from Microsoft than what we get.



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It PAINS me to have to agree with elmo but he is dead on. Some of you need to take a deep look in the fanboy mirror. I think you will find your head is stuck up Jobs' lower oriface. This kind of delay, after Apple reiterated just two months ago that Leopard would ship in the Spring, is inexcusable and an embarassment. Surely Apple knew two months ago if Leopard could be GM by June. A lot of posts on Mac forums didn't think Apple could ship, why didn't Apple know this?

Now some of you say no big. But when M$ announces delays you are fighting for who gets to make the first bash post. Sorry, a delay is a delay. Something isn't right in Leopardland and Apple isn't telling us.

Then Apple puts the fault on the iPhone launch. Huge mistake. If the iPhone isn't the end-all and be-all of cell phones and more than Jobs has already made public everyone of Apple's detractors are going to loudly ask...Apple had to pull extras staff off the Leopard team for THIS? And we all know just one teeny tiny bug or missing feature will set the Apple haters off and the media will pounce.

Finally, for those of us that are Mac fans first, and Apple fans second, for Apple to publically announce they pulled staff off of Mac OS development and onto a CE project isn't very heartening, especially in conjunction with the dropping of "computer" from the Apple name last Jan. It tells me that Apple doesn't really have two divisions: Mac and CE, but rather Apple is migrating from Mac to CE. Dvorak might be on to something.

Aaack! I have now agreed with elmo and Dvorak in the same post.

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EDIT: My suspicions have been confirmed, I am writing this on my 8-core MacPro with Leopard, January 2008. Apparently the forum doesn't support the universal time travel dating system yet so it will appear to be only April 13th, 2007. Hey, nobody said the future would be perfect.

Damn! I KNEW Leopard was gonna have some cool secret features...

Secret? Jobs demo'ed Time Machine months ago!

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Aaack! I have now agreed with elmo and Dvorak in the same post.

Who says they aren't the same person?

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It is what it is.

Now that's LOL!

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EDIT: My suspicions have been confirmed, I am writing this on my 8-core MacPro with Leopard, January 2008. Apparently the forum doesn't support the universal time travel dating system yet so it will appear to be only April 13th, 2007. Hey, nobody said the future would be perfect.

Damn! I KNEW Leopard was gonna have some cool secret features...

Secret? Jobs demo'ed Time Machine months ago!

Really disappointed with the Leopard deal... And this right after they slammed that CNNFN blogger who apologized last month after Apple re-affirmed Leopard would ship late spring.

The last few months just haven't been typical of the Apple Computer, Inc. I thought I knew so well.

Alas - it's Apple Computer no more... It's Apple, Inc - and that's apparently a whole new animal.

We know it won't be Leopard.... but maybe Apple's still got some great stuff we'll be learning about from NAB next week. Fingers are crossed - been too much time with nary an upgrade or speedbump.... maybe the 8-Core MacPro just the edge of the storm. I hope so. Still miffed about MacWorld not having a new or upgraded Macs introduced by Apple.

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Some of you need to take a deep look in the fanboy mirror. I think you will find your head is stuck up Jobs' lower oriface.

Dude, chill out. I'm still running an MDD dual 867 & a PB G4. I'm not a graphics pro. My Macs are my home computers. WTF do I need Leopard for?

You got yer elmos, who say it's inexcusable to delay an OS release, yet offer no suggestions on what we should do about it.

Then you got yer other side who bitch, "What? Another paid upgrade? Apple keeps releasing these 'major' updates just so they can bleed us dry $130 at a time!"

Did we make fun of M$ because Vista was months late, or years late? And why does it matter? We like to make fun of them regardless. We're Mac users. And believe me, plenty of us were plenty pissed in the long, dry "where the F is Copland" and the sub-gigahertz G4 years. Some did abandon the Mac. You can hardly compare that to a few months delay in a 0.1 OS release. If we don't have Leopard this time next year, I still won't give two poops. And I don't give a crap about Vista either, but I can still laugh at the M$ fanboys. If they want to laugh at us because of Leopard, then hey, they can knock themselves out. Don't make me no nevermind.

So take a look in your mirror and... what the hell IS an oriface, anyway?

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It PAINS me to have to agree with elmo but he is dead on. Some of you need to take a deep look in the fanboy mirror.

I agree on principle.
Late is late.
Apple should take as much heat as MS did over the Longhorn/Vista delays.

However, I couldn't care less about OS updates, personally.
Of neither Windows nor Mac OS.
I still prefer Win 2000 to XP, may never touch Vista at all, and and have yet to purchase a standalone Mac OS update. (I do use newer Mac OS's when I get them by buying new machines.)

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So take a look in your mirror and... what the hell IS an oriface, anyway?

Well, it's what you have when your posterior orifice is tranplanted to the frontal cephalic region.

Definitely not something I want to see. In a mirror, or anywhere else.

Thankyouverymuch.

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and bathe in the newness and quickness
of it all.

At least take a shower in the mean time, you're killing us!

BGnR

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What do you suggest we do Gather an angry mod & ransack 1 Infinite Loop?

Which one?
Rgg isn't that mean, kinda nice in fact.
Lafinfil? Tempest in a teapot, more bluster than HeadBuster.
We don't need an angry Mod, we need an angry MOB!!

BGnR

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"If we dig precious things from the land, we will invite disaster."
"Near the day of Purification, there will be cobwebs spun back and forth in the sky."
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We don't need an angry Mod, we need an angry MOB!!

BGnR

Run, I tell ya! RUN!!! We're all DOOOOOOMEDDDDDDDD!!!!!!

There. Now I feel better.

You know, I've heard some troll mutterings (yes, already!) that we're willing to forgive Apple their delays and ridicule MS for THEIR delays.

In a superficial way, that's true. We're Apple advocates, we're in the minority, we DO cut Apple a little slack that we don't (nor should) cut MS.

A few factors the trolls seem to conveniently forget:

1. Apple's delays are usually a matter of a few months. MS's delays are usually the matter of a few years.
2. Apple delayed Leopard to get us the iPhone. What did MS give us to justify the years-long delay of Vista -- the Zune? Puh-LEASE.
3. Apple gave a clear explanation of why and when, helping customers make purchasing decisions (and in this case it's actually something of a breather, since a lot of us are saving up to feed the iPhone and Adobe monsters -- and that's not cheap!). Microsoft simply NEVER does this. When's Office 2007 coming out, trolls? Specifically?
4. We have a reasonable assurance that Leopard will be better for the delay. Vista was delayed by YEARS, and it's still @#$%&. Case closed.

PS. Where's all the ribbing of MS by "Apple fanboys" over the delay of MS Office for Mac, which has been pushed back at least twice and now has NO firm release date? I haven't seen ANY such shellacking in this forum or any other. Just more BS from trolls.

PPS. Another thing all the trolls conveniently forget ALL TOO OFTEN -- Apple's *harshest* critics are often the selfsame "Apple fanboys." I'm reminded specifically the years-long bitching about 3GHz, about how far ahead of us Windows was in using faster RAM, and a hundred other bitch sessions (some of which are still going on). Apple "fanboys" do a hell of a lot better job of keeping Apple's feet to the fire than MS's "fanboys" do. Nuff said.

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Sorry.

I obviously meant rockers, not mods.

What chas_m said.

Seriously. Apple itself has had far more serious delays in releasing operating systems (Copland never saw the light of day, Mac OS X 10.0 was almost two years late at a time when a new OS was desperately needed). I'm as disappointed as anyone else, but the sun isn't going to go nova because Leopard was delayed a few months. Tiger is still a very good OS -- certainly better than Vista. And so what if Apple looks "hypocritical" -- the whole thing will be completely forgotten about in a couple of years.

We all know how long Microsoft has had to delay release of its various OSes over the years. How many Linux distros have missed self-imposed release deadlines at one point or another? I'd imagine most of them have. OS development is a big, complicated, hairy undertaking.

All you people who think this is the end of Apple as a computer company seriously need to get a grip.

Indeed.

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My point was that while Leopard will undoubtedly be a marvelous novelty
to use in some ways, is there really anything it offers that makes it painful
to live without for a few more months? How is this inexcusable, other than
in the mind of people prone to hyperbole anyway?

Like threeprong, I'm pretty used to Tiger at this point, know its capabilities
and defects, and can get my work done in its environment very productively.
Leopard's delay will have no real-world consequences for me, other than
the fact that I was puzzling over the right moment to make a long-overdue
hardware purchase, and the recent news from Apple has made it plain that
there's no point in my waiting anymore. CS3 will arrive very soon, and I make
my living and do my artwork/photography using primarily Adobe software--
using the intel native software on a MacPro will be very satisfactory.
I'll have enough of a learning curve to deal with without having to get familiar
with an upgraded operating system too.

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Or do what you do & grumble angrily to yourself like the crazy homeless guy on the corner of 53rd & 3rd who wears his adult diaper on the outside of his pants?

I'm hanging out in the wrong part of town these days. He wasn't around when I was working n that area.