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RE: Return of the Mini……?
Posted by: Jerry®
Date: February 15, 2024 09:38AM
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Re: RE: Return of the Mini……?
Posted by: Jerry®
Date: February 15, 2024 09:58AM
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Re: RE: Return of the Mini……?
Posted by: Robert M
Date: February 15, 2024 10:09AM
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Re: RE: Return of the Mini……?
Posted by: Jerry®
Date: February 15, 2024 10:22AM
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Re: RE: Return of the Mini……?
Posted by: PeterW
Date: February 15, 2024 11:07AM
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Re: RE: Return of the Mini……?
Posted by: Fritz
Date: February 15, 2024 11:13AM
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Re: RE: Return of the Mini……?
Posted by: fauch
Date: February 15, 2024 11:18AM
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Re: RE: Return of the Mini……?
Posted by: Jerry®
Date: February 15, 2024 11:24AM
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PeterW
Yeah, your internal drive is toast. It is after all 12 years old. What it’s doing is filling the SATA channel with garbage when the computer tries to read from it leading to all the beach balls. Feel competent enough to remove it from your mini because it’s going to have to come out.
Re: RE: Return of the Mini……?
Posted by: Jerry®
Date: February 15, 2024 11:28AM
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fauch
Mac OS has always been extremely sensitive to I/O errors. It borks the entire system. The HD may be toast. Maybe you can format it using the command line without having to load disc utility.
Re: RE: Return of the Mini……?
Posted by: Jerry®
Date: February 15, 2024 11:35AM
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Re: RE: Return of the Mini……?
Posted by: Fritz
Date: February 15, 2024 11:41AM
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Re: RE: Return of the Mini……?
Posted by: Robert M
Date: February 15, 2024 11:50AM
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Re: RE: Return of the Mini……?
Posted by: Fritz
Date: February 15, 2024 11:56AM
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Re: RE: Return of the Mini……?
Posted by: Jerry®
Date: February 15, 2024 11:58AM
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Fritz
I would think that you could run DU and reformat from the boot stick to test the theory. Should only take a minute or 2 if it accepts the drive.,
Re: RE: Return of the Mini……?
Posted by: Fritz
Date: February 15, 2024 12:08PM
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Re: RE: Return of the Mini……?
Posted by: Black
Date: February 15, 2024 12:23PM
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Re: RE: Return of the Mini……?
Posted by: Jerry®
Date: February 15, 2024 12:27PM
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Black
I've seen this before, would guess many of us have. As long as the internal can be seen it will likely lock up the whole system, won't matter where DU is booted from. I think the harness has to be physically disconnected from the toxic drive. I personally found it really hard to get in and out of my Mac mini for hard drive replacement and ended up trashing the IR harness in the process.
I've never been anywhere near an OS newer than Sierra, but it seems there is a time when the computer is booted successfully? At that point can you try setting the prefs to show all drives on the desktop, then try to unmount the internal from the desktop?
Re: RE: Return of the Mini……?
Posted by: clay
Date: February 15, 2024 12:27PM
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Re: RE: Return of the Mini……?
Posted by: Jerry®
Date: February 15, 2024 12:32PM
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Jerry®
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Black
I've seen this before, would guess many of us have. As long as the internal can be seen it will likely lock up the whole system, won't matter where DU is booted from. I think the harness has to be physically disconnected from the toxic drive. I personally found it really hard to get in and out of my Mac mini for hard drive replacement and ended up trashing the IR harness in the process.
I've never been anywhere near an OS newer than Sierra, but it seems there is a time when the computer is booted successfully? At that point can you try setting the prefs to show all drives on the desktop, then try to unmount the internal from the desktop?
Well, now here’s something weird. I plugged in my Time Machine backup drive, rebooted holding down the OPTION key and it showed my Time Machine drive as one of the bootable drives option. So, I clicked on it and I am waiting to see what happens…….
Re: RE: Return of the Mini……?
Posted by: Black
Date: February 15, 2024 12:36PM
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Jerry®
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Jerry®
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Black
I've seen this before, would guess many of us have. As long as the internal can be seen it will likely lock up the whole system, won't matter where DU is booted from. I think the harness has to be physically disconnected from the toxic drive. I personally found it really hard to get in and out of my Mac mini for hard drive replacement and ended up trashing the IR harness in the process.
I've never been anywhere near an OS newer than Sierra, but it seems there is a time when the computer is booted successfully? At that point can you try setting the prefs to show all drives on the desktop, then try to unmount the internal from the desktop?
Well, now here’s something weird. I plugged in my Time Machine backup drive, rebooted holding down the OPTION key and it showed my Time Machine drive as one of the bootable drives option. So, I clicked on it and I am waiting to see what happens…….
When starting up holding OPTION with my TIme Machine backup drive attached it gave me the option to boot recovery from the Time Machine drive and is currently doing this:
Re: RE: Return of the Mini……?
Posted by: Jerry®
Date: February 15, 2024 12:56PM
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Re: RE: Return of the Mini……?
Posted by: Jerry®
Date: February 15, 2024 01:04PM
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Black
I doubt it will progress beyond that point but happy to be wrong. Do you own a set of computer tools?
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Jerry®
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Jerry®
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Black
I've seen this before, would guess many of us have. As long as the internal can be seen it will likely lock up the whole system, won't matter where DU is booted from. I think the harness has to be physically disconnected from the toxic drive. I personally found it really hard to get in and out of my Mac mini for hard drive replacement and ended up trashing the IR harness in the process.
I've never been anywhere near an OS newer than Sierra, but it seems there is a time when the computer is booted successfully? At that point can you try setting the prefs to show all drives on the desktop, then try to unmount the internal from the desktop?
Well, now here’s something weird. I plugged in my Time Machine backup drive, rebooted holding down the OPTION key and it showed my Time Machine drive as one of the bootable drives option. So, I clicked on it and I am waiting to see what happens…….
When starting up holding OPTION with my TIme Machine backup drive attached it gave me the option to boot recovery from the Time Machine drive and is currently doing this:
Re: RE: Return of the Mini……?
Posted by: hal
Date: February 15, 2024 01:24PM
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Re: RE: Return of the Mini……?
Posted by: Black
Date: February 15, 2024 01:31PM
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Jerry®
Can I replace my 2012’s Fusion Drive with a 1TB SSD? If so, can someone link a compatible option?
Re: RE: Return of the Mini……?
Posted by: clay
Date: February 15, 2024 01:51PM
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hal
Yank the internal drives!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think I've said that several times in previous threads. One or both of them (a fusion drive is 2 drives fused) is toast. Even if they could somehow be resurrected - they are ANCIENT.
You should do this:
remove the internal drives
install a new ssd
boot from installer drive
Install fresh OS
import from time machine
done
Re: RE: Return of the Mini……?
Posted by: Jerry®
Date: February 15, 2024 02:03PM
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Black
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Jerry®
Can I replace my 2012’s Fusion Drive with a 1TB SSD? If so, can someone link a compatible option?
Any of these will work- just avoid the little NVMe sticks.
[www.amazon.com]
Do you own a T6 an d T8 torx wrench?
Re: RE: Return of the Mini……?
Posted by: Robert M
Date: February 15, 2024 02:04PM
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Re: RE: Return of the Mini……?
Posted by: hal
Date: February 15, 2024 02:14PM
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Robert M
Jerry,
I would just disconnect power to the internal fusion drive. That way, it’ll be there but not powering up. Instead of putting in a new internal SSD, go external. The cost will be similar and it’ll be easy to continue to use the drive in the future.
Something like this:
< [www.amazon.com];
You can easily build a frankendrive by installing an internal SSD of any type into an external enclosure. All of my desktops run of external drives. Three use USB drives. One uses a Thunderbolt drive.
Robert
Re: RE: Return of the Mini……?
Posted by: PeterW
Date: February 15, 2024 02:29PM
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Re: RE: Return of the Mini……?
Posted by: Robert M
Date: February 15, 2024 02:29PM
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Re: RE: Return of the Mini……?
Posted by: Black
Date: February 15, 2024 03:04PM
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Re: RE: Return of the Mini……?
Posted by: Robert M
Date: February 15, 2024 03:10PM
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Re: RE: Return of the Mini……?
Posted by: Black
Date: February 15, 2024 03:15PM
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Re: RE: Return of the Mini……?
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: February 15, 2024 05:29PM
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Re: RE: Return of the Mini……?
Posted by: Robert M
Date: February 15, 2024 05:42PM
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Re: RE: Return of the Mini……?
Posted by: Black
Date: February 15, 2024 05:45PM
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Problem is, there is one harness for data and power, and disconnecting it requires basically the same steps as replacing a drive. Having survived this procedure with some wounds, I would not bother getting all the way in to disconnect the cable without swapping the hard drive at that time.Quote
RAMd®d
DU is perplexed because it detects a drive but can't seem to mount it.
So the mini is dead in the water, at this point.
There are two possibilities:
• corrupted OS won't allow the drive to mount.
•severe directory damage won't allow the drive to mount
•there is mechanical damage that won't allow the drive to mount
It would seem fixes are:
•repair OS damage
•repair the directory damage
•cut power to the drive and boot from an external
•remove and replace the drive
I don't know what kind of Geek-Fu would be needed to repair directory damage if the drive won't mount.
That's happened to me a few times, but in every case, after a long bout of beach balling, DU finally mounted, sometimes taking overnight to do so.
Once that happened I'd run DU then DW (DiskWarrior) and eventually all was right with the world.
Barring that, then it would be barring the internal drive.
This demands a level of competency and confidence not to mention having the necessary tools to open and R&R.
I've studied the OWC video regarding adding a drive to my 2012 mini and I won't ever be replacing the internal drive
But I might consider disconnecting a wire, cable, or connector, then running an external, like for ever.
Re: RE: Return of the Mini……?
Posted by: Fritz
Date: February 15, 2024 06:16PM
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Re: RE: Return of the Mini……?
Posted by: rich in distress
Date: February 15, 2024 06:30PM
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Re: RE: Return of the Mini……?
Posted by: Tiangou
Date: February 15, 2024 07:26PM
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Re: RE: Return of the Mini……?
Posted by: Harbourmaster
Date: February 15, 2024 08:44PM
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Re: RE: Return of the Mini……?
Posted by: Black
Date: February 15, 2024 11:12PM
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Re: RE: Return of the Mini……?
Posted by: Jerry®
Date: February 16, 2024 08:30AM
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Re: RE: Return of the Mini……?
Posted by: Jerry®
Date: February 16, 2024 08:30AM
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Black
Let's not force Jerry to have to keep reminding us that he doesn't have extra money laying around for such purchases.Quote
Harbourmaster
JUST replace the drive and be done!
Re: RE: Return of the Mini……?
Posted by: Jerry®
Date: February 16, 2024 08:31AM
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Harbourmaster
Could have yanked the internals and replaced them with an SSD... reloaded the OS AND recovered everything else from the TM drive in the amount of time you have wasted futzing with this thing Jerry.
JUST replace the drive and be done!
Re: RE: Return of the Mini……?
Posted by: Jerry®
Date: February 16, 2024 08:32AM
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Tiangou
If you want a definitive answer, you can run a SMART check on the internal SSH and hard drive that together make up the Fusion drive.
While booted from the USB drive and connected to your home network, download and run SMART Utility.
It will provide you with a pass/fail message for each internal drive. It doesn't poll the same way that the Disk Utility does, so it *probably* won't stall when it examines those drives.
Re: RE: Return of the Mini……?
Posted by: Jerry®
Date: February 16, 2024 08:32AM
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Fritz
15 votes for replace.
it's not that hard. gather tools.
preview the vid a few times.
pick a quiet well lit area with no furry beats nearby.
go slow, vid at hand on phone or other.
SSD for sure.
“Don't be a luddy-duddy! Don't be a mooncalf! Don't be a jabbernowl! You're not those, are you?” WC Fields
Re: RE: Return of the Mini……?
Posted by: Jerry®
Date: February 16, 2024 08:33AM
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RAMd®d
DU is perplexed because it detects a drive but can't seem to mount it.
So the mini is dead in the water, at this point.
There are two possibilities:
• corrupted OS won't allow the drive to mount.
•severe directory damage won't allow the drive to mount
•there is mechanical damage that won't allow the drive to mount
It would seem fixes are:
•repair OS damage
•repair the directory damage
•cut power to the drive and boot from an external
•remove and replace the drive
I don't know what kind of Geek-Fu would be needed to repair directory damage if the drive won't mount.
That's happened to me a few times, but in every case, after a long bout of beach balling, DU finally mounted, sometimes taking overnight to do so.
Once that happened I'd run DU then DW (DiskWarrior) and eventually all was right with the world.
Barring that, then it would be barring the internal drive.
This demands a level of competency and confidence not to mention having the necessary tools to open and R&R.
I've studied the OWC video regarding adding a drive to my 2012 mini and I won't ever be replacing the internal drive
But I might consider disconnecting a wire, cable, or connector, then running an external, like for ever.
Re: RE: Return of the Mini……?
Posted by: Jerry®
Date: February 16, 2024 08:36AM
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Black
I have an unused 500 GB Samsung SSD I can send you... looks like it was my boot drive until 2017 or so.
There's a 1 TB Crucial for $70 in stock at Best Buy in Davenport, also a 1 TB Samsung for $75.
Re: RE: Return of the Mini……?
Posted by: Jerry®
Date: February 16, 2024 08:39AM
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Robert M
Hal,
We’ll have to agree to disagree. I’ve run desktops off externals for years now. The drive from amazon in my previous is compatible. Just use a USB-C to USB A cable or a USB-C to USB A adapter. It probably comes with a cable with USB-C on one end and USB-C and a USB A adapter on the other. It's pretty common now.
BTW, that was just one example. I’d bulld a drive from an NVME stick and a box. It’ll cost a little more but the drive will have increased longevity and be faster with newer machines. Here are some examples:
[www.amazon.com]
[www.amazon.com]
Drop a stick like one of those (or another NVME model) into a box like this:
[www.amazon.com]
[www.amazon.com]
Use the drive with the Mini. When the mini is replaced, continue using the drive with a newer machine.
FWIW, I just used an adapter to install a KingSpec mSATA stick into an Early 2013 MBPr. First time using a stick from Kingspec. Can't complain so far. Got a 2TB stick for about $80.
Key, though, is at the least opening the Mini and disconnecting its internal drive to ensure it no longer causes problems. Once that is done, Jerry can decide whether or not to replace it or leave there and go with an external.
IF Jerry doesn't have the proper kit, one along these lines will work:
[www.amazon.com]
I'd also invest in a magnetic mat like this:
[www.amazon.com]
I use the kit and mat anytime I work on electronics. Broke them out to install the new SSD into the MBPr a couple of weeks ago. Well worth the bucks!
Robert
Re: RE: Return of the Mini……?
Posted by: Robert M
Date: February 16, 2024 09:19AM
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