Well, turns out Toyota has an easy time exaggerating to the US media, difficult time when talking to Japanese outlets.

First new cars might come as soon as 2026-27, but those won't be the true, long-range.

The Toyota Times says mass production for the solid state, 600 mile range cars won't be until 2030 and beyond.

Even so, they are starting (understandably with new tech) with only about 10,000 vehicles.

Glad to see the Japanese media holding Toyota accountable.

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I told y'all, they're full of sh|t. Last time they made an announcement, I pointed out they simply re-released on older announcement dating from 2017 (almost word for word, just a new date). Right around the corner my @ss!

been hearing 3-5 years for about 15 years when it comes to EV/Hybrid battery tech leaps forward.

I'd love an EV small truck with a real 500+ mile range. Easy to build a flat battery under the bed.

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been hearing 3-5 years for about 15 years when it comes to EV/Hybrid battery tech leaps forward.

I'd love an EV small truck with a real 500+ mile range. Easy to build a flat battery under the bed.

I suspect the problem is flex. Better to double stack the batteries like in the Hummer.

I like the iron batteries for a pickup because they can be recharged about twice as many times as the current lithium ones which is ideal for vehicles that are kept a long time. They don’t have the range, though. Battery technology is developed about as far as the Model T was in 1912. Great things are coming.

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Battery technology is developed about as far as the Model T was in 1912. Great things are coming.

I've been saying that using a different simile. I've been saying we are using 286 chips (and that is rather generous).

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been hearing 3-5 years for about 15 years when it comes to EV/Hybrid battery tech leaps forward.....

....Battery technology is developed about as far as the Model T was in 1912. Great things are coming.

He can thank his friends at big oil and the legacy auto industry for decades of zero progress when it comes to EVs. With their immensely greater resources, it's a shame. Don't blame the current EV industry (i.e. Tesla/Lucid/Rivian etc.) as they just started and in that brief time have advanced the tech greatly.

I see nothing new or revelatory here.

They said the first cars to use the new batteries would be hybrids which they expect to announce in 2025, and that they would announce an EV with the new batteries in 2026. Expectations were that the new EVs would ship in 2027.

So, now there's a story that the first cars to use the new batteries will be hybrids which they expect to announce in 2025, and that they will announce an EV with the new batteries in 2026 and ship in 2027.

And of course the initial run of EVs will be limited as they ramp up battery-production.

WORLD-SHATTERING!!

Electrek is filling a slow news day.

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How quickly we forget that not long ago a widely available and affordable electric car that could go 300 miles on a charge was a far-off pipe dream.

Solid-state batteries are coming...and they will be a major improvement.

But...probably not until around 2030.

My fleet of naturally-aspirated ICE vehicles should last until then.



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I see nothing new or revelatory here.

They said the first cars to use the new batteries would be hybrids which they expect to announce in 2025, and that they would announce an EV with the new batteries in 2026. Expectations were that the new EVs would ship in 2027.

So, now there's a story that the first cars to use the new batteries will be hybrids which they expect to announce in 2025, and that they will announce an EV with the new batteries in 2026 and ship in 2027.

And of course the initial run of EVs will be limited as they ramp up battery-production.

WORLD-SHATTERING!!

Electrek is filling a slow news day.

Please read the embedded links.

Toyota told us earlier this year that they would be shipping solid state battery vehicles with 600 miles plus range by 2025.

Instead, THOSE vehicles will not ship until 2030 at the earliest. Instead, anything being shipped before 2030 is a relatively small update to their older, current battery tech (roughly 20% improvement).

Toyota was clearly trying to seed FOMO and get buyers to wait to purchase now because their super great EVs were just around the corner.

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Toyota was clearly trying to seed FOMO and get buyers to wait to purchase now because their super great EVs were just around the corner.

This ^ And it absolutely works as it did on me. I’m waiting to buy a 2025 GM EV that will use the NACS charging standard and be able to use Superchargers. I imagine I’m not the only one.

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I see nothing new or revelatory here.

They said the first cars to use the new batteries would be hybrids which they expect to announce in 2025, and that they would announce an EV with the new batteries in 2026. Expectations were that the new EVs would ship in 2027.

So, now there's a story that the first cars to use the new batteries will be hybrids which they expect to announce in 2025, and that they will announce an EV with the new batteries in 2026 and ship in 2027.

And of course the initial run of EVs will be limited as they ramp up battery-production.

WORLD-SHATTERING!!

Electrek is filling a slow news day.

Please read the embedded links.

Toyota told us earlier this year that they would be shipping solid state battery vehicles with 600 miles plus range by 2025.

Instead, THOSE vehicles will not ship until 2030 at the earliest. Instead, anything being shipped before 2030 is a relatively small update to their older, current battery tech (roughly 20% improvement).

Toyota was clearly trying to seed FOMO and get buyers to wait to purchase now because their super great EVs were just around the corner.

You’ve inferred a great deal that was not there.

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I see nothing new or revelatory here.

They said the first cars to use the new batteries would be hybrids which they expect to announce in 2025, and that they would announce an EV with the new batteries in 2026. Expectations were that the new EVs would ship in 2027.

So, now there's a story that the first cars to use the new batteries will be hybrids which they expect to announce in 2025, and that they will announce an EV with the new batteries in 2026 and ship in 2027.

And of course the initial run of EVs will be limited as they ramp up battery-production.

WORLD-SHATTERING!!

Electrek is filling a slow news day.

Please read the embedded links.

Toyota told us earlier this year that they would be shipping solid state battery vehicles with 600 miles plus range by 2025.

Instead, THOSE vehicles will not ship until 2030 at the earliest. Instead, anything being shipped before 2030 is a relatively small update to their older, current battery tech (roughly 20% improvement).

Toyota was clearly trying to seed FOMO and get buyers to wait to purchase now because their super great EVs were just around the corner.

You’ve inferred a great deal that was not there.

We posted about Toyota’s June announcement here on MRF. The links I posted represent timelines that are far longer than implied in June, including 2030 at the earlier for full solid state Toyota EVs. I’ll let you decide whether that’s news, it is certainly a different timeline than they were broadcasting as far as I understood.

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Toyota was clearly trying to seed FOMO and get buyers to wait to purchase now because their super great EVs were just around the corner.

This ^ And it absolutely works as it did on me. I’m waiting to buy a 2025 GM EV that will use the NACS charging standard and be able to use Superchargers. I imagine I’m not the only one.

Absolutely. When asked, I tell folk that you want an EV with a NACS. Many more options will be opening up in the next 2-3 years. I am convinced that’s why the ford machE sales have taken a nose dive.

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I see nothing new or revelatory here.

They said the first cars to use the new batteries would be hybrids which they expect to announce in 2025, and that they would announce an EV with the new batteries in 2026. Expectations were that the new EVs would ship in 2027.

So, now there's a story that the first cars to use the new batteries will be hybrids which they expect to announce in 2025, and that they will announce an EV with the new batteries in 2026 and ship in 2027.

And of course the initial run of EVs will be limited as they ramp up battery-production.

WORLD-SHATTERING!!

Electrek is filling a slow news day.

Please read the embedded links.

Toyota told us earlier this year that they would be shipping solid state battery vehicles with 600 miles plus range by 2025.

Instead, THOSE vehicles will not ship until 2030 at the earliest. Instead, anything being shipped before 2030 is a relatively small update to their older, current battery tech (roughly 20% improvement).

Toyota was clearly trying to seed FOMO and get buyers to wait to purchase now because their super great EVs were just around the corner.

You’ve inferred a great deal that was not there.

We posted about Toyota’s June announcement here on MRF. The links I posted represent timelines that are far longer than implied in June, including 2030 at the earlier for full solid state Toyota EVs. I’ll let you decide whether that’s news, it is certainly a different timeline than they were broadcasting as far as I understood.

In the August thread, Tiangou was pretty convinced we'd see vehicles from Toyota in 2024, but perhaps that was a typo, since in skimming the linked article, there is no 2024 mentioned, but rather 2026 and 2027. Perhaps that "typo" is the source of all this confusion. At least, that's what I'm going to chalk it up to!

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One thing we keep hearing is 3-5 years for fast charging energy storage with all day highway range, but they have been saying that for over a decade....

They have long-range fast-charge sold state batteries and charging tech in China.

Toyota promised solid state batteries for the US in 2024.

They promised to introduce their new solid state batteries in 2024.

That doesn't mean they promised to ship solid state EVs in 2024.

Stop making up random BS and pretending Toyota reps (or I) said/wrote it.

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