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Tesla Cybertruck prices and range
Posted by: Ombligo
Date: November 30, 2023 05:16PM
The details are out

The Rear-Wheel Drive model (coming in 2025): $60,990. 250-mile range
All-Wheel Drive dual-motor version: $79,990. 350-mile range
The Cyberbeast: $99,990. 320-mile range


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Re: Tesla Cybertruck prices and range
Posted by: pRICE cUBE
Date: November 30, 2023 05:28PM
It was never going to be 40k.



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Re: Tesla Cybertruck prices and range
Posted by: rgG
Date: November 30, 2023 06:26PM
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pRICE cUBE
It was never going to be 40k.

They even said that on CNBC. Lol





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Re: Tesla Cybertruck prices and range
Posted by: Carnos Jax
Date: November 30, 2023 07:03PM
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It was never going to be 40k.

They even said that on CNBC. Lol

Maybe it's because they'd be leaving money on the table? That $40K price was announced 4 years ago, before Covid and supply chain issues, and before all the other manufacturers jacked up their prices on pickup trucks. Why do y'all think they should be selling electric pickups for less than $60K when no one else is?
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Re: Tesla Cybertruck prices and range
Posted by: pRICE cUBE
Date: November 30, 2023 07:20PM
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pRICE cUBE
It was never going to be 40k.

They even said that on CNBC. Lol

Maybe it's because they'd be leaving money on the table? That $40K price was announced 4 years ago, before Covid and supply chain issues, and before all the other manufacturers jacked up their prices on pickup trucks. Why do y'all think they should be selling electric pickups for less than $60K when no one else is?


It was always a too good to be true price. I felt the same way when Ford said the base F150 would be $40k. Ford at least delivered a few before they jacked up the price. F150 lightning starting price is now $50k for the 4x4 model. The CT went from 40k to 61k and allegedly will ship in 2025 and 80k for AWD. The advantage for Ford is it is shipping the vehicles now. Musk already says Teslas will take years to make money off the CT. I doubt Tesla will prioritize the RWD model in order to make more money off the AWD and premium models.



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Re: Tesla Cybertruck prices and range
Posted by: Carnos Jax
Date: November 30, 2023 07:39PM
Don't be fooled by Ford's MSRP, $50K is for their base 'pro' commercial model, but you'll pay more than $60K for it after dealer markups (assuming you can even find one). Thus there's no economic reason Tesla should sell theirs for less than $60K.



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I doubt Tesla will prioritize the RWD model in order to make more money off the AWD and premium models.

Agreed



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Re: Tesla Cybertruck prices and range
Posted by: pRICE cUBE
Date: November 30, 2023 08:21PM
This post indicates one must roll down a window and push a button to open the passenger door? This was an observation made during the CT rollout. Anyone know if this is accurate? If so, sounds like a pain in the neck.


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Re: Tesla Cybertruck prices and range
Posted by: GGD
Date: November 30, 2023 09:58PM
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pRICE cUBE
This post indicates one must roll down a window and push a button to open the passenger door? This was an observation made during the CT rollout. Anyone know if this is accurate? If so, sounds like a pain in the neck.

The prototype I saw doesn't seem to have door handles on the front or back passenger side unless they're very hidden from view.

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Re: Tesla Cybertruck prices and range
Posted by: kj
Date: November 30, 2023 10:11PM
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pRICE cUBE
This post indicates one must roll down a window and push a button to open the passenger door? This was an observation made during the CT rollout. Anyone know if this is accurate? If so, sounds like a pain in the neck.


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There are definitely buttons inside that open the doors. It seems to be hard for people to find the buttons outside so they can get in (no handles). He seems to prioritize efficiency at the cost of intuitive design, which to me is fine.
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Re: Tesla Cybertruck prices and range
Posted by: Rolando
Date: November 30, 2023 10:14PM
I think the CT might be more comparable to the Silverado EV than the Lightning. The Lightning is a converted ICE truck, the Silverado is a ground up Electric.

Silverado
Price, Range
$74800, 393 miles
$79800, 450 miles
$106895, ???



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Re: Tesla Cybertruck prices and range
Posted by: pRICE cUBE
Date: November 30, 2023 10:23PM
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Rolando
I think the CT might be more comparable to the Silverado EV than the Lightning. The Lightning is a converted ICE truck, the Silverado is a ground up Electric.

Silverado
Price, Range
$74800, 393 miles
$79800, 450 miles
$106895, ???


Those prices may be the case but for some buyers, the entry price is more important than range. If you look over at the Tesla subreddit, the CT is now riced our of a chunk of people's price range and they are cancelling. A Ford F150 Lightning 4x4 for $52k is sitting in a Ford dealership parking lot 8 miles from my Utah residence. By using an existing vehicle design and electrifying it, Ford beat Tesla and Chevy to the sales floor and can mass produce it.



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Re: Tesla Cybertruck prices and range
Posted by: Carnos Jax
Date: November 30, 2023 10:30PM
I guarantee you won’t be able to buy it at that price. After the dealership adds their fluff, it’ll be more than $60K. You gotta wonder why nobody’s buying the lightning enforce cutting production on them.
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Posted by: pRICE cUBE
Date: November 30, 2023 10:42PM
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Carnos Jax
I guarantee you won’t be able to buy it at that price. After the dealership adds their fluff, it’ll be more than $60K. You gotta wonder why nobody’s buying the lightning enforce cutting production on them.

And Chevy and Tesla won't add their fluff? The entire EV market is slowing. Ford is responding to their customers and ramping up Hybrid trucks. EV isn't practical for everyone. Ford has the flexibility of making and selling hybrids and selling now while Teslas and Chevy are meandering to the gate.



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Re: Tesla Cybertruck prices and range
Posted by: kj
Date: November 30, 2023 10:55PM
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pRICE cUBE
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Carnos Jax
I guarantee you won’t be able to buy it at that price. After the dealership adds their fluff, it’ll be more than $60K. You gotta wonder why nobody’s buying the lightning enforce cutting production on them.

And Chevy and Tesla won't add their fluff? The entire EV market is slowing. Ford is responding to their customers and ramping up Hybrid trucks. EV isn't practical for everyone. Ford has the flexibility of making and selling hybrids and selling now while Teslas and Chevy are meandering to the gate.

Actually, Tesla is unusually good about being up front about cost. There's no "market adjustment" or other silliness like many other dealers.

Btw, the entire auto market is slowing, not just EVs. I think it's mostly due to interest rates, but perhaps also due to increasing prices.

We have an all Ford fleet of cars and trucks at work. All of it is garbage. Sorry, but it is. Ford and Chevy aren't Tesla competition, BYD, Nio, Xpeng, etc. are. When did people start thinking Ford and Chevy know how to make cars? Good lord.
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Posted by: pRICE cUBE
Date: November 30, 2023 11:00PM
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kj
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Carnos Jax
I guarantee you won’t be able to buy it at that price. After the dealership adds their fluff, it’ll be more than $60K. You gotta wonder why nobody’s buying the lightning enforce cutting production on them.

And Chevy and Tesla won't add their fluff? The entire EV market is slowing. Ford is responding to their customers and ramping up Hybrid trucks. EV isn't practical for everyone. Ford has the flexibility of making and selling hybrids and selling now while Teslas and Chevy are meandering to the gate.

Actually, Tesla is unusually good about being up front about cost. There's no "market adjustment" or other silliness like many other dealers.

Btw, the entire auto market is slowing, not just EVs. I think it's mostly due to interest rates, but perhaps also due to increasing prices.

We have an all Ford fleet of cars and trucks at work. All of it is garbage. Sorry, but it is. Ford and Chevy aren't Tesla competition, BYD, Nio, Xpeng, etc. are. When did people start thinking Ford and Chevy know how to make cars? Good lord.



I am specifically talking about the CT, F150 Lightning, and EV Silverado.



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Re: Tesla Cybertruck prices and range
Posted by: kj
Date: November 30, 2023 11:01PM
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Carnos Jax
I guarantee you won’t be able to buy it at that price. After the dealership adds their fluff, it’ll be more than $60K. You gotta wonder why nobody’s buying the lightning enforce cutting production on them.

Dude, people who drive pickups live for belching toxic fumes, etc. They love it. Why would anyone try to sell them EVs?

The Powerboost hybrid trucks are made for power, not for Eco. They only get 24mpg. As long as you can do a cat delete, people will still buy them.
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Posted by: ztirffritz
Date: November 30, 2023 11:02PM
That $40k price was also before the $7500 Federal Tax Credit was restored to Tesla. That essentially guarantees a near $10k price increase. Mix in a pandemic, interest rate increases not seen in 30 years and some new features on the vehicle...and $30k isn't insane. It still puts it on par with a high end F-150. I'm not canceling my reservation just yet, but I'm not excited about the price either.I'm hoping that when Mine is built in 3 years the price will be lower, or I'll be richer.



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Re: Tesla Cybertruck prices and range
Posted by: kj
Date: November 30, 2023 11:08PM
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pRICE cUBE
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kj
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Carnos Jax
I guarantee you won’t be able to buy it at that price. After the dealership adds their fluff, it’ll be more than $60K. You gotta wonder why nobody’s buying the lightning enforce cutting production on them.

And Chevy and Tesla won't add their fluff? The entire EV market is slowing. Ford is responding to their customers and ramping up Hybrid trucks. EV isn't practical for everyone. Ford has the flexibility of making and selling hybrids and selling now while Teslas and Chevy are meandering to the gate.

Actually, Tesla is unusually good about being up front about cost. There's no "market adjustment" or other silliness like many other dealers.

Btw, the entire auto market is slowing, not just EVs. I think it's mostly due to interest rates, but perhaps also due to increasing prices.

We have an all Ford fleet of cars and trucks at work. All of it is garbage. Sorry, but it is. Ford and Chevy aren't Tesla competition, BYD, Nio, Xpeng, etc. are. When did people start thinking Ford and Chevy know how to make cars? Good lord.



I am specifically talking about the CT, F150 Lightning, and EV Silverado.

When you get on the Tesla app to pay for a CT, you will know exactly what it will cost. With the others you will get all kinds of shenanigans, just like you always have at car dealers. I agree the CT is likely a dud, but ford made the Pinto. Chevy made the Vega. I had a Taurus! Look at the Ford EcoSport. Wtf? Duds a plenty.
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Posted by: pRICE cUBE
Date: November 30, 2023 11:14PM
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ztirffritz
That $40k price was also before the $7500 Federal Tax Credit was restored to Tesla. That essentially guarantees a near $10k price increase. Mix in a pandemic, interest rate increases not seen in 30 years and some new features on the vehicle...and $30k isn't insane. It still puts it on par with a high end F-150. I'm not canceling my reservation just yet, but I'm not excited about the price either.I'm hoping that when Mine is built in 3 years the price will be lower, or I'll be richer.

I understand what you are saying about the cost increase. The bottom line is the jump in price excludes some people that were hoping to buy at or near the original price and now they cannot. Now the base model is not only RWD but may or may not ship next year.

I am seeing the CT comments by people that say they are disappointed in the price jump and some day they are cancelling. They can be viewed here: [www.reddit.com]



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Posted by: GGD
Date: November 30, 2023 11:18PM
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Carnos Jax
Don't be fooled by Ford's MSRP, $50K is for their base 'pro' commercial model, but you'll pay more than $60K for it after dealer markups (assuming you can even find one). Thus there's no economic reason Tesla should sell theirs for less than $60K.



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pRICE cUBE
I doubt Tesla will prioritize the RWD model in order to make more money off the AWD and premium models.

Agreed

But isn't Ford selling it to the dealer at invoice which I assume is still below sticker/MSRP? So Ford is able to manufacture and sell the truck for that cost, and doesn't see a penny of the dealer's markup. It's just like a performer doesn't see any of the extra that a scalper sells a ticket for.
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Posted by: kj
Date: November 30, 2023 11:20PM
"Chevy already dropped the 1LT trim from the 2024 Blazer EV lineup, as first reported by Green Car Reports, and raised the price of the new entry-level 2LT. All-wheel-drive versions of the 2LT and RS now start at $56,715 and $61,790, respectively; pricing for the front-drive 2LT hasn't yet been announced."

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A lot of this looks vaguely familiar. Increasing prices are disappointing a lot of people, not just people interested in Teslas.

"The 1LT going away means the 2024 Blazer EV's base price is going to be considerably more than the touted $44,995 entry point Chevy claimed it would be at the vehicle's initial unveiling."



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Re: Tesla Cybertruck prices and range
Posted by: Rolando
Date: November 30, 2023 11:23PM
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kj
When you get on the Tesla app to pay for a CT, you will know exactly what it will cost. With the others you will get all kinds of shenanigans, just like you always have at car dealers. I agree the CT is likely a dud, but ford made the Pinto. Chevy made the Vega. I had a Taurus! Look at the Ford EcoSport. Wtf? Duds a plenty.

If I was in the Market for an E-Truck and the dealer pulled that s4!t on me, I would have the Tesla App ready to go, one button from buying... and ask,
"Are you sure? You have 10 seconds to have your manager get rid of that!"

Still prefer a Maverick Sized version, tho!



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Posted by: kj
Date: November 30, 2023 11:28PM
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Rolando
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kj
When you get on the Tesla app to pay for a CT, you will know exactly what it will cost. With the others you will get all kinds of shenanigans, just like you always have at car dealers. I agree the CT is likely a dud, but ford made the Pinto. Chevy made the Vega. I had a Taurus! Look at the Ford EcoSport. Wtf? Duds a plenty.

If I was in the Market for an E-Truck and the dealer pulled that s4!t on me, I would have the Tesla App ready to go, one button from buying... and ask,
"Are you sure? You have 10 seconds to have your manager get rid of that!"

Still prefer a Maverick Sized version, tho!

Good idea! Might not help, but it would be fun.

I have to confess I really like the Maverick. That's truly a good concept with 40mpg, good utility and good price (except for the ridiculous markup). I would probably have one if it could have been bought for the msrp of 25k or so when we needed a new car.
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Posted by: GGD
Date: November 30, 2023 11:32PM
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Rolando
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kj
When you get on the Tesla app to pay for a CT, you will know exactly what it will cost. With the others you will get all kinds of shenanigans, just like you always have at car dealers. I agree the CT is likely a dud, but ford made the Pinto. Chevy made the Vega. I had a Taurus! Look at the Ford EcoSport. Wtf? Duds a plenty.

If I was in the Market for an E-Truck and the dealer pulled that s4!t on me, I would have the Tesla App ready to go, one button from buying... and ask,
"Are you sure? You have 10 seconds to have your manager get rid of that!"

Still prefer a Maverick Sized version, tho!

But how strong of a negotiation point is that if they have the vehicle ready to drive away, and pushing that button introduces a 3 year delay?

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I'm hoping that when Mine is built in 3 years the price will be lower, or I'll be richer.
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Posted by: pRICE cUBE
Date: November 30, 2023 11:37PM
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GGD
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Carnos Jax
Don't be fooled by Ford's MSRP, $50K is for their base 'pro' commercial model, but you'll pay more than $60K for it after dealer markups (assuming you can even find one). Thus there's no economic reason Tesla should sell theirs for less than $60K.



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pRICE cUBE
I doubt Tesla will prioritize the RWD model in order to make more money off the AWD and premium models.

Agreed

But isn't Ford selling it to the dealer at invoice which I assume is still below sticker/MSRP? So Ford is able to manufacture and sell the truck for that cost, and doesn't see a penny of the dealer's markup. It's just like a performer doesn't see any of the extra that a scalper sells a ticket for.


The dealer's website quotes that price. I would have to go down to the dealership and confirm anything but I am not that close to making a purchase. The search shows vehicles on the lot and ones that are on the way. This is the lowest price one on a lot [shop.ford.com]

These are the F150 Lighting available in my area right now [shop.ford.com]



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Re: Tesla Cybertruck prices and range
Posted by: kj
Date: November 30, 2023 11:47PM
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pRICE cUBE
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GGD
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Carnos Jax
Don't be fooled by Ford's MSRP, $50K is for their base 'pro' commercial model, but you'll pay more than $60K for it after dealer markups (assuming you can even find one). Thus there's no economic reason Tesla should sell theirs for less than $60K.



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pRICE cUBE
I doubt Tesla will prioritize the RWD model in order to make more money off the AWD and premium models.

Agreed

But isn't Ford selling it to the dealer at invoice which I assume is still below sticker/MSRP? So Ford is able to manufacture and sell the truck for that cost, and doesn't see a penny of the dealer's markup. It's just like a performer doesn't see any of the extra that a scalper sells a ticket for.


The dealer's website quotes that price. I would have to go down to the dealership and confirm anything but I am not that close to making a purchase. The search shows vehicles on the lot and ones that are on the way. This is the lowest price one on a lot [shop.ford.com]

These are the F150 Lighting available in my area right now [shop.ford.com]

If you can actually get one of those for even close to 52k, that seems like a really good deal. Maybe they aren't selling well enough for them to get over MSRP. There's really no painless way to find out, I don't think, unfortunately.
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Posted by: pRICE cUBE
Date: November 30, 2023 11:52PM
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kj
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Carnos Jax
Don't be fooled by Ford's MSRP, $50K is for their base 'pro' commercial model, but you'll pay more than $60K for it after dealer markups (assuming you can even find one). Thus there's no economic reason Tesla should sell theirs for less than $60K.



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pRICE cUBE
I doubt Tesla will prioritize the RWD model in order to make more money off the AWD and premium models.

Agreed

But isn't Ford selling it to the dealer at invoice which I assume is still below sticker/MSRP? So Ford is able to manufacture and sell the truck for that cost, and doesn't see a penny of the dealer's markup. It's just like a performer doesn't see any of the extra that a scalper sells a ticket for.


The dealer's website quotes that price. I would have to go down to the dealership and confirm anything but I am not that close to making a purchase. The search shows vehicles on the lot and ones that are on the way. This is the lowest price one on a lot [shop.ford.com]

These are the F150 Lighting available in my area right now [shop.ford.com]

If you can actually get one of those for even close to 52k, that seems like a really good deal. Maybe they aren't selling well enough for them to get over MSRP. There's really no painless way to find out, I don't think, unfortunately.


I believe initial interest for the F150 Lightning has slowed and that is why Ford is ramping up production of their Hybrid trucks. Hybrid is likely more practical for many of Ford's truck customers over EV. If you think about it, Ford crammed EV tech into a F150 in response to the CT announcement 5 years ago. If CT didn't get announced, Ford would probably be only selling ICE and Hybrid trucks right now.



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Posted by: Carnos Jax
Date: December 01, 2023 12:01AM
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I guarantee you won’t be able to buy it at that price. After the dealership adds their fluff....

And Chevy and Tesla won't add their fluff?

Chevy will, but I don't think you understand how Tesla works. You pay exactly what it says on their website.



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....You gotta wonder why nobody’s buying the lightning enforce cutting production on them.

...The entire EV market is slowing....

No it isn't, only for the legacy automakers. Nobody wants to buy their EVs because they're too pricey and they don't have access to Tesla's charging stations (yet). For Tesla it isn't slowing, it's growing. Many people are confusing the fact Tesla's production capacity is growing faster than their demand is growing.



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....Ford has the flexibility of making and selling hybrids and selling now while Teslas and Chevy are meandering to the gate.

Funny you should be critical of that while they betrayed you for decades on the whole EV transition. They wouldn't even be selling you hybrids now, nor would you have wanted them, unless Tesla burst in on the scene several years ago and started spoiling their party. Remember who you're rooting for.



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EV isn't practical for everyone.

Who ever said it is, why do people keep saying this??? The fact is that it is better for the majority of people, and that's the target market who EVs are currently aiming for. Once that's met, you'll start seeing vehicles for other use cases.



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Posted by: Carnos Jax
Date: December 01, 2023 12:16AM
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ztirffritz
That $40k price was also before the $7500 Federal Tax Credit was restored to Tesla. That essentially guarantees a near $10k price increase. Mix in a pandemic, interest rate increases not seen in 30 years and some new features on the vehicle...and $30k isn't insane. It still puts it on par with a high end F-150. I'm not canceling my reservation just yet, but I'm not excited about the price either.I'm hoping that when Mine is built in 3 years the price will be lower, or I'll be richer.

I understand what you are saying about the cost increase. The bottom line is the jump in price excludes some people that were hoping to buy at or near the original price and now they cannot. Now the base model is not only RWD but may or may not ship next year.

I am seeing the CT comments by people that say they are disappointed in the price jump and some day they are cancelling. They can be viewed here: [www.reddit.com]

Yes, but that's how capitalism and free markets work. When you're a new company without much resources, you go after the profitable segments of the market first, and after your production capacity, etc. catches up, then make the cheaper stuff. For example Apple doesn't make any cell phones for the lower income brackets. Tesla followed this plan brilliantly. In the beginning they made expensive roadsters, and used that money to finance models for the higher end of the automotive market (S and X), and used those profits to finance the middle of the market (3 and Y), and are using that money to finance the truck and low end market. At each step along the way people (including many in this forum) were kvetching about each generation being too expensive. What do you expect, they didn't have the deep pockets of the established auto makers? They're the ones you should blame for the lack of cheap EVs. It's like looking at a gift horse in the mouth. The only reason this EV transition has begun and you have any choices from the other automakers is because of Tesla.
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Posted by: Carnos Jax
Date: December 01, 2023 12:19AM
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GGD
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Carnos Jax
Don't be fooled by Ford's MSRP, $50K is for their base 'pro' commercial model, but you'll pay more than $60K for it after dealer markups (assuming you can even find one). Thus there's no economic reason Tesla should sell theirs for less than $60K.



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pRICE cUBE
I doubt Tesla will prioritize the RWD model in order to make more money off the AWD and premium models.

Agreed

But isn't Ford selling it to the dealer at invoice which I assume is still below sticker/MSRP? So Ford is able to manufacture and sell the truck for that cost, and doesn't see a penny of the dealer's markup. It's just like a performer doesn't see any of the extra that a scalper sells a ticket for.

I know, sad isn't it? That's why they're trying to get rid of the dealers.
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Posted by: pRICE cUBE
Date: December 01, 2023 12:25AM
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I guarantee you won’t be able to buy it at that price. After the dealership adds their fluff....

And Chevy and Tesla won't add their fluff?

Chevy will, but I don't think you understand how Tesla works. You pay exactly what it says on their website.



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....You gotta wonder why nobody’s buying the lightning enforce cutting production on them.

...The entire EV market is slowing....

No it isn't, only for the legacy automakers. Nobody wants to buy their EVs because they're too pricey and they don't have access to Tesla's charging stations (yet). For Tesla it isn't slowing, it's growing. Many people are confusing the fact Tesla's production capacity is growing faster than their demand is growing.



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....Ford has the flexibility of making and selling hybrids and selling now while Teslas and Chevy are meandering to the gate.

Funny you should be critical of that while they betrayed you for decades on the whole EV transition. They wouldn't even be selling you hybrids now, nor would you have wanted them, unless Tesla burst in on the scene several years ago and started spoiling their party. Remember who you're rooting for.



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EV isn't practical for everyone.

Who ever said it is, why do people keep saying this??? The fact is that it is better for the majority of people, and that's the target market who EVs are currently aiming for. Once that's met, you'll start seeing vehicles for other use cases.



I am not rooting for anyone and I frankly don't care who sells more. The facts is Ford reacted quickly to Tesla and then changed up based on what their customers are buying. The F150 lightning is nothing special other than it came to market sooner. Ice and Hybrid are more practical for Ford customers and that's why Ford is shifting. Ford doesn't care about EV purity, they just wanted something to blunt Tesla and preserve sales. Chevy has no excuses, the Silverado EV is based on the ICE Silverado unlike the CT which was ground up brand new.



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Re: Tesla Cybertruck prices and range
Posted by: vision63
Date: December 01, 2023 12:54AM
I want Tesla to do well, I just don't want Musk to do well.
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Re: Tesla Cybertruck prices and range
Posted by: Carnos Jax
Date: December 01, 2023 01:13AM
^^^I'm with you on this V.
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Re: Tesla Cybertruck prices and range
Posted by: Carnos Jax
Date: December 01, 2023 01:21AM
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Ice and Hybrid are more practical for Ford customers and that's why Ford is shifting.

No they're not, that's what they want you to believe. Hybrids have been around for 30 years, and gas prices have averaged the same for almost 20 years....you're telling me that now all of a sudden Ford thinks hybrids are better? I think not. Rather, Ford can't make enough batteries, cheaply enough, to sell their EVs at a decent price point and still make a profit. Hell, even at their inflated prices Ford can't make a profit on them, they're losing billions. Don't buy their sad story.
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Re: Tesla Cybertruck prices and range
Posted by: pRICE cUBE
Date: December 01, 2023 02:02AM
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Ice and Hybrid are more practical for Ford customers and that's why Ford is shifting.

No they're not, that's what they want you to believe. Hybrids have been around for 30 years, and gas prices have averaged the same for almost 20 years....you're telling me that now all of a sudden Ford thinks hybrids are better? I think not. Rather, Ford can't make enough batteries, cheaply enough, to sell their EVs at a decent price point and still make a profit. Hell, even at their inflated prices Ford can't make a profit on them, they're losing billions. Don't buy their sad story.


I live in an area with rural and suburban truck driving. Pickup trucks number about half the vehicles on the road. The spaces between major cities and recreational destinations are vast. Many people in my region that use trucks for work and recreation are opting for ICE and hybrid trucks to cover these vast distances without wondering where they can charge a vehicle. As EV infrastructure grows, things may change. I wouldn't buy a F150 Lightning for more than driving to the surrounding counties and hardware store runs. I certainly wouldn't tow with it as the range is limited. If I had a job that took me around the West like it used to, I would opt for Ice or hybrid. I think it will be great when purely ICE cars are phased out. It will be interesting to see how these companies respond to customer demands.



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Re: Tesla Cybertruck prices and range
Posted by: pqrst
Date: December 01, 2023 03:02AM
Are the windows still as strong as Musk tried to demonstrate at the unveiling? Inquiring minds want to I give it a try.
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Re: Tesla Cybertruck prices and range
Posted by: Carnos Jax
Date: December 01, 2023 03:47AM
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Ice and Hybrid are more practical for Ford customers and that's why Ford is shifting.

No they're not, that's what they want you to believe. Hybrids have been around for 30 years, and gas prices have averaged the same for almost 20 years....you're telling me that now all of a sudden Ford thinks hybrids are better? I think not. Rather, Ford can't make enough batteries, cheaply enough, to sell their EVs at a decent price point and still make a profit. Hell, even at their inflated prices Ford can't make a profit on them, they're losing billions. Don't buy their sad story.


I live in an area with rural and suburban truck driving. Pickup trucks number about half the vehicles on the road. The spaces between major cities and recreational destinations are vast. Many people in my region that use trucks for work and recreation are opting for ICE and hybrid trucks to cover these vast distances without wondering where they can charge a vehicle. As EV infrastructure grows, things may change. I wouldn't buy a F150 Lightning for more than driving to the surrounding counties and hardware store runs. I certainly wouldn't tow with it as the range is limited. If I had a job that took me around the West like it used to, I would opt for Ice or hybrid. I think it will be great when purely ICE cars are phased out. It will be interesting to see how these companies respond to customer demands.

I can’t say I know what it’s like out where you are. Around here I think pick up trucks are the majority vehicle type. And the most common use is commuting to work five days a week, with a commute being 20 to 30 miles one-way on average. That’s an ideal use case for an EV. Hardly anyone around here covers huge distances for work. There are some, but that’s some minority. And this is typical of much of the suburban areas in the eastern US. I guess part of that is because things are more densely packed than out west.
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Re: Tesla Cybertruck prices and range
Posted by: Carnos Jax
Date: December 01, 2023 04:25AM
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This post indicates one must roll down a window and push a button to open the passenger door? This was an observation made during the CT rollout. Anyone know if this is accurate? If so, sounds like a pain in the neck.


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I think this may be more FUD, it appears you press a button on the outside (see 31:47 in the following video):

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Re: Tesla Cybertruck prices and range
Posted by: jardster
Date: December 01, 2023 06:07AM
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This post indicates one must roll down a window and push a button to open the passenger door? This was an observation made during the CT rollout. Anyone know if this is accurate? If so, sounds like a pain in the neck.


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I think this may be more FUD, it appears you press a button on the outside (see 31:47 in the following video):

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If you go to 54:46, you clearly see them open the back doors by pressing something on the outside.



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Re: Tesla Cybertruck prices and range
Posted by: C(-)ris
Date: December 01, 2023 06:17AM
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I guarantee you won’t be able to buy it at that price. After the dealership adds their fluff, it’ll be more than $60K. You gotta wonder why nobody’s buying the lightning enforce cutting production on them.

And Chevy and Tesla won't add their fluff? The entire EV market is slowing. Ford is responding to their customers and ramping up Hybrid trucks. EV isn't practical for everyone. Ford has the flexibility of making and selling hybrids and selling now while Teslas and Chevy are meandering to the gate.

Actually, Tesla is unusually good about being up front about cost. There's no "market adjustment" or other silliness like many other dealers.

Btw, the entire auto market is slowing, not just EVs. I think it's mostly due to interest rates, but perhaps also due to increasing prices.

We have an all Ford fleet of cars and trucks at work. All of it is garbage. Sorry, but it is. Ford and Chevy aren't Tesla competition, BYD, Nio, Xpeng, etc. are. When did people start thinking Ford and Chevy know how to make cars? Good lord.



I am specifically talking about the CT, F150 Lightning, and EV Silverado.

When you get on the Tesla app to pay for a CT, you will know exactly what it will cost. With the others you will get all kinds of shenanigans, just like you always have at car dealers. I agree the CT is likely a dud, but ford made the Pinto. Chevy made the Vega. I had a Taurus! Look at the Ford EcoSport. Wtf? Duds a plenty.

Ford has consistently made the best fleet models around. Crown Vic, F150, all the Super Duties, Transit Vans, the new Explorer police interceptors, etc. I don't know what models your work fleet has, but Ford is pretty consistently the top performer in fleets.



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Re: Tesla Cybertruck prices and range
Posted by: sekker
Date: December 01, 2023 07:53AM
I think the CT looks EXACTLY like it was imagined. Do I need a truck? No. Will it sell to many truck owners? Not sure. But it’ll be distinctive for years to come.

Overall EV adoption is absolutely hampered by the poor charging experience for any EV that doesn’t access the Tesla Superchargers. Buyers are waiting - most can delay 1-2 years and will, hoping for next gen EVs.

And I agree that the main competition for EVs will be the Chinese companies that are literally stealing from Tesla and innovating with major governmental support. Traditional car companies are being hammered by their failure to understand that a SINGLE computer system is essential. VW might go under if they cannot figure it out. They already fired the last CEO who was focusing on software. Ford punted, next gen Lightning will use google auto instead of Ford’s crappy software. Yet another reason to wait a couple years for the second gen Lightning.
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Re: Tesla Cybertruck prices and range
Posted by: Speedy
Date: December 01, 2023 08:20AM
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Overall EV adoption is absolutely hampered by the poor charging experience for any EV that doesn’t access the Tesla Superchargers. Buyers are waiting - most can delay 1-2 years and will, hoping for next gen EVs.

That’s me and until then I’ll keep driving my PHEV.



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Re: Tesla Cybertruck prices and range
Posted by: Ombligo
Date: December 01, 2023 09:02AM
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I think the CT looks EXACTLY like it was imagined. Do I need a truck? No. Will it sell to many truck owners? Not sure. But it’ll be distinctive for years to come.

In much the same way the Delorian is distinctive or the Edsel's horsecollar front.



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Re: Tesla Cybertruck prices and range
Posted by: d4
Date: December 01, 2023 10:26AM
Just here for the 'Friendly' Cybertruck Ranting Discussion. LOL
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Re: Tesla Cybertruck prices and range
Posted by: August West
Date: December 01, 2023 11:54AM
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In much the same way the Delorian is distinctive or the Edsel's horsecollar front.

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Re: Tesla Cybertruck prices and range
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Date: December 01, 2023 12:03PM
Re: Tesla Cybertruck prices and range
Posted by: kj
Date: December 01, 2023 12:20PM
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I want Tesla to do well, I just don't want Musk to do well.

I want Musk to do well. He could be a positive force for good, and I think in a way he wants that. He just doesn't know how. Hopefully he can figure it out.
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Re: Tesla Cybertruck prices and range
Posted by: sekker
Date: December 01, 2023 12:26PM
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I think the CT looks EXACTLY like it was imagined. Do I need a truck? No. Will it sell to many truck owners? Not sure. But it’ll be distinctive for years to come.

In much the same way the Delorian is distinctive or the Edsel's horsecollar front.

I think the Delorian had some real artistic appeal and is not an unfair comparison with its stainless steel build. The car was a technical success, as far as I can tell. That was one of the failed attempts to make a new car company in the last 100 years.

Had to look up the Edsel. Seems not very comparable from an artistic language. But it did fail in the marketplace, so maybe you will be right.
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Date: December 01, 2023 12:28PM
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I want Tesla to do well, I just don't want Musk to do well.

I want Musk to do well. He could be a positive force for good, and I think in a way he wants that. He just doesn't know how. Hopefully he can figure it out.

I actually would like to see Musk recover and become the person who really did launch a series of amazing companies, and for the right reasons.

I'm just not sure the Musk who bought Twitter is the same person. He clearly needs help.
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Re: Tesla Cybertruck prices and range
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Date: December 01, 2023 12:34PM
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I guarantee you won’t be able to buy it at that price. After the dealership adds their fluff, it’ll be more than $60K. You gotta wonder why nobody’s buying the lightning enforce cutting production on them.

And Chevy and Tesla won't add their fluff? The entire EV market is slowing. Ford is responding to their customers and ramping up Hybrid trucks. EV isn't practical for everyone. Ford has the flexibility of making and selling hybrids and selling now while Teslas and Chevy are meandering to the gate.

Actually, Tesla is unusually good about being up front about cost. There's no "market adjustment" or other silliness like many other dealers.

Btw, the entire auto market is slowing, not just EVs. I think it's mostly due to interest rates, but perhaps also due to increasing prices.

We have an all Ford fleet of cars and trucks at work. All of it is garbage. Sorry, but it is. Ford and Chevy aren't Tesla competition, BYD, Nio, Xpeng, etc. are. When did people start thinking Ford and Chevy know how to make cars? Good lord.



I am specifically talking about the CT, F150 Lightning, and EV Silverado.

When you get on the Tesla app to pay for a CT, you will know exactly what it will cost. With the others you will get all kinds of shenanigans, just like you always have at car dealers. I agree the CT is likely a dud, but ford made the Pinto. Chevy made the Vega. I had a Taurus! Look at the Ford EcoSport. Wtf? Duds a plenty.

Ford has consistently made the best fleet models around. Crown Vic, F150, all the Super Duties, Transit Vans, the new Explorer police interceptors, etc. I don't know what models your work fleet has, but Ford is pretty consistently the top performer in fleets.

By what metric? We have Escapes, Explorers, Fusions, and a couple trucks. They're garbage. Do they get you from point A to point B? Sometimes. But there's more to a good car. If you get in one and think it's nice, you haven't driven a nice car. Or you don't know what to look for. And if anything suggests they are reliable, it's a lie. I think maybe they are cheap? Idk.

Apparently the Crown Vic was durable and reliable. But it drove like A$$. 5 inches of play in the steering wheel, wheezy engine, heavy, harsh ride. Terrible aesthetics. Life's too short to drive something like that. Maybe anything would work for a fleet vehicle, so cost is the main variable.
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