Players begin to celebrate what they perceive is a win and the opponent keeps running the bases. Looks like the catcher didn't comprehend the 2 out strike 3 dropped ball rule.

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I have no idea what the rules are for that kind of stuff. I was scratching my head while watching the video wondering what was happening.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/28/2023 05:38PM by AllGold.

Same rule in MLB. unless bases are loaded .

The second baseman realized what was happening and was trying to redirect attention from those already celebrating. The second baseman then came forward in front of the mound apparently looking for the baseball to try and tag runners, which (in case you missed it) the catcher had stuffed the baseball into his back pocket when he went out to prematurely celebrate with his team...



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I have no idea what the rules are for that kind of stuff. I was scratching my head while watching the video wondering what was happening.

Catcher dropped the ball on what would have been a strike if he'd caught it cleanly.

A dropped ball on what would have been the third strike makes the batter into a runner when there's nobody on first or when there there are already two outs.

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I was 100% into little league pre high school and I can assure you that every single kid knew all about the dropped ball on strike 3 rule - especially catchers.

It looked to me like the catcher picked up the dropped ball, tagged the batter, turned to the ump to verify the out call, then went on to celebrate.

The catcher pointed to 1st as if to ask, do I have to throw it or did you just call him out - maybe the ump shook his head to indicate no, but the catcher took that to mean, no, you don't have to throw to 1st. The ump showed the 'safe' sign after the catcher turned and ran to the mound.

sad, sad play - I bet the catcher was mad as a hornet thinking that he was deceived somehow.

There's no way that the catcher forgot about the dropped strike 3 rule, but he surely misunderstood the umpire and it's all on him anyway. You gotta be 100% sure - most players would have thrown to 1st anyway just on reflex even if they thought they got the tag.

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I have no idea what the rules are for that kind of stuff. I was scratching my head while watching the video wondering what was happening.

My understanding as a fan of the game, I didn't play little league or high school ball. My knowledge comes from watching and photographing it in my former news job.



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The rule depends on how many outs there are. In this case, there were 2 outs.

Even though there was a man on first, the dropped strike 3 ball needed to be picked up and tag the batter (now runner) or thrown to first base for the 3rd out.

The catcher attempts to tag the runner but the umpire says safe.

The catcher appears to disregard this, pocket the ball and run to the pitcher to celebrate.

The runner already on first, delayed his run until the catcher and pitcher are celebrating on the ground.

1st base runner then leaves first base and runs the rest of the bases followed by the batter/runner that didn't get tagged by the catcher.

Because no one celebrating came in physical contact with the runners, they were allowed to continue the play and score.

The 2nd baseman and the center fielder try continue the play. I believe the center fielder runs to cover home plate so the ball can be thrown to him if the 2nd baseman finds it.

The 2nd baseman couldn't find it because the catcher put the ball in his pocket.

It also doesn't help that both teams were wearing red jerseys.

The premature celebration team should have focused on what the ump said.

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If I were shooting this game I would have kept taking pics but would have been throughly confused.

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… The catcher pointed to 1st as if to ask, do I have to throw it or did you just call him out - maybe the ump shook his head to indicate no, but the catcher took that to mean, no, you don't have to throw to 1st. The ump showed the 'safe' sign after the catcher turned and ran to the mound.

sad, sad play - I bet the catcher was mad as a hornet thinking that he was deceived somehow.

There's no way that the catcher forgot about the dropped strike 3 rule, but he surely misunderstood the umpire and it's all on him anyway. You gotta be 100% sure - most players would have thrown to 1st anyway just on reflex even if they thought they got the tag.

Went back for a looksee. The catcher was looking square at the ump when the ump signaled the runner was safe. But I’d easily believe that the catcher was so amped, in the heat of the moment he saw what he wanted to see or it just didn’t register.

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that's interesting - I looked hard at that video, but I never froze the frame and I missed that split second where the head was turned while the safe signal was given. Watching the video again, I was about to say that you were wrong, until I saw the freeze frame.

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… The catcher pointed to 1st as if to ask, do I have to throw it or did you just call him out - maybe the ump shook his head to indicate no, but the catcher took that to mean, no, you don't have to throw to 1st. The ump showed the 'safe' sign after the catcher turned and ran to the mound.

sad, sad play - I bet the catcher was mad as a hornet thinking that he was deceived somehow.

There's no way that the catcher forgot about the dropped strike 3 rule, but he surely misunderstood the umpire and it's all on him anyway. You gotta be 100% sure - most players would have thrown to 1st anyway just on reflex even if they thought they got the tag.

Went back for a looksee. The catcher was looking square at the ump when the ump signaled the runner was safe. But I’d easily believe that the catcher was so amped, in the heat of the moment he saw what he wanted to see or it just didn’t register.

It’s fascinating seeing someone living through a moment you know is going to be etched in their memory for the rest of their days.

My guess is that the catcher saw an existing runner on first and assumed there would be a force out. No need to throw it or so he thought. Maybe the catcher assumed he applied the tag on the runner? I think they teach catchers to throw the ball to the base in question just to be sure. My dude put the ball in his pocket. That 2nd baseman is going to go through life with trust issues.

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I can't tell for sure but it looked like the catcher tagged out the runner. Maybe the ump blew that call? (I'm still just as ignorant as ever about baseball rules.)

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I can't tell for sure but it looked like the catcher tagged out the runner. Maybe the ump blew that call? (I'm still just as ignorant as ever about baseball rules.)

The more I watch the attempt, the more I think it was only lunge in the direction of the runner. The catcher looks to the ump for the call and ump says safe. I believe the catcher is supposed to throw to first to make sure there is an out. Seems like the catcher assumed there would be a force out and celebrates.

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Everyone seems to be missing the fact that even tho the catcher may have failed to make the tag on the dropped 3rd strike (or at least missed the ump signalling the batter/runner was safe, and even tho the catcher should have thrown to first as a backup to the failed drop 3rd strike tag, while the catcher is running towards the mound to embrace the pitcher he could have EASILY thrown the ball to 2nd for the forceout there. Just bad play by this catcher all around.

Nevermind, the existing base runner was already at 2nd... so there was NO force out at first had the on base runner not advanced, nor could the catcher have thrown to 2nd base for an out...

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