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Nice!

Hard to tell, but it looks to me like the instrument panel is centered on the dashboard (as opposed to the left side centered on the steering wheel)?

The exterior isn't too shabby either

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Needs new pedals.....

Other than that, it's a keeper!
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Needs new pedals.....

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noticed that, too. or, at least, some rubber covers. sheesh.

and move that g-d carpet out of the way!

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Nice!

Hard to tell, but it looks to me like the instrument panel is centered on the dashboard (as opposed to the left side centered on the steering wheel)?

It is. Packard held onto the center instrument cluster a little longer than other makes. At least it has two glove boxes, one on either side.

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I didn't want to be a wet blanket in case I was wrong, but sure enough the dash is painted metal and not actual wood. It's a VERY impressive example of faux wood though, and I wonder exactly what process they used to make or print it since it has an uneven surface and plastics were in their infancy at the time.

I once read that an offset printer was developed to apply paint to the highly irregularly shaped faces of dolls (lips, eyebrows, rosy cheeks, etc.) for mass production and that that technology found uses in many other fields afterwards, so maybe that was the method used?

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There’s a interesting info in the Packard V12 wiki, stating the early 1916 cars had a 50 hp V12 because
“ Large displacement engines provided the horsepower and torque their clients wanted and due to the low quality of gasoline fuel at the time, and low compression ratios, 50 bhp was more than adequate. It is estimated that the rating equivalent of early gasoline available varied from 40 to 60 octane and that the "High-Test", sometimes referred to as "fighting grade", probably averaged 50 to 65 octane.”

The 1921 version produced 88 hp.

The third generation of cars, starting with 1933, engine displacement increased from 424 ci to 473 ci, the engine got aluminum heads and hp was 175 to 180 hp.

I had no idea gas had such a low octane rating in 1916.

Damn it. Painted faux wood dashboard hiding in the small print. The nerve! Forget it Buzz, deals off.
Though I must say that is pretty cool.

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“I had no idea gas had such a low octane rating in 1916.”

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There’s a interesting info in the Packard V12 wiki, stating the early 1916 cars had a 50 hp V12 because
“ Large displacement engines provided the horsepower and torque their clients wanted and due to the low quality of gasoline fuel at the time, and low compression ratios, 50 bhp was more than adequate. It is estimated that the rating equivalent of early gasoline available varied from 40 to 60 octane and that the "High-Test", sometimes referred to as "fighting grade", probably averaged 50 to 65 octane.”

The 1921 version produced 88 hp.

The third generation of cars, starting with 1933, engine displacement increased from 424 ci to 473 ci, the engine got aluminum heads and hp was 175 to 180 hp.

I had no idea gas had such a low octane rating in 1916.

Yep. Because of the low octane gas available, compression ratios were around 5 or 6 to 1. After WWII when high-octane leaded gas became widely available, compression ratios jumped to 8 to 1 and beyond, eventually going as high as 10.5 to 1 or slightly higher on high performance, "premium fuel only" engines in the 1960s. In 1972 in the US, a mandate went into effect that all production automobile engines must be able to run on "regular" (and eventually unleaded) gasoline, causing compression ratios to be lowered to around 8.5 to 1 across the board.

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I wonder if the factory V-12 could be breathed on in any degree, to safely increase performance and mileage.

To some car guys, breathed on meant adding a huffer.

To others it just meant adding performance parts.

Just now good was the metallurgy for engines?

Increase bore?

Higher compression pistons?

Cleaning up vintage manufacturing/castings?

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I wonder if the factory V-12 could be breathed on in any degree, to safely increase performance and mileage.

To some car guys, breathed on meant adding a huffer.

To others it just meant adding performance parts.

Just now good was the metallurgy for engines?

Increase bore?

Higher compression pistons?

Cleaning up vintage manufacturing/castings?

Basically refining vintage mechanicals with more studly parts, without risk of blowing up the engine or drive train.

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I wonder if the factory V-12 could be breathed on in any degree, to safely increase performance and mileage.

To some car guys, breathed on meant adding a huffer.

To others it just meant adding performance parts.

Just now good was the metallurgy for engines?

Increase bore?

Higher compression pistons?

Cleaning up vintage manufacturing/castings?

Basically refining vintage mechanicals with more studly parts, without risk of blowing up the engine or drive train.

Packard engine parts were already finished to a very high standard at the factory, so I doubt there would be anything left on the castings to clean up.

It's a flathead (side-valve) engine which limits how much you could increase the compression ratio because of the space needed for the valves to open.

Also the "bottom end" (crankshaft, main bearings, connecting rods, etc.) would need to be strengthened to handle any performance improvements, and for a Packard V12 you'd almost certainly have to engineer and produce those components yourself from scratch.

Basically it was designed to run on low-octane gas as smoothly as possible while providing good power for the time, but it is in no way a "performance" engine.

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Also the "bottom end" (crankshaft, main bearings, connecting rods, etc.) would need to be strengthened to handle any performance improvements, and for a Packard V12 you'd almost certainly have to engineer and produce those components yourself from scratch.


I assumed the bottom end would a/the limiting factor for all the reasons you mentioned, even before the rest of the drive train.

Nice to know that the factory motor ( gasp! ) was fairly refined for the time.

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Also the "bottom end" (crankshaft, main bearings, connecting rods, etc.) would need to be strengthened to handle any performance improvements, and for a Packard V12 you'd almost certainly have to engineer and produce those components yourself from scratch.


I assumed the bottom end would a/the limiting factor for all the reasons you mentioned, even before the rest of the drive train.

Nice to know that the factory motor ( gasp! ) was fairly refined for the time.

Oh yeah. A popular trick at the time was to balance a nickel on its edge on a Packard engine while it was running to demonstrate how smoothly it ran.

During a car magazine road test of a 30s Packard published in the 90s, the testers were struck by how much like a modern car the Packard drove, and they compared it very favorably to other cars they'd tested from the same period that made it clear how old they were and how far cars had progressed in the 60 or so years since they were built.

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