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How to (mechanically) keep mom, 92, from driving
Posted by: Dennis S
Date: June 22, 2023 04:27PM
It’s a 1998 Camry. She had quit for 10 years and all of a sudden she thinks she can drive to town. I’m not talking about the ins and outs of her driving - I’m talking about rigging the car so it won’t run for her. She has a key hidden that she can use. I want to know with a car of that vintage if you can unhook the battery or something like that.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/22/2023 04:29PM by Dennis S.
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Re: How to (mechanically) keep mom, 92, from driving
Posted by: DeusxMac
Date: June 22, 2023 04:35PM
Pull the spark plug wires?

Used to be just remove the distributor cap, but I don't believe this car has one.
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Re: How to (mechanically) keep mom, 92, from driving
Posted by: C(-)ris
Date: June 22, 2023 04:35PM
Pull the fuse for the fuel pump.



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Re: How to (mechanically) keep mom, 92, from driving
Posted by: raz
Date: June 22, 2023 04:35PM
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Re: How to (mechanically) keep mom, 92, from driving
Posted by: vision63
Date: June 22, 2023 04:40PM
That's cool man. Moms! cool smiley
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Re: How to (mechanically) keep mom, 92, from driving
Posted by: steve...
Date: June 22, 2023 04:49PM
Remove the rotor from the distributor?





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Re: How to (mechanically) keep mom, 92, from driving
Posted by: Speedy
Date: June 22, 2023 05:05PM
Pull the cable off the + terminal on the battery.



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Re: How to (mechanically) keep mom, 92, from driving
Posted by: btfc
Date: June 22, 2023 05:07PM
Battery cutoff switch.
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Re: How to (mechanically) keep mom, 92, from driving
Posted by: Smote
Date: June 22, 2023 05:12PM
The Club.
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Re: How to (mechanically) keep mom, 92, from driving
Posted by: Dennis S
Date: June 22, 2023 05:22PM
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Speedy
Pull the cable off the + terminal on the battery.

Does that mess up the computers?
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Re: How to (mechanically) keep mom, 92, from driving
Posted by: MindMeld
Date: June 22, 2023 05:22PM
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btfc
Battery cutoff switch.

This.
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Re: How to (mechanically) keep mom, 92, from driving
Posted by: Filliam H. Muffman
Date: June 22, 2023 05:44PM
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Dennis S
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Speedy
Pull the cable off the + terminal on the battery.
Does that mess up the computers?

I would research this before doing it. My Acura OEM radio needs a code entered before it will work.

I would put the cutoff switch on the starter, or on the power lead to the ignition switch (if there isn't a convenient fuse to pull).



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Re: How to (mechanically) keep mom, 92, from driving
Posted by: Smote
Date: June 22, 2023 06:03PM
seriously, the club knock-off, on eBay, $18.88 no changes to the vehicle at all, 5 seconds to put it on. [www.ebay.com]
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Re: How to (mechanically) keep mom, 92, from driving
Posted by: rgG
Date: June 22, 2023 06:10PM
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Smote
The Club.

That was my thought, too.
That way you won’t mess the car up when someone else needs to drive it.





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Re: How to (mechanically) keep mom, 92, from driving
Posted by: cyclemax
Date: June 22, 2023 06:24PM
You could pull the 5 amp Starter fuse In the passenger compartment fuse panel.
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Re: How to (mechanically) keep mom, 92, from driving
Posted by: Speedy
Date: June 22, 2023 06:40PM
Oh, that kind of club. I was becoming afraid for Dennis S’ mother.

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Smote
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Re: How to (mechanically) keep mom, 92, from driving
Posted by: Ombligo
Date: June 22, 2023 06:43PM
You will want to disable the car from starting, not just put a steering lock on it.
Just pull the fuel pump fuse.

But why not just remove the car? Drive it away, let her howl. You could be saving lives, and not just your mothers. She'll get over it.



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Re: How to (mechanically) keep mom, 92, from driving
Posted by: GGD
Date: June 22, 2023 07:16PM
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C(-)ris
Pull the fuse for the fuel pump.

One problem with pulling the fuel pump fuse is that it might actually start but not run very long, and it will also crank, just like if spark plug wires are pulled. And since it will crank, she'll keep trying until the battery runs down.

So, if something is going to be pulled rather that modifications like a kill switch, a good choice for this car is to pull the Starter Relay.

I happen to have a 1998 Camry at my disposal to test this out, it's located in a fuse box under the hood between the battery and the fender. It's a real pain to remove, there's a tab that needs to be released with a screw driver and it takes a lot of wiggling to budge it from being there for 25 years, but it does come out.

Once the relay is out, turning the key will light up all the dash lights as normal, but trying to start will do nothing, no cranking, so she'll likely give up.

And after putting the relay back in, it started up just fine like normal, no ill effects.

Here's what it looks like when it's removed, in my car the starter relay is blue, an it's the leftmost position in the upper row. You can see the tab that needs to be released on the left post of the relay socket.

BTW: That white plastic thing between the Green and Black relays is a fuse puller, nice touch to be included. It might also work to release the relay locking tab, but I used a small screwdriver.

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Re: How to (mechanically) keep mom, 92, from driving
Posted by: nwyaker
Date: June 22, 2023 07:31PM
Ask Mom not to drive



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/22/2023 07:35PM by nwyaker.
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Re: How to (mechanically) keep mom, 92, from driving
Posted by: flareslow
Date: June 22, 2023 07:55PM
Hire Morgan Freeman to drive her around.
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Re: How to (mechanically) keep mom, 92, from driving
Posted by: davemchine
Date: June 22, 2023 08:04PM
My grandmother is 92 and I believe her kids removed the battery from her car. She was driving ok but got lost a lot.



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Re: How to (mechanically) keep mom, 92, from driving
Posted by: D-Rod
Date: June 22, 2023 08:12PM
Sell the car



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Re: How to (mechanically) keep mom, 92, from driving
Posted by: Bill in NC
Date: June 22, 2023 08:32PM
what GGD said..."sorry, mom, car no worky."
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Re: How to (mechanically) keep mom, 92, from driving
Posted by: GGD
Date: June 22, 2023 09:16PM
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cyclemax
You could pull the 5 amp Starter fuse In the passenger compartment fuse panel.

That might be easier to get at and remove than the relay, I'll have to try it to see how it behaves.

Here's a video that shows where these are located.

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Re: How to (mechanically) keep mom, 92, from driving
Posted by: Rolando
Date: June 22, 2023 09:24PM
Fuel pump cutoff switch



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Re: How to (mechanically) keep mom, 92, from driving
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: June 22, 2023 09:51PM
.....Dick Van Dykes (97).....still drives.....he crashes but he still drives......



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Re: How to (mechanically) keep mom, 92, from driving
Posted by: JPK
Date: June 22, 2023 09:51PM
Pull starter relay or disconnect battery. Both very easy and quick to restore.

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Re: How to (mechanically) keep mom, 92, from driving
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: June 22, 2023 09:55PM
....I say sell the car or remove from her property (because having it there is temptation).....if you or someone in the family needs it, then keep elsewhere but selling it is preferred....



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Re: How to (mechanically) keep mom, 92, from driving
Posted by: mattkime
Date: June 22, 2023 09:56PM
Remove the steering wheel and keep it in the trunk.



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Re: How to (mechanically) keep mom, 92, from driving
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: June 22, 2023 10:10PM
Mom had a terrible driving record. Like, forever.

But she started getting lost and had a couple of accidents in short order. My sisters took all her car keys, and locked them away. Then took her in for a medical evaluation, and her doctor told her she was not able to drive. Mom then signed the car away (to me as it happened).

She needs to hear from a professional that she should not drive, and find a home for the car. Grandkids, donate, etc. something that will make her happy.
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Re: How to (mechanically) keep mom, 92, from driving
Posted by: Diana
Date: June 22, 2023 11:40PM
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Mom had a terrible driving record. Like, forever.

But she started getting lost and had a couple of accidents in short order. My sisters took all her car keys, and locked them away. Then took her in for a medical evaluation, and her doctor told her she was not able to drive. Mom then signed the car away (to me as it happened).

She needs to hear from a professional that she should not drive, and find a home for the car. Grandkids, donate, etc. something that will make her happy.

Seconded.

Hopefully she will actually listen to the doctor, and not say that she doesn't like him/her and try to find another one that will acquiesce to her wants. We had to take the car from Mom; her doctor at that time strongly *hinted* (cough, cough, said no, really, you shouldn't drive) that she give the car up. Mom didn't say anything and so, after about a year or so of her getting progressively more "lost", it was left to us kids to take matters into our hands. Thankfully, there were no accidents. Since I hold the power of attorney (and my siblings are listed on it as well) and I have been present for the doctor's appointments where the doctor said for mom to give up the car (I'm her memory!), if there had been an accident and someone was (God forbid) killed, there was real concern that us kids could easily have been pulled into any resultant legal actions.

Now its "my freedom!" and "my independence!" because the car is gone; she scared too many people before the car made its way to it's current owner. She curses the day she listened to my brother about that blasted car. And a medical evaluation? It was stated as a neuropsychological evaluation, which when translated into mom-speak became "just another nail in the coffin of me being committed to the nuthouse!" and she adamantly refused. Even if it would have allowed for a medical evaluation for Alzheimer's and/or other cognitive issues.

The joys of attending an aging parent.

Hopefully your mom will be more amenable to the losing the car.

Edit: Forgot to say: pull a fuse or something that makes the car "dead." If the battery gets checked, and it's good but the car still won't start then it needs a "mechanic" to fix it. These days, a fix to a car can take a long time especially if the problem is a phantom issue. Given enough time, ask her about selling it because it doesn't appear to be "fixable," at least for her. Yeah, the problem was that it sat unused for 10 years... don't know what the problem is... that kind of thing. Buying a used car is still expensive, and not all markets have an abundance of them.



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Re: How to (mechanically) keep mom, 92, from driving
Posted by: Forrest
Date: June 23, 2023 12:42AM
Pulling the fuse seems the quickest solution.

At the same time, you may want to sign your Mom with a ride share service so she can go where she wants.
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Re: How to (mechanically) keep mom, 92, from driving
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: June 23, 2023 02:50AM
Not knowing the whole backstory of Dennis' mom, I'll assume he what's her to 'have' the car but not let her drive off.


Pull starter relay or disconnect battery. Both very easy and quick to restore.


This.

This seems the most convenient, benign way of incapacitating the car while troubling mom the least.

What are the chances she'd call AAA or worse, get a mechanic to check the car?

Should the deception be discovered and revealed to Mom, there could be trouble.

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Re: How to (mechanically) keep mom, 92, from driving
Posted by: Bill in NC
Date: June 23, 2023 12:01PM
what I did with my mom after mysterious dents started appearing on the fenders was to use a program at the local hospital.

that program was setup to get people with physical injuries back behind the wheel.

but I used it for a professional evaluation of her driving.

so with medical personnel saying she could no longer safely drive I didn't get pushback for taking the car.



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Re: How to (mechanically) keep mom, 92, from driving
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: June 23, 2023 12:19PM
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Hire Morgan Freeman to drive her around.
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Re: How to (mechanically) keep mom, 92, from driving
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Date: June 23, 2023 03:54PM

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Re: How to (mechanically) keep mom, 92, from driving
Posted by: GeneH
Date: June 24, 2023 01:02AM
Remove the power steering pump belt. Even if she somehow gets past some of the other disabling tricks,

driving without power assist is beyond most mortals' willingness and capacity to maneuver without it in

big city traffic!
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