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Another agricultural question - moving water from rain barrels
Posted by: RecipeForDisaster
Date: September 29, 2023 07:41AM
I have 3 networked 55 gallon rain barrels catching gutter rain, with a spigot to a garden hose. They are elevated around 18” off the ground. I want the water to fill a ground level rain barrel in the greenhouse about 30' away - I don’t think the gravity is going to do it. My dad says there’s a $20 siphon pump I can get to move the water easily… I cannot find one that goes to 5/8” or 3/4” hose threads. They are either for aquariums or gasoline (no threads at all). Is there an easy way to get this going? I would love to avoid electricity, as there is no outlet where the networked barrels are, and it’s outside. I don’t want to use mouth suction every time - the water is yucky. I’m sure there is some easy answer, but I can’t find it (nor can my usual pump store genius). I have a cast iron utility pump, requiring priming, that is a PITA to get, and keep, going.

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Re: Another agricultural question - moving water from rain barrels
Posted by: btfc
Date: September 29, 2023 07:46AM
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Re: Another agricultural question - moving water from rain barrels
Posted by: RecipeForDisaster
Date: September 29, 2023 07:49AM
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Very interesting, thanks! I never saw one of those before.
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Re: Another agricultural question - moving water from rain barrels
Posted by: TheTominator
Date: September 29, 2023 08:01AM
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I don’t think the gravity is going to do it.

First find out what gravity will do.
Confirm it won't do it before investing in anything more complicated and less robust.

If gravity will only fill the barrel in the greenhouse up to 50%, consider using two barrels there or a wider, lower receptacle.

Considering the whole picture, if the gutters collect water well above the height of the greenhouse barrel, you have plenty of gravity to work with.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 09/29/2023 08:07AM by TheTominator.
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Re: Another agricultural question - moving water from rain barrels
Posted by: Ombligo
Date: September 29, 2023 08:18AM
Would a simple sump pump with a float valve do the job?

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Re: Another agricultural question - moving water from rain barrels
Posted by: RecipeForDisaster
Date: September 29, 2023 08:19AM
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RecipeForDisaster
I don’t think the gravity is going to do it.

First find out what gravity will do.
Confirm it won't do it before investing in anything more complicated and less robust.

If gravity will only fill the barrel in the greenhouse up to 50%, consider using two barrels there or a wider, lower receptacle.

Considering the whole picture, if the gutters collect water well above the height of the greenhouse barrel, you have plenty of gravity to work with.

The natural height of the barrels is the same (they are identical 55 gallon barrels). I have thought about burying the indoor one partway. The spigot is low on the barrel, so I think the water is going uphill to reach the fill spot on the indoor barrel. I will try (it’s dumb, the end of the hose is crushed so I can’t extend the hose long enough to try until I put a repair hose end on it).
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Re: Another agricultural question - moving water from rain barrels
Posted by: d4
Date: September 29, 2023 08:26AM
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RecipeForDisaster
I don’t think the gravity is going to do it.

Confirm this before ruling it out. 5 mins of your time to fill the rain barrel and get a definitive assessment of the situation.



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Re: Another agricultural question - moving water from rain barrels
Posted by: RecipeForDisaster
Date: September 29, 2023 08:27AM
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I don’t think the gravity is going to do it.

Confirm this before ruling it out. 5 mins of your time to fill the rain barrel and get a definitive assessment of the situation.

Yeah. I’m doubtful but it’s worth a try.

I don’t want a sump pump because of lack of electricity in the area. It seems simple enough that I would be able to do it cheaper and without extension cords outdoors…
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Re: Another agricultural question - moving water from rain barrels
Posted by: Diana
Date: September 29, 2023 09:34AM
Cordless battery option: Home Depot. Limited time offer, it appears.
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Re: Another agricultural question - moving water from rain barrels
Posted by: Filliam H. Muffman
Date: September 29, 2023 12:41PM

My local Hazard Fraught has one for $15. My dad bought a similar one ~ 30 years ago. It died after trying to pump hot oil during an attempted oil change. Part of the problem was driving it with a single speed 120 V drill.

If gravity will work, try making a version of the 'auto start siphon' with 1" PVC.
https: //youtu.be/4SEv_GxAo70?t=96



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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/29/2023 12:44PM by Filliam H. Muffman.
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Re: Another agricultural question - moving water from rain barrels
Posted by: RecipeForDisaster
Date: September 29, 2023 01:44PM
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Filliam H. Muffman

My local Hazard Fraught has one for $15. My dad bought a similar one ~ 30 years ago. It died after trying to pump hot oil during an attempted oil change. Part of the problem was driving it with a single speed 120 V drill.

If gravity will work, try making a version of the 'auto start siphon' with 1" PVC.
https: //youtu.be/4SEv_GxAo70?t=96
That auto start thing is pretty neat!
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Re: Another agricultural question - moving water from rain barrels
Posted by: Grateful11
Date: September 29, 2023 08:49PM
We use a cheap 115V transfer pump to transfer liquid nitrogen fertilizer from an IBC tote to a ag sprayer on a tractor. Going to get a little faster one when this one fails.

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Re: Another agricultural question - moving water from rain barrels
Posted by: RecipeForDisaster
Date: September 30, 2023 06:03AM
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Grateful11
We use a cheap 115V transfer pump to transfer liquid nitrogen fertilizer from an IBC tote to a ag sprayer on a tractor. Going to get a little faster one when this one fails.

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We have an electric pump - since I don’t need the water moved quickly, we are looking for, ideally, a non-powered option.
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