[www.reuters.com]

LONDON/DETROIT, March 20 (Reuters) - For many electric vehicles, there is no way to repair or assess even slightly damaged battery packs after accidents, forcing insurance companies to write off cars with few miles - leading to higher premiums and undercutting gains from going electric.

And now those battery packs are piling up in scrapyards in some countries, a previously unreported and expensive gap in what was supposed to be a "circular economy."

"We're buying electric cars for sustainability reasons," said Matthew Avery, research director at automotive risk intelligence company Thatcham Research. "But an EV isn't very sustainable if you've got to throw the battery away after a minor collision."

Battery packs can cost tens of thousands of dollars and represent up to 50% of an EV's price tag, often making it uneconomical to replace them.

While some automakers like Ford Motor Co (F.N) and General Motors Co (GM.N) said they have made battery packs easier to repair, Tesla Inc (TSLA.O) has taken the opposite tack with its Texas-built Model Y, whose new structural battery pack has been described by experts as having "zero repairability."

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Can't you just replace the scratched cells?

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Can't you just replace the scratched cells?

Only if you have access to the diagnostic data which companies don’t allow.

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Can't you just replace the scratched cells?

Only if you have access to the diagnostic data which companies don’t allow.

Well, there's a place where our bureaucracy might focus.

It's ok, we've been told that GM and Ford won't exist in a few years any way.

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It's ok, we've been told that GM and Ford won't exist in a few years any way.

Well, there's a place where our bureaucracy might focus.


That will be a slow turning wheel.

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We are a government of laws, not men.

Everybody counts or nobody counts.

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Only if you have access to the diagnostic data which companies don’t allow.

Well, there's a place where our bureaucracy might focus.

MA is trying, but so far it's just resulted in automakers selling cars without certain features instead (in MA).



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There are solutions to recycling the batteries but they’re all in their infancy still.

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JB Straubel, co-founder of Tesla started Redwood Materials to recycle batteries. Since most car batteries last for at least a decade, are sold and used for other projects like home energy battery storage. Redwood, is not seeing many batteries yet.
They have a unique process that recovers 95% of the elements of the battery.
When batteries are expended, the elemental components are never depleted. The battery can be broken down and elements are like new. Redwood becomes the new "mine" for new battery manufacturing.

[www.redwoodmaterials.com]

"Lauterwasser noted EV battery production emits far more CO2 than fossil-fuel models, meaning EVs must be driven for thousands of miles before they offset those extra emissions.

"If you throw away the vehicle at an early stage, you've lost pretty much all advantage in terms of CO2 emissions," he said."

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"Lauterwasser noted EV battery production emits far more CO2 than fossil-fuel models, meaning EVs must be driven for thousands of miles before they offset those extra emissions.

"If you throw away the vehicle at an early stage, you've lost pretty much all advantage in terms of CO2 emissions," he said."

Not surprised. Look at the environmental impact to mining the key metals used in the batteries.

N4n, who the heck is Lauterwasser?
not that I don't belive it but is there math to support that statement?

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FUD

[en.wikipedia.org]

Oil companies see the writing on the wall:

[www.pcmag.com]

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Can't you just replace the scratched cells?

Only if you have access to the diagnostic data which companies don’t allow.

There's a guy in Texas whose figured out how to repair cells and fixing Volts for $2500. He's on the Facebook Volt group and a couple of folks have used him.

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‘ 25 MWh of ex-car batteries go on the grid in California ‘

[arstechnica.com]

meaning EVs must be driven for thousands of miles

My 6 month old EV has 5000 miles on it already.

"If you throw away the vehicle at an early stage, you've lost pretty much all advantage in terms of CO2 emissions," he said."

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meaning EVs must be driven for thousands of miles

My 6 month old EV has 5000 miles on it already.

Then you’ve gone beyond the ‘early stage’.

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found him

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maybe EVs will be run off them man eating shrooms (Ophiocordyceps unilateralis - Ozzys new band name) in the Wurst of Must.

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My buddy works in collision at Tesla. He's been out of work for a while with Sciatica but he has been saying for a long time that if you crash a Tesla try *very very hard* to total it.

Even if EV's are as bad, which I don't think they are, show me another car for less than 40k that does 0-60 in less than 4secs, and I'll admit I should have considered it. The way I look at it, the batteries are the toxic byproduct, but at least you physically have it to dispose of or recycle. The garbage that comes out of tailpipes is gone. You have no choice of how to dispose of it. Everyone gets to deal with it. I worry it will be cheaper to mine new materials etc. rather than recycle, which I think has happened in lots of other industries.

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E The way I look at it, the batteries are the toxic byproduct, but at least you physically have it to dispose of or recycle. The garbage that comes out of tailpipes is gone.

I have the same philosophy in regards to nuclear waste vs. release of combustion products to the atmosphere.

Gotta a mine new materials for every tank to keep your ICE running.