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Keypad door locks - did someone here decide on a good one?
Posted by: mrbigstuff
Date: February 27, 2023 09:23AM
I recall the discussion not long ago, but now it turns out that I am also in the market for a new door lock. Current lock is a deadbolt with keyed doorknob, and I would like to keep both (if possible).

I'm about to go to my very capable locksmith locally, but I'd also like to know what I'm talking about with him. Thanks for any suggestions.



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Re: Keypad door locks - did someone here decide on a good one?
Posted by: mattkime
Date: February 27, 2023 11:00AM
There are a few good options out there but the choice is usually a bit personal as the features of the particular smart lock can vary.

I've enjoyed using this one - [www.amazon.com]

but I didn't pay the current asking price.



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Re: Keypad door locks - did someone here decide on a good one?
Posted by: Ken Sp.
Date: February 27, 2023 11:26AM
I absolutely love this lock. UltraLoq offers these locks with some or all of the features. I got on the one listed.
This one has:
Regular physical key.The face flips up to insert key.
Backlit Numeric electronic physical buttons for multiple codes. Lets you enter extra numbers before your actual real code, so if someone is peeking over your shoulder, they don’t know the real entry code.
Fingerprint reader
Bluetooth proximity to unlock as your phone gets near
Internet remote unlock from anywhere
Works with Alexa
You can share additional or temporary entry codes, and time restrict.
You can set the lock to automatically lock after a set amount of time.
Very strong hardware.
Very good 4 AA battery life.

[www.amazon.com]



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 02/27/2023 11:30AM by Ken Sp..
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Re: Keypad door locks - did someone here decide on a good one?
Posted by: d4
Date: February 27, 2023 11:30AM
I've used this mechanical deadbolt door lock by Lockey for +10 years. No electronics. No App. No wifi. No battery. 100% mechanical. It has pros and cons. As a secondary lock (third lock in your case) it serves its purpose well keeping honest people, honest.





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Re: Keypad door locks - did someone here decide on a good one?
Posted by: Gareth
Date: February 27, 2023 11:42AM
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mrbigstuff
Current lock is a deadbolt with keyed doorknob, and I would like to keep both (if possible).

You want to keep them, as in you want to keep the setup of having a deadbolt and a keyed doorknob? Or you want to keep the actual locks you have and use an "add-on" device?

Also, are you tied to a particular key brand? (i.e. do you have other locks on other doors and you want the physical keys to match?).

Do you lock the doorknob also? Depending on the features you want, it can be hard to find matching keypad deadbolts and doorknobs. Also, keypad doorknobs are usually taller and might interfere with the deadbolt placement. I think the typical use for keypad doorknobs is on doors that only have a doorknob. It seems pointless to me to have a keypad deadbolt with a keyed doorknob - greater risk that you'd get locked out if someone locks the doorknob. So, I would consider replacing the doorknob with a non-key version if you replace the deadbolt.

Do you want smart features for the locks? (i.e. so you can remotely lock/unlock, see the lock status, set codes via an app, etc)



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/27/2023 11:43AM by Gareth.
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Re: Keypad door locks - did someone here decide on a good one?
Posted by: Ombligo
Date: February 27, 2023 01:27PM
I've used a schlage for years, no wifi, just punch in the number.

One bit of keypad security advice - change the 4-digit passcode at least once a year using completely different numbers, don't repeat. Using the same numbers will make it visibly obvious what your numbers are due to wear. Then instead of having 10,000 possible combos, you only have 24.



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Re: Keypad door locks - did someone here decide on a good one?
Posted by: Gareth
Date: February 27, 2023 01:33PM
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Ombligo
One bit of keypad security advice - change the 4-digit passcode at least once a year using completely different numbers, don't repeat. Using the same numbers will make it visibly obvious what your numbers are due to wear. Then instead of having 10,000 possible combos, you only have 24.

Yup, I've got 4 keys that are obviously the ones used, but at least we use a 5 digit code, so that'll probably confuse 'em! (4, 5, or 6 digit combos are options on some locks).

On a new lock, I set different codes for different people to use different numbers. Some locks also have a "random unlock" feature. I.e. on our new Kwikset, you have to press the 2 random numbers that show up to "unlock" the keypad before entering your code. I didn't like the feature though, so I disabled it and just went with the different codes with different numbers approach.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/27/2023 01:35PM by Gareth.
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Re: Keypad door locks - did someone here decide on a good one?
Posted by: mrbigstuff
Date: February 27, 2023 02:58PM
I'm hoping to keep 2 locks that I have ( no 3rd lock). I'll research suggestions, thanks!



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Re: Keypad door locks - did someone here decide on a good one?
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: February 27, 2023 05:22PM
Current lock is a deadbolt with keyed doorknob, and I would like to keep both (if possible).


Yeah, no, not possible with most keypad locks.

One exception is the Level Lock, which uses one's existing, discrete deadbolt and has an optional keypad.

This is an amazing lock, replacing only the door strike mechanism.

Another possibility is the August lock, but I don't know if it has a keypad, and it's a bit ungainly.

Both are pricey.






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Oh, and...
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: February 27, 2023 05:49PM
It is a personal preference, but I'm not a fan of a keypad for a BT/WiFi lock.

It advertises that one has such a lock, and being only slightly paranoid, but mainly erring on the side of caution, it is possible that it could and might be hacked once the nature of the lock is known.

Now I'm generally a lone voice decrying exotic scenarios contrived by many how something may be deficient or defeated under unusual circumstances.

Most any deadbolt can be defeated by a good 'mule kick', easily accomplished, so proper installation is paramount, and even then...

A rim latch, properly installed, is a much better option but outside of the scope of the OP's request.

So to add a keypad means either a mechanical 'digital' lock, or one of the wireless variety.

In the case of the latter, convenience and UI need to be considered, so once an option seems viable, check out the UI first.

In the case of the former, that's basically a deadbolt only, used in addition with an existing/other lockset and deadbolt.

For a very long time, a Simplex mechanical deadbolt adorned one of my interior doors.

It was similar in construction to the Digital above, with 10 buttons and a 4-digit code, and a push button bar to open.

With such a lock, I'd want a 5-6 digit code, especially if the door isn't in a readily visible area with good neighbors.

I had a lot of luck, but on a bet I opened the same Simplex lock on a friend's door, after easily discerning which four keys were the ones in the combo.

Adding a second deadbolt like the Digital would be a keypad with extra security, though not particularly fashionable.

I don't know how suited they are for exterior use, but they may be serviceable.






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All you can do, is all you can do.

There’s trouble — it's time to play the sound of my people.

Your boos mean nothing to me, I've seen what you cheer for.

Insisting on your rights without acknowledging your responsibilities isn’t freedom, it’s adolescence.

I've been to the edge of the map, and there be monsters.

We are a government of laws, not men.

Everybody counts or nobody counts.

When a good man is hurt,
all who would be called good
must suffer with him.

You and I have memories longer than the road that stretches out ahead.

There is no safety for honest men except
by believing all possible evil of evil men.

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And hope is a lousy defense.

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Re: Keypad door locks - did someone here decide on a good one?
Posted by: datbeme
Date: February 27, 2023 07:03PM
Yep. Personal preference. I originally felt the same way about broadcasting that you have a smart lock, but then I came to accept that getting hacked is less likely than someone breaking in with brute force or coming in through a window. I actually still don't have one on my front door (probably for aesthetic reasons), so if they see the one on the back door, they are already where they aren't supposed to be.

Don't forget advantages such as not having loaner keys floating around, the ability to assign and rescind unique codes to different individuals, and the ability to view a log or receive notifications of who unlocked the door and when.

We've only had this one a few months, and we've barely used the smart features, but it's been great.

[www.schlage.com]
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Re: Keypad door locks - did someone here decide on a good one?
Posted by: Bill in NC
Date: February 28, 2023 07:30AM
Door frames must be reinforced by some type of 'door jamb armor' to protect against a simple kick-in attack.

Most residential frames are softwood so the deadbolt just tears through the jamb with the above.

Even if you install longer screws.

Applying the armor usually involves removing any molding and installing metal reinforcement that runs from the top of the jamb to the bottom.

It's also much quieter to kick in a door than to break a window so the former is preferred by anyone seeking to gain entrance to a home.
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Re: Keypad door locks - did someone here decide on a good one?
Posted by: Gareth
Date: February 28, 2023 11:25AM
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Don't forget advantages such as not having loaner keys floating around, the ability to assign and rescind unique codes to different individuals, and the ability to view a log or receive notifications of who unlocked the door and when.

Notifications (and internet access) were really helpful for us recently. We had a pet sitter who kept forgetting to lock the door on her way out! So, we knew when we got the unlock notification, to check back in 50 minutes to see if she'd left (via Ring cam) and then we'd lock the door remotely.

(Yes, it would have made more "sense" to just remind the pet sitter to lock the door, but we'd already had so many issues with this one just trying to get the pets fed correctly, that locking the door ourselves just became easier.)
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Re: Keypad door locks - did someone here decide on a good one?
Posted by: mattkime
Date: February 28, 2023 01:22PM
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Gareth
Notifications (and internet access) were really helpful for us recently. We had a pet sitter who kept forgetting to lock the door on her way out! So, we knew when we got the unlock notification, to check back in 50 minutes to see if she'd left (via Ring cam) and then we'd lock the door remotely.

I have mine set to automatically lock after a few minutes. I might temporarily disable that if I'm going in and out a whole bunch.



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