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Price Point where Mac mini i7 (2018) makes sense over an M2?
Posted by: TLB
Date: December 01, 2023 03:10PM
Question is in the subject. Our sponsor has some interesting i7 Mac Mini offerings and I've seen other refurb and used systems around the net this past week. I'm drawn to the ram expandability and extra ports of the i7, but am also leery of moving to dated technology. This would be just a general purpose home computer, not a work system. Thoughts?
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Re: Price Point where Mac mini i7 (2018) makes sense over an M2?
Posted by: sekker
Date: December 01, 2023 03:14PM
If someone gave me an Intel Mac mini, I would use it if I had no other M-series options.

You can get an M1 Mac mini for under $500 on eBay, new. Do not need an M2 to be vastly faster than the Intel model.
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Re: Price Point where Mac mini i7 (2018) makes sense over an M2?
Posted by: kj
Date: December 01, 2023 03:30PM
I think you can get an M2 for less than 500, although you do get the slower hard drive, etc. with that. But at that price I don't think there is any price point for an intel that makes it a good value. Unless you truly don't have the 500, or there is something you need intel for. I have one crucial program that only just this last week was updated for Apple Silicon, so I had a good excuse until last week winking smiley
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Re: Price Point where Mac mini i7 (2018) makes sense over an M2?
Posted by: TheTominator
Date: December 01, 2023 03:39PM
If you have to use Mac software that is incompatible with Apple Silicon, then the Intel i7 Mac mini makes sense.

If you have older Mac software that needs lots of RAM, the Intel Mini makes some sense.

If you need to keep bootable external drives running different older Mac OS versions (e.g. for software development compatibility testing), the older Intel Mac Mini makes sense.

But otherwise, no. For general computing, the M2 (or a good deal on a M1) is a much better value.


I have a 2012 8GB i7 quad-core Mac Mini alongside an 8GB M1 Mac Mini. The older i7 used to have 16GB until one of the RAM chips failed. I currently only use the i7 running Mac OS 10.14 for older software and Parallels to run different older versions of Windows and Mac OS. The newer M1 Mac is my primary driver.



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Re: Price Point where Mac mini i7 (2018) makes sense over an M2?
Posted by: jdc
Date: December 01, 2023 03:50PM
IMHO, no amount.

my wifes base M1 mini runs like a top doing way more than "general purpose home" -- WFH, dual screens, Zoom meetings almost every day, on her work PC via VPN, outlook, word, excel, etc, plus all of her home emails, surfing, etc., Just goes and goes, silent, hidden in plain site under her lamp.

Try finding a M1 with 16/256 used if you think ram matters?





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Re: Price Point where Mac mini i7 (2018) makes sense over an M2?
Posted by: anonymouse1
Date: December 01, 2023 04:12PM
It depends on your overall budget.

For me, probably around $100-$150. The M1 and M2 are just that much better, and the wave of the future.
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Re: Price Point where Mac mini i7 (2018) makes sense over an M2?
Posted by: Filliam H. Muffman
Date: December 01, 2023 04:29PM
It's easier to run older versions of Windows on a 2018 mini, but the onboard GPU is kind of anemic for Windows games.



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Re: Price Point where Mac mini i7 (2018) makes sense over an M2?
Posted by: gadje
Date: December 01, 2023 04:40PM
probably a NEGATIVE price.
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Re: Price Point where Mac mini i7 (2018) makes sense over an M2?
Posted by: jonny
Date: December 01, 2023 05:57PM
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gadje
probably a NEGATIVE price.

agree smiley
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Re: Price Point where Mac mini i7 (2018) makes sense over an M2?
Posted by: hal
Date: December 01, 2023 06:08PM
OWC is asking $549 for an i7 w/ 16gb, 512gb - that just isn't competitive with refurb M1 minis let alone M2
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Re: Price Point where Mac mini i7 (2018) makes sense over an M2?
Posted by: N-OS X-tasy!
Date: December 01, 2023 06:53PM
At this point, I would consider the purchase of an Intel Mac only if I need to run Windows on the Mac or needed to be able to use 32-bit software.



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Re: Price Point where Mac mini i7 (2018) makes sense over an M2?
Posted by: davemchine
Date: December 01, 2023 11:00PM
I keep Intel Macs to run old software that won’t run on an M series chip. They are also handy for virtual machines. I would not use an Intel computer for day-to-day use as the M1 seems to run laps around it.



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Re: Price Point where Mac mini i7 (2018) makes sense over an M2?
Posted by: sekker
Date: December 02, 2023 11:30AM
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davemchine
I keep Intel Macs to run old software that won’t run on an M series chip. They are also handy for virtual machines. I would not use an Intel computer for day-to-day use as the M1 seems to run laps around it.

To be fair, I found late-model Intel iMacs to be ok in daily use. But they had GPUs and 32GB RAM.

Not sure I would do an Intel Mac mini, tho.
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Re: Price Point where Mac mini i7 (2018) makes sense over an M2?
Posted by: Robert M
Date: December 02, 2023 02:51PM
Sekker,

My primary machines are a 2019 iMac 27" with an 3.7 GHz 6-Core Intel Core i5, a Radeon Pro 580X 8GB, 24GB RAM. One boots of an external NVME stick in an OWC Envoy Express, the other is identical except it boots of an NVME Stick in a USB 3.1 Gen 2 box. Both run nicely and handle all of my normal day to day business computing tasks without an issue. One runs Monterey. The other Mojave.

For my purposes, moving to an M series machine will offer improvements but not enough of them to make me switch for now. That I can run 32-bit apps in a Parallels Mojave Virtual Machine on either them is a huge bonus since a couple of key apps have no viable alternatives right now. I run Mojave in a virtual machine on the iMac that has Monterey for the purposes of running a couple of key 32-bit apps.

My other critical machine is an Early 2015 MBPr 13" with an Intel Core i7 and 16GB of RAM. It is configured in an identical manner to the iMac that is running Mojave. It has an OWC SSD in it. The MBPr doesn't handle graphics tasks as well as the iMacs for the obivous reasons but is just dandy for everything else. It makes for an excellent "Office at home" machine and "Office on the road" machine.

At some point, the MBPr will be replaced with a 14" M series MBP. The iMacs with an M series Mini or a Studio and a 32" display, likely a high quality 4K model. I'll keep the existing iMacs in service in other places and probably retire the Early 2015 MBPr 13".

Robert



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Re: Price Point where Mac mini i7 (2018) makes sense over an M2?
Posted by: TLB
Date: December 02, 2023 03:03PM
Thanks for the feedback.
Impulse buy - I bought an M2-8GB-256GB machine.

Best prices I found:

Warranted i7 32GB-128GB $330
NOS M1 8GB-256GB $454 (AAFES no tax, no shipping)
M2 Apple Refurb $509
M2 NIB $499 compared to ~$479 on Black Friday



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Re: Price Point where Mac mini i7 (2018) makes sense over an M2?
Posted by: rich in distress
Date: December 02, 2023 11:43PM
Congratulations! That sounds like a great deal…
The biggest barrier right now is software. Do your machine a favor by using the software it excels on.
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Re: Price Point where Mac mini i7 (2018) makes sense over an M2?
Posted by: sekker
Date: December 03, 2023 01:10PM
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TLB
Thanks for the feedback.
Impulse buy - I bought an M2-8GB-256GB machine.

Best prices I found:

Warranted i7 32GB-128GB $330
NOS M1 8GB-256GB $454 (AAFES no tax, no shipping)
M2 Apple Refurb $509
M2 NIB $499 compared to ~$479 on Black Friday

M-L E A D E R! Enjoy.
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Re: Price Point where Mac mini i7 (2018) makes sense over an M2?
Posted by: dk62
Date: December 04, 2023 10:12AM
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Filliam H. Muffman
It's easier to run older versions of Windows on a 2018 mini, but the onboard GPU is kind of anemic for Windows games.

I am currently playing Diablo 4 and Assassin Creed Odyssey on 2018 Mac mini with the external GPU. Works really well. Using M2 for Mac work.
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