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some EV reading
Posted by: Fritz
Date: November 05, 2023 01:10PM
5 Best EVs on the Market Right Now



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Re: some EV reading
Posted by: jdc
Date: November 05, 2023 01:45PM
without looking -- im gonna guess the 5 best are the 5 best selling

So -- 3, Y, mach e, boltEV and... one of the kia/Hyundais?





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Re: some EV reading
Posted by: sekker
Date: November 05, 2023 01:48PM
Good list and easy to read.

Did not provide a key column - which ones have access to fast charging networks like SuperChargers.

Our recent Tesla Model Y dual motor long range without premium software cost ~$45k (including $7500 US tac break), giving a financial reference not found in the article.

I very much like the looks of the Ioniq 6, and considered it to buy. But they haven't signed up for NACS connectors ASAIK.

I know someone who owned a Ford MachE and loved driving it, just hating the lack of easy charging so sold it for a PHEV.

3 more years, and this particular set of growing pains for the EV industry will be over.

Looking forward to solid state batteries etc. Saw a report for one such battery (critically, not Toyota's vaporware) that will be going into production in 2025. Seemed legitimate, but the timeline is still aggressively marketed. So maybe 2026 for first production cars?

Add 3 more years, and that tech will settle down. Might be time for us to consider a replacement for our first gen Model Y.

And so the technology cycle goes!
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Re: some EV reading
Posted by: Markintosh
Date: November 05, 2023 02:01PM
The article made some good points, although including the really expensive BMW and Genesis models, then complaining about the cost of EV's is ridiculous.

By all rights, the EV6, the GV60 and the Ioniq 6 are all built on the same platform. So the Ioniq 5 should have been on that list too. Which one you pick is a matter of style preference.

The Bolt EV and EUV should have been on the list. The article mentions reliability issues...which is really all about the battery issue with early Bolts. Just about all of the batteries have been replaced on the 2017-19 models. Actual issues with the 2020+ models are rarer than getting struck by lightning twice a lifetime. Our Bolts were probably the most reliable cars I have owned. We moved on only to get AWD.

My list would have been:

Model 3
Ioniq 5
Ioniq 6
EV6
Bolt EV/EUV

In no particular order...style, needs and finances being the biggest variables.



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Re: some EV reading
Posted by: sekker
Date: November 05, 2023 02:07PM
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Markintosh
The article made some good points, although including the really expensive BMW and Genesis models, then complaining about the cost of EV's is ridiculous.

By all rights, the EV6, the GV60 and the Ioniq 6 are all built on the same platform. So the Ioniq 5 should have been on that list too. Which one you pick is a matter of style preference.

The Bolt EV and EUV should have been on the list. The article mentions reliability issues...which is really all about the battery issue with early Bolts. Just about all of the batteries have been replaced on the 2017-19 models. Actual issues with the 2020+ models are rarer than getting struck by lightning twice a lifetime. Our Bolts were probably the most reliable cars I have owned. We moved on only to get AWD.

My list would have been:

Model 3
Ioniq 5
Ioniq 6
EV6
Bolt EV/EUV

In no particular order...style, needs and finances being the biggest variables.

I agree on the Bolt except they were officially discontinued (before pledging to bring them back). So IF you can find inventory, and are ok with mid-speed charging, go for it.

We ALMOST pulled the trigger on one in Jan before betting on a 2017 Volt instead.
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Re: some EV reading
Posted by: Lux Interior
Date: November 05, 2023 02:41PM
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sekker
Did not provide a key column - which ones have access to fast charging networks like SuperChargers.

Not sure what you mean.

All EVs have access to DCFC.

Only Tesla currently has access to the Tesla supercharging network. The number of Tesla stations that support DCFC to non-Teslas via the Magic Dock are so few as to not be worth mentioning at this point.

Maybe in a couple years when other EVs start shipping with NACS connectors and manufacturers of J-1772 EVs start providing Tesla-approved adapters it will be different.
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Re: some EV reading
Posted by: N-OS X-tasy!
Date: November 05, 2023 03:31PM
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sekker
Looking forward to solid state batteries etc.

Solid state batteries with much-improved capacity will be the primary impetus for my next EV purchase some years down the road.



It is what it is.
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Re: some EV reading
Posted by: Speedy
Date: November 05, 2023 04:00PM
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N-OS X-tasy!
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sekker
Looking forward to solid state batteries etc.

Solid state batteries with much-improved capacity will be the primary impetus for my next EV purchase some years down the road.

Back in the ‘60’s I waited until I could get what I really wanted, a 400HP car. Affordable ones finally came out in the late ‘90’s. I’m so glad I waited although my ‘61 Opel was getting to be a real rust bucket by then.



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Re: some EV reading
Posted by: mrbigstuff
Date: November 05, 2023 04:50PM
I keep reading great things about the Ioniq cars.



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Re: some EV reading
Posted by: sekker
Date: November 05, 2023 06:21PM
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Lux Interior
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sekker
Did not provide a key column - which ones have access to fast charging networks like SuperChargers.

Not sure what you mean.

All EVs have access to DCFC.

Only Tesla currently has access to the Tesla supercharging network. The number of Tesla stations that support DCFC to non-Teslas via the Magic Dock are so few as to not be worth mentioning at this point.

Maybe in a couple years when other EVs start shipping with NACS connectors and manufacturers of J-1772 EVs start providing Tesla-approved adapters it will be different.

Have you tried to use the non-Tesla charging networks?!

Actually, CCS-enabled vehicles can charge at Superchargers. There are about 10 such non-Tesla models, with many more to come.

If you are waiting for solid state battery tech, it's going to be awhile because you will also then be restricted to the early models. And those will undoubtedly be rolled out in the high profit margin models, which will be the competitors to the Model S etc.
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Re: some EV reading
Posted by: N-OS X-tasy!
Date: November 05, 2023 06:34PM
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Speedy
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N-OS X-tasy!
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sekker
Looking forward to solid state batteries etc.

Solid state batteries with much-improved capacity will be the primary impetus for my next EV purchase some years down the road.

Back in the ‘60’s I waited until I could get what I really wanted, a 400HP car. Affordable ones finally came out in the late ‘90’s. I’m so glad I waited although my ‘61 Opel was getting to be a real rust bucket by then.

I'm completely happy with the Tesla MYLR I purchased a few months ago, but a higher capacity battery wouldn't suck.



It is what it is.
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Re: some EV reading
Posted by: Lizabeth
Date: November 05, 2023 06:41PM
Rivian chargers spotted in Waynesboro, Va today.

It’s a plus they are expanding their network.
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Re: some EV reading
Posted by: ztirffritz
Date: November 05, 2023 09:48PM
I was born there. My mom was a nurse at the hospital too.



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Re: some EV reading
Posted by: Markintosh
Date: November 05, 2023 10:25PM
The big thing is that if you live in a single family home and can install a 240v charger, most people would rarely need to visit a DCFC station of any kind.

A huge part of the crush right now is that there are 19 different EV's being sold that include 1-2 years of free charging, mostly at Electrify America. Right now it's the cheapest way for me to charge our Ioniq 5, so that's what we do. But once that is over, at current rates, charging at home is 1/3 the cost of DCFC charging and about 1/3 the cost of equivalent gasoline.

Once a few companies offered this perk, everyone else had to match it to stay in the game. Ultimately that game has to end soon. Then most DCFC stations will be used for travelers and people that are apartment dwellers that have not installed chargers. Where we live all new construction includes car chargers. We plan to install one in the next year, once our savings rebound a bit from building an ADU.



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Re: some EV reading
Posted by: Lux Interior
Date: November 06, 2023 09:52AM
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sekker
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Lux Interior
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sekker
Did not provide a key column - which ones have access to fast charging networks like SuperChargers.

Not sure what you mean.

All EVs have access to DCFC.

Only Tesla currently has access to the Tesla supercharging network. The number of Tesla stations that support DCFC to non-Teslas via the Magic Dock are so few as to not be worth mentioning at this point.

Maybe in a couple years when other EVs start shipping with NACS connectors and manufacturers of J-1772 EVs start providing Tesla-approved adapters it will be different.

Have you tried to use the non-Tesla charging networks?!

Actually, CCS-enabled vehicles can charge at Superchargers. There are about 10 such non-Tesla models, with many more to come.

Yes. I have charged at EA and EVGo chargers. My EVs are CCS/J-1772 only.

And TEN Magic-dock enabled out of how many? Like I said, it's insignificant right now.

Are you trying to say that only Teslas can DCFC? Seriously, I don't understand the point you are trying to make.
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Re: some EV reading
Posted by: dk62
Date: November 06, 2023 12:02PM
Does anyone have experience with VW ID4?
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Re: some EV reading
Posted by: btfc
Date: November 06, 2023 12:14PM
“ a higher capacity battery wouldn't suck “


You have a higher capacity battery but it is intentionally crippled..
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Re: some EV reading
Posted by: Fritz
Date: November 06, 2023 12:15PM
VW ID4.
Last year I Turo'd a Polestar 2. Met many other owners at the pump.
One was a ID4 owner. He loved it. Good looking beast too.



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Re: some EV reading
Posted by: dk62
Date: November 06, 2023 01:17PM
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Fritz
VW ID4.
Last year I Turo'd a Polestar 2. Met many other owners at the pump.
One was a ID4 owner. He loved it. Good looking beast too.

Thanks. That is what I am considering if I change jobs and have to start commuting.
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Re: some EV reading
Posted by: Acer
Date: November 06, 2023 01:54PM
In my day, we had to feed daily whether we went anywhere or not, muck the stall weekly, towel off and groom after every trip. Sometimes the horse, too.
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Re: some EV reading
Posted by: Markintosh
Date: November 06, 2023 02:16PM
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dk62
Does anyone have experience with VW ID4?

Reading on Reddit, the ID.4 gets panned, mostly for reliability. One discussion on the "askcarsales" thread had salemen suggesting that the ID.4 had resulted in more buybacks than they had seen since Dieselgate.

That said I see a lot of them around here.



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Re: some EV reading
Posted by: DinerDave
Date: November 06, 2023 03:51PM
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Markintosh
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dk62
Does anyone have experience with VW ID4?

Reading on Reddit, the ID.4 gets panned, mostly for reliability. One discussion on the "askcarsales" thread had salemen suggesting that the ID.4 had resulted in more buybacks than they had seen since Dieselgate.

That said I see a lot of them around here.

"Panned mostly for reliability"
To me this is suspect.
New tech in its infancy, new design car from ground up.
How can you predict poor reliability?

Dave



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Re: some EV reading
Posted by: kj
Date: November 07, 2023 10:53PM
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btfc
“ a higher capacity battery wouldn't suck “


You have a higher capacity battery but it is intentionally crippled..

Huh?
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Re: some EV reading
Posted by: kj
Date: November 07, 2023 10:55PM
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DinerDave
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Markintosh
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dk62
Does anyone have experience with VW ID4?

Reading on Reddit, the ID.4 gets panned, mostly for reliability. One discussion on the "askcarsales" thread had salemen suggesting that the ID.4 had resulted in more buybacks than they had seen since Dieselgate.

That said I see a lot of them around here.

"Panned mostly for reliability"
To me this is suspect.
New tech in its infancy, new design car from ground up.
How can you predict poor reliability?

Dave

I thought the software was the main gripe. Supposed to be fixed, but wasn’t.
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