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Re: Tesla Cybertruck prices and range Date: November 30, 2023 05:28PM |
It was never going to be 40k.
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Re: Tesla Cybertruck prices and range Date: November 30, 2023 06:26PM |
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It was never going to be 40k.
They even said that on CNBC. Lol
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Re: Tesla Cybertruck prices and range Date: November 30, 2023 07:20PM |
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pRICE cUBE
It was never going to be 40k.
They even said that on CNBC. Lol
Maybe it's because they'd be leaving money on the table? That $40K price was announced 4 years ago, before Covid and supply chain issues, and before all the other manufacturers jacked up their prices on pickup trucks. Why do y'all think they should be selling electric pickups for less than $60K when no one else is?
It was always a too good to be true price. I felt the same way when Ford said the base F150 would be $40k. Ford at least delivered a few before they jacked up the price. F150 lightning starting price is now $50k for the 4x4 model. The CT went from 40k to 61k and allegedly will ship in 2025 and 80k for AWD. The advantage for Ford is it is shipping the vehicles now. Musk already says Teslas will take years to make money off the CT. I doubt Tesla will prioritize the RWD model in order to make more money off the AWD and premium models.
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Re: Tesla Cybertruck prices and range Date: November 30, 2023 08:21PM |
This post indicates one must roll down a window and push a button to open the passenger door? This was an observation made during the CT rollout. Anyone know if this is accurate? If so, sounds like a pain in the neck.
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Re: Tesla Cybertruck prices and range Date: November 30, 2023 10:23PM |
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I think the CT might be more comparable to the Silverado EV than the Lightning. The Lightning is a converted ICE truck, the Silverado is a ground up Electric.
Silverado
Price, Range
$74800, 393 miles
$79800, 450 miles
$106895, ???
Those prices may be the case but for some buyers, the entry price is more important than range. If you look over at the Tesla subreddit, the CT is now riced our of a chunk of people's price range and they are cancelling. A Ford F150 Lightning 4x4 for $52k is sitting in a Ford dealership parking lot 8 miles from my Utah residence. By using an existing vehicle design and electrifying it, Ford beat Tesla and Chevy to the sales floor and can mass produce it.
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Re: Tesla Cybertruck prices and range Date: November 30, 2023 10:42PM |
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I guarantee you won’t be able to buy it at that price. After the dealership adds their fluff, it’ll be more than $60K. You gotta wonder why nobody’s buying the lightning enforce cutting production on them.
And Chevy and Tesla won't add their fluff? The entire EV market is slowing. Ford is responding to their customers and ramping up Hybrid trucks. EV isn't practical for everyone. Ford has the flexibility of making and selling hybrids and selling now while Teslas and Chevy are meandering to the gate.
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Re: Tesla Cybertruck prices and range Date: November 30, 2023 11:00PM |
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I guarantee you won’t be able to buy it at that price. After the dealership adds their fluff, it’ll be more than $60K. You gotta wonder why nobody’s buying the lightning enforce cutting production on them.
And Chevy and Tesla won't add their fluff? The entire EV market is slowing. Ford is responding to their customers and ramping up Hybrid trucks. EV isn't practical for everyone. Ford has the flexibility of making and selling hybrids and selling now while Teslas and Chevy are meandering to the gate.
Actually, Tesla is unusually good about being up front about cost. There's no "market adjustment" or other silliness like many other dealers.
Btw, the entire auto market is slowing, not just EVs. I think it's mostly due to interest rates, but perhaps also due to increasing prices.
We have an all Ford fleet of cars and trucks at work. All of it is garbage. Sorry, but it is. Ford and Chevy aren't Tesla competition, BYD, Nio, Xpeng, etc. are. When did people start thinking Ford and Chevy know how to make cars? Good lord.
I am specifically talking about the CT, F150 Lightning, and EV Silverado.
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Re: Tesla Cybertruck prices and range Date: November 30, 2023 11:14PM |
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That $40k price was also before the $7500 Federal Tax Credit was restored to Tesla. That essentially guarantees a near $10k price increase. Mix in a pandemic, interest rate increases not seen in 30 years and some new features on the vehicle...and $30k isn't insane. It still puts it on par with a high end F-150. I'm not canceling my reservation just yet, but I'm not excited about the price either.I'm hoping that when Mine is built in 3 years the price will be lower, or I'll be richer.
I understand what you are saying about the cost increase. The bottom line is the jump in price excludes some people that were hoping to buy at or near the original price and now they cannot. Now the base model is not only RWD but may or may not ship next year.
I am seeing the CT comments by people that say they are disappointed in the price jump and some day they are cancelling. They can be viewed here: [www.reddit.com]
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Re: Tesla Cybertruck prices and range Date: November 30, 2023 11:37PM |
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Carnos Jax
Don't be fooled by Ford's MSRP, $50K is for their base 'pro' commercial model, but you'll pay more than $60K for it after dealer markups (assuming you can even find one). Thus there's no economic reason Tesla should sell theirs for less than $60K.
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pRICE cUBE
I doubt Tesla will prioritize the RWD model in order to make more money off the AWD and premium models.
Agreed
But isn't Ford selling it to the dealer at invoice which I assume is still below sticker/MSRP? So Ford is able to manufacture and sell the truck for that cost, and doesn't see a penny of the dealer's markup. It's just like a performer doesn't see any of the extra that a scalper sells a ticket for.
The dealer's website quotes that price. I would have to go down to the dealership and confirm anything but I am not that close to making a purchase. The search shows vehicles on the lot and ones that are on the way. This is the lowest price one on a lot [shop.ford.com]
These are the F150 Lighting available in my area right now [shop.ford.com]
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Re: Tesla Cybertruck prices and range Date: November 30, 2023 11:52PM |
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Don't be fooled by Ford's MSRP, $50K is for their base 'pro' commercial model, but you'll pay more than $60K for it after dealer markups (assuming you can even find one). Thus there's no economic reason Tesla should sell theirs for less than $60K.
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pRICE cUBE
I doubt Tesla will prioritize the RWD model in order to make more money off the AWD and premium models.
Agreed
But isn't Ford selling it to the dealer at invoice which I assume is still below sticker/MSRP? So Ford is able to manufacture and sell the truck for that cost, and doesn't see a penny of the dealer's markup. It's just like a performer doesn't see any of the extra that a scalper sells a ticket for.
The dealer's website quotes that price. I would have to go down to the dealership and confirm anything but I am not that close to making a purchase. The search shows vehicles on the lot and ones that are on the way. This is the lowest price one on a lot [shop.ford.com]
These are the F150 Lighting available in my area right now [shop.ford.com]
If you can actually get one of those for even close to 52k, that seems like a really good deal. Maybe they aren't selling well enough for them to get over MSRP. There's really no painless way to find out, I don't think, unfortunately.
I believe initial interest for the F150 Lightning has slowed and that is why Ford is ramping up production of their Hybrid trucks. Hybrid is likely more practical for many of Ford's truck customers over EV. If you think about it, Ford crammed EV tech into a F150 in response to the CT announcement 5 years ago. If CT didn't get announced, Ford would probably be only selling ICE and Hybrid trucks right now.
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Re: Tesla Cybertruck prices and range Date: December 01, 2023 12:25AM |
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I guarantee you won’t be able to buy it at that price. After the dealership adds their fluff....
And Chevy and Tesla won't add their fluff?
Chevy will, but I don't think you understand how Tesla works. You pay exactly what it says on their website.
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....You gotta wonder why nobody’s buying the lightning enforce cutting production on them.
...The entire EV market is slowing....
No it isn't, only for the legacy automakers. Nobody wants to buy their EVs because they're too pricey and they don't have access to Tesla's charging stations (yet). For Tesla it isn't slowing, it's growing. Many people are confusing the fact Tesla's production capacity is growing faster than their demand is growing.
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....Ford has the flexibility of making and selling hybrids and selling now while Teslas and Chevy are meandering to the gate.
Funny you should be critical of that while they betrayed you for decades on the whole EV transition. They wouldn't even be selling you hybrids now, nor would you have wanted them, unless Tesla burst in on the scene several years ago and started spoiling their party. Remember who you're rooting for.
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EV isn't practical for everyone.
Who ever said it is, why do people keep saying this??? The fact is that it is better for the majority of people, and that's the target market who EVs are currently aiming for. Once that's met, you'll start seeing vehicles for other use cases.
I am not rooting for anyone and I frankly don't care who sells more. The facts is Ford reacted quickly to Tesla and then changed up based on what their customers are buying. The F150 lightning is nothing special other than it came to market sooner. Ice and Hybrid are more practical for Ford customers and that's why Ford is shifting. Ford doesn't care about EV purity, they just wanted something to blunt Tesla and preserve sales. Chevy has no excuses, the Silverado EV is based on the ICE Silverado unlike the CT which was ground up brand new.
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Re: Tesla Cybertruck prices and range Date: December 01, 2023 02:02AM |
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Ice and Hybrid are more practical for Ford customers and that's why Ford is shifting.
No they're not, that's what they want you to believe. Hybrids have been around for 30 years, and gas prices have averaged the same for almost 20 years....you're telling me that now all of a sudden Ford thinks hybrids are better? I think not. Rather, Ford can't make enough batteries, cheaply enough, to sell their EVs at a decent price point and still make a profit. Hell, even at their inflated prices Ford can't make a profit on them, they're losing billions. Don't buy their sad story.
I live in an area with rural and suburban truck driving. Pickup trucks number about half the vehicles on the road. The spaces between major cities and recreational destinations are vast. Many people in my region that use trucks for work and recreation are opting for ICE and hybrid trucks to cover these vast distances without wondering where they can charge a vehicle. As EV infrastructure grows, things may change. I wouldn't buy a F150 Lightning for more than driving to the surrounding counties and hardware store runs. I certainly wouldn't tow with it as the range is limited. If I had a job that took me around the West like it used to, I would opt for Ice or hybrid. I think it will be great when purely ICE cars are phased out. It will be interesting to see how these companies respond to customer demands.
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Re: Tesla Cybertruck prices and range Date: December 01, 2023 06:07AM |
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Carnos Jax
I think this may be more FUD, it appears you press a button on the outside (see 31:47 in the following video):
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If you go to 54:46, you clearly see them open the back doors by pressing something on the outside.
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Re: Tesla Cybertruck prices and range Date: December 01, 2023 10:26AM |
Just here for the 'Friendly' Cybertruck Ranting Discussion. LOL
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Re: Tesla Cybertruck prices and range Date: December 01, 2023 11:54AM |
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