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It has begun!! Operation Mini Resurrection - I have it open!
Posted by: Jerry®
Date: February 25, 2024 09:18AM




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Re: It has begun!! Operation Mini Resurrection - I have it open!
Posted by: sekker
Date: February 25, 2024 09:24AM
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Re: It has begun!! Operation Mini Resurrection - I have it open!
Posted by: Jerry®
Date: February 25, 2024 09:27AM
WAIT!!!! So, i got to the part where I removed the drive but it's different than in the OWC video - I removed the 128GB SSD drive but the 1TB platter drive is still down in there. How do I remove it??? It doesn't show how to remove both drives in the OWC video

The Fusion Drive is NOT ONE module as I had been told. There are two separate drives……????? Do I have to remove the whole logic board to pull the platter drive out???

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Re: It has begun!! Operation Mini Resurrection - I have it open!
Posted by: rouderon
Date: February 25, 2024 09:44AM
You will definitely have to pull out the logic board. Follow this iFixit guide: [www.ifixit.com]

You should also watch a YouTube video of someone doing this, as well, to get a better grasp on how to do it. It’s not hard, you just want to be ginger with removing it.
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Re: It has begun!! Operation Mini Resurrection - I have it open!
Posted by: Jerry®
Date: February 25, 2024 09:50AM
Here’s where I’m stuck now - this is a video I just made:



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Re: It has begun!! Operation Mini Resurrection - I have it open!
Posted by: PeterW
Date: February 25, 2024 09:53AM
Don’t get stuck. Is the SATA connecter unplugged? If so, button it back up and use the SSD externally. You can worry about microseconds of difference later, after the mini is working again.
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Re: It has begun!! Operation Mini Resurrection - I have it open!
Posted by: Jerry®
Date: February 25, 2024 09:56AM
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Don’t get stuck. Is the SATA connecter unplugged? If so, button it back up and use the SSD externally. You can worry about microseconds of difference later, after the mini is working again.

But dont I have to disconnect the platter drive as well before I button it back up? See this short video I made

[vimeo.com]



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Re: It has begun!! Operation Mini Resurrection - I have it open!
Posted by: pdq
Date: February 25, 2024 10:01AM
It shouldn’t be too hard- I did it with my Mini some years ago. Follow rouderon’s ifixit guide.

Do you know which original drive went bad - the spinny or the SSD? You don’t need either, with the 960GB SSD, but you can put the good (original) drive (if you know which is good) in the other space.
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Re: It has begun!! Operation Mini Resurrection - I have it open!
Posted by: Jerry®
Date: February 25, 2024 10:03AM
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It shouldn’t be too hard- I did it with my Mini some years ago. Follow rouderon’s ifixit guide.

Do you know which original drive went bad - the spinny or the SSD? You don’t need either, with the 960GB SSD, but you can put the good (original) drive (if you know which is good) in the other space.

I dont know which drive went bad. I have removed the 128GB SSD but it looks like I have to remove the whole logic board to get the platter drive out too. Or can I keep it in but disconnect it somehow???


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Re: It has begun!! Operation Mini Resurrection - I have it open
Posted by: pdq
Date: February 25, 2024 10:04AM
Dunno. Seriously, look at the ifixit page. They’re generally excellent.

Edit: or…

just put your “new” 960GB SSD drive in the bay you now have access to. Reassemble. Reboot from an external drive, or a USB installer, or one of the Mac recovery options. Then you’ll have access to Disk Utility, and you may be able to see the original drive you left in. (If it’s dead, it probably won’t appear in Disk Utility, but I think you should be able to leave the dead drive in place.) If it’s alive, and was configured as a Fusion Drive, you’ll probably have to erase it.

I presume you will want to install a fresh copy of the MacOSX on the new 960GB drive. Then you’ll have two separate drives, with a larger amount of total space (either 960+1000GB, or 960+128GB).

Alternately, you might be able to do a Fusion Drive again (a single logical volume) that appears like one, larger drive to the system and on your desktop. If so, do that before you fresh install MacOSX.

Do you have a separate backup of your original drive contents before the old setup died?



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Re: It has begun!! Operation Mini Resurrection - I have it open!
Posted by: gadje
Date: February 25, 2024 10:07AM
The Fusion Drive is NOT ONE module as I had been told. There are two separate drives……????? Do I have to remove the whole logic board to pull the platter drive out???


Didn't I make this clear in the other thread yesterday?

Fusion is a combination of SSD and HD.

Just replace both with a single LARGER SSD.
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Re: It has begun!! Operation Mini Resurrection - I have it open!
Posted by: Jerry®
Date: February 25, 2024 10:09AM
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Dunno. Seriously, look at the ifixit page. They’re generally excellent.

I AM following the iFxit instructions. And to remove both drives I have to pull the logic board out. I am wondering if I can keep the platter drive in there but disconnected so I dont have to pull the logic board out?



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Re: It has begun!! Operation Mini Resurrection - I have it open!
Posted by: gadje
Date: February 25, 2024 10:10AM
OWC has excellent videos on this topic, I am not sure what is unclear.

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That video should show you how to get to the second drive.

But I would suggest to leave the second drive in, the hard drive and use it as additional storage.

That is how I have my mini set up; 1 TB SSD and 1 TB Spinner.
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Re: It has begun!! Operation Mini Resurrection - I have it open!
Posted by: Jerry®
Date: February 25, 2024 10:11AM
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The Fusion Drive is NOT ONE module as I had been told. There are two separate drives……????? Do I have to remove the whole logic board to pull the platter drive out???


Didn't I make this clear in the other thread yesterday?

Fusion is a combination of SSD and HD.

Just replace both with a single LARGER SSD.

Yes, but the instructions I’m following from OWC and iFixit are different - the iFixit instructions say I have to remove the logic board to get both drives out. I thought the Fusion Drives would both come out without removing the logic board.....



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Re: It has begun!! Operation Mini Resurrection - I have it open!
Posted by: gadje
Date: February 25, 2024 10:12AM
There is no "Fusion Drive". Now a Physical drive.

It is a "concept" of fusing an SSD and a HD, Two Separate Physical Drives.
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Re: It has begun!! Operation Mini Resurrection - I have it open!
Posted by: Jerry®
Date: February 25, 2024 10:12AM
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OWC has excellent videos on this topic, I am not sure what is unclear.

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That video should show you how to get to the second drive.

But I would suggest to leave the second drive in, the hard drive and use it as additional storage.

That is how I have my mini set up; 1 TB SSD and 1 TB Spinner.

The problem being I dont know which of the drives are bad - the 1TB spinner and/or the 128GB SSD. So I was going to remove both and just put the 980GB SSD in where the 128GB SSD was



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Re: It has begun!! Operation Mini Resurrection - I have it open!
Posted by: gadje
Date: February 25, 2024 10:13AM
Forget about the whole Fusion thing, just replace the small SSD (128) with the larger SSD from Robert. Keep the HD in there, unless it is damaged.
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Re: It has begun!! Operation Mini Resurrection - I have it open!
Posted by: gadje
Date: February 25, 2024 10:13AM
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OWC has excellent videos on this topic, I am not sure what is unclear.

[eshop.macsales.com]

That video should show you how to get to the second drive.

But I would suggest to leave the second drive in, the hard drive and use it as additional storage.

That is how I have my mini set up; 1 TB SSD and 1 TB Spinner.

The problem being I dont know which of the drives are bad - the 1TB spinner and/or the 128GB SSD. So I was going to remove both and just put the 980GB SSD in where the 128GB SSD was

Ah, OK. You can leave the1 TB HD in there but disconnected if you want to save some trouble.
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Re: It has begun!! Operation Mini Resurrection - I have it open!
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Date: February 25, 2024 10:14AM
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There is no "Fusion Drive". Now a Physical drive.

It is a "concept" of fusing an SSD and a HD, Two Separate Physical Drives.


I understand that. If both drives in my mini are bad, both have to be removed correct? And then once removed I can pop in the 980GB SSD Robert sent me?



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Re: It has begun!! Operation Mini Resurrection - I have it open!
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Date: February 25, 2024 10:15AM
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OWC has excellent videos on this topic, I am not sure what is unclear.

[eshop.macsales.com]

That video should show you how to get to the second drive.

But I would suggest to leave the second drive in, the hard drive and use it as additional storage.

That is how I have my mini set up; 1 TB SSD and 1 TB Spinner.

The problem being I dont know which of the drives are bad - the 1TB spinner and/or the 128GB SSD. So I was going to remove both and just put the 980GB SSD in where the 128GB SSD was

Ah, OK. You can leave the1 TB HD in there but disconnected if you want to save some trouble.


YES!! OK yeah that’s what I was wondering. Thank you!!!



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Re: It has begun!! Operation Mini Resurrection - I have it open!
Posted by: gadje
Date: February 25, 2024 10:16AM
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Re: It has begun!! Operation Mini Resurrection - I have it open!
Posted by: Jerry®
Date: February 25, 2024 10:19AM
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welcome


Is this the cable to the spinner that I just unplug? It’s a little unclear in the instructions online







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Re: It has begun!! Operation Mini Resurrection - I have it open!
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Date: February 25, 2024 10:26AM
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OWC has excellent videos on this topic, I am not sure what is unclear.

[eshop.macsales.com]

That video should show you how to get to the second drive.

But I would suggest to leave the second drive in, the hard drive and use it as additional storage.

That is how I have my mini set up; 1 TB SSD and 1 TB Spinner.

The problem being I dont know which of the drives are bad - the 1TB spinner and/or the 128GB SSD. So I was going to remove both and just put the 980GB SSD in where the 128GB SSD was

Ah, OK. You can leave the1 TB HD in there but disconnected if you want to save some trouble.


So, do I have to remove the logic board to unplug the spinner drive as it shows in the OWC videos and on I iFixit or can I simply unplug it from the logic board and leave it in? If so, is this the cable that I unplug?






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Re: It has begun!! Operation Mini Resurrection - I have it open!
Posted by: gadje
Date: February 25, 2024 10:28AM
That is the power supply connector to the Logic board.

You only need to disconnect the SATA connector

[youtu.be]

Figure out which one is from the top and which one is from the bottom drive (as you have it upside down). Leave the cable disconnected.

Looking at this video, it seems the connector on the LEFT is for the top (1st) drive, the SSD, which you want to connect, and the connector on the RIGHT is fir the bottom (2nd) drive, the HD, which you want to leave disconnected.

[youtu.be]

Just be careful how you connect the Airport cable back, that COAX connector is small, and also how you put the grille, it's hard to slide in, I don't recall the details but I think there is a small tab that has to go under the edge and that is what took me a few minutes to get right when I did this surgery.
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Re: It has begun!! Operation Mini Resurrection - I have it open!
Posted by: gadje
Date: February 25, 2024 10:29AM
You should stream this LIVE on Youtube so we could all get some entertainment out of it and leave comments in REAL TIME

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Re: It has begun!! Operation Mini Resurrection - I have it open!
Posted by: Jerry®
Date: February 25, 2024 10:32AM
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You should stream this LIVE on Youtube so we could all get some entertainment out of it and leave comments in REAL TIME

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LOL good idea - I actually was thinking about doing that



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Re: It has begun!! Operation Mini Resurrection - I have it open
Posted by: pdq
Date: February 25, 2024 10:37AM
I know this multiple-advice thing is confusing, but see my edit above.

The lower drive is may still be good, and he’d be essentially throwing that away if he disconnected it. If it’s the 128 SSD, no big deal, but if it’s the 1TB spinny, that’d be a lot of extra room for pix, music, video, or a backup, etc.

So I’d say don’t disconnect the lower drive now; install the new 960 in the upper drive bay, and reboot in recovery mode. See if the lower drive is seen; if it is, erase it, and you either have a second (internal) drive, or put them together into a Fusion Drive (which Disk Utility used to be able to do at least).

If the lower drive is truly dead, you can still open in back up and disconnect it, if y’all think this is necessary. He’s opened the Mini once, and now he knows how- reopening will take 5 minutes.
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Re: It has begun!! Operation Mini Resurrection - I have it open
Posted by: Jerry®
Date: February 25, 2024 10:45AM
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Dunno. Seriously, look at the ifixit page. They’re generally excellent.

Edit: or…

just put your “new” 960GB SSD drive in the bay you now have access to. Reassemble. Reboot from an external drive, or a USB installer, or one of the Mac recovery options. Then you’ll have access to Disk Utility, and you may be able to see the original drive you left in. (If it’s dead, it probably won’t appear in Disk Utility, but I think you should be able to leave the dead drive in place.) If it’s alive, and was configured as a Fusion Drive, you’ll probably have to erase it.

I presume you will want to install a fresh copy of the MacOSX on the new 960GB drive. Then you’ll have two separate drives, with a larger amount of total space (either 960+1000GB, or 960+128GB).

Alternately, you might be able to do a Fusion Drive again (a single logical volume) that appears like one, larger drive to the system and on your desktop. If so, do that before you fresh install MacOSX.

Do you have a separate backup of your original drive contents before the old setup died?


My backup is a Time Machine backup. SO, if I am understanding you correctly I can keep the 1TB spinner in and connected, connect the 980GB SSD where the 128GB SSD was, put it all back together and see if the 1TB Spinner is dead or alive. If dead I can just leave it in and use the 980GB SSD has the main drive? OR if the 1TB spinner drive IS dead, do I need to open it back up and disconnect it and leave it in? Here's a picture of what I believe are the connectors for each drive - so if the 1TB Spinner is truly dead, I would unplug it (the part I am holding in the picture) and just leave it in?





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Re: It has begun!! Operation Mini Resurrection - I have it open
Posted by: gadje
Date: February 25, 2024 10:56AM
If the HD failed, it may or may not affect the rest of the machine. I don't think we can tell until you try it.

Did you ever try to boot from an external HD and see what Disk Utility says about the internal drives?
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Re: It has begun!! Operation Mini Resurrection - I have it open!
Posted by: Fritz
Date: February 25, 2024 11:06AM
I like the OWC vid better. Hot babes.

Whatever do you, don't leave the forceps in the patient.

And a sacrifice to Hephaestus.



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Re: It has begun!! Operation Mini Resurrection - I have it open!
Posted by: pqrst
Date: February 25, 2024 11:56AM
Which model is this? I have a server version and out one of hd and replaced it with a ssd. So it is set up as a ssd boot drive and a data hd. No fusion involved.
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Re: It has begun!! Operation Mini Resurrection - I have it open
Posted by: Jerry®
Date: February 25, 2024 12:36PM
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If the HD failed, it may or may not affect the rest of the machine. I don't think we can tell until you try it.

Did you ever try to boot from an external HD and see what Disk Utility says about the internal drives?

So, I got it all back together and booted it from a thumb drive - but now it's only trying to install macOS - I got to disk utility and it shows the NEW Micron drive and the thumb drive but after closing disk utility it asks where I want to install macOS and the only drive it gives as an option is the thumb drive which it say doesnt have enough space (of course). So, in disk utility it's NOT showing my spinner that I left in there plugged in. Only the new 980GB SSD I just put it......so what do I do next? Here are some photos

When I booted it up I held down OPTION but it didnt show me the various drives it jsut went straight to the installer.....?








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Re: It has begun!! Operation Mini Resurrection - I have it open!
Posted by: gadje
Date: February 25, 2024 12:37PM
he has the 2012 dual drive model. It came with "Fusion", not sure if that's the same thing as the "server model" or not, probably the hardware is almost indetical except they populated with a SSD and HD combo versus 2 HD as in the original server model.
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Re: It has begun!! Operation Mini Resurrection - I have it open
Posted by: Fritz
Date: February 25, 2024 12:39PM
go back to DU and see if perhaps you may need to reformat, even though pretty sure Robert sent you formatted.

If that don't work, hate to say it, may have to at least disconnect the spinner.

You do realize that everyone here is gonna send you their minis to service since you'll be a highfalutin tech.



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Re: It has begun!! Operation Mini Resurrection - I have it open
Posted by: Jerry®
Date: February 25, 2024 12:43PM
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go back to DU and see if perhaps you may need to reformat, even though pretty sure Robert sent you formatted.

If that don't work, hate to say it, may have to at least disconnect the spinner.

Why isn't it booting into the OS on the thumb drive? I thought If Disk Utility sees the new drive I could boot from the thumb drive and install it on the new SSD.....or am I missing a step?



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Re: It has begun!! Operation Mini Resurrection - I have it open
Posted by: gadje
Date: February 25, 2024 12:45PM
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go back to DU and see if perhaps you may need to reformat, even though pretty sure Robert sent you formatted.

If that don't work, hate to say it, may have to at least disconnect the spinner.

Why isn't it booting into the OS on the thumb drive? I thought If Disk Utility sees the new drive I could boot from the thumb drive and install it on the new SSD.....or am I missing a step?

I don't think there is a full OS on the thumb drive. I think it's only an installer (and recovery options). And it appears that you are booted from the thumb drive. That VendorCo is the thumb drive.



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Re: It has begun!! Operation Mini Resurrection - I have it open
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Date: February 25, 2024 12:47PM
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go back to DU and see if perhaps you may need to reformat, even though pretty sure Robert sent you formatted.

If that don't work, hate to say it, may have to at least disconnect the spinner.

Why isn't it booting into the OS on the thumb drive? I thought If Disk Utility sees the new drive I could boot from the thumb drive and install it on the new SSD.....or am I missing a step?

I don't think there is a full OS on the thumb drive. I think it's only an installer (and recovery options). And it appears that you are booted from the thumb drive. That VendorCo is the thumb drive.

So, how do I get the thumb drive installer to install the OS on the new SSD?



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Re: It has begun!! Operation Mini Resurrection - I have it open
Posted by: Fritz
Date: February 25, 2024 12:52PM
Jerry, my man, please go back and read the 1st 2 lines of my previous.



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Date: February 25, 2024 12:54PM
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go back to DU and see if perhaps you may need to reformat, even though pretty sure Robert sent you formatted.

If that don't work, hate to say it, may have to at least disconnect the spinner.

Why isn't it booting into the OS on the thumb drive? I thought If Disk Utility sees the new drive I could boot from the thumb drive and install it on the new SSD.....or am I missing a step?

I don't think there is a full OS on the thumb drive. I think it's only an installer (and recovery options). And it appears that you are booted from the thumb drive. That VendorCo is the thumb drive.

OMG! I got to disk utility and reformatted the new SSD and rebooted and the new SSD showed up as an availble ddrive to install the oS and is installing as we speak!!!!



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Re: It has begun!! Operation Mini Resurrection - I have it open
Posted by: Jerry®
Date: February 25, 2024 12:56PM
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go back to DU and see if perhaps you may need to reformat, even though pretty sure Robert sent you formatted.

If that don't work, hate to say it, may have to at least disconnect the spinner.

You do realize that everyone here is gonna send you their minis to service since you'll be a highfalutin tech.

Yup so I got to DU again and reformatted the new SSD and rebooted and the new SSD showed up as an available drive to install the OS - and it's installing right now!!! YAY!!! So, since DU didnt show the spinner that I kept in the machine can I just leave it in or should I remove it?



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Re: It has begun!! Operation Mini Resurrection - I have it open
Posted by: Jerry®
Date: February 25, 2024 01:05PM
So it’s installing El Captain on the new SSD. My last Time Machine backup was using High Sierra I think - or whichever os late 2012 minis could run? So, when I get the os installed on the new SSD do I need to update the OS before attempting a restore/migration from my TIme Machine backup?



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Re: It has begun!! Operation Mini Resurrection - I have it open
Posted by: Fritz
Date: February 25, 2024 01:06PM
speaking strictly as a tech, not from any experience inside that pertic'lur mini, I'd remove it.
But if that seems too daunting to go again, you're prolly OK.



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Posted by: Fritz
Date: February 25, 2024 01:12PM
says in MacTracker you can go to 10.15.7 - Catalina.
As far as the update before TM, I would try without first and see if it flies.
If not, you know your way back and can update.

I suspect some apps won't work, but hopefully, with an update after the TM, all will be back to normal in 2012.



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Posted by: gadje
Date: February 25, 2024 01:12PM
2012 can run Catalina without hacks.
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Posted by: Jerry®
Date: February 25, 2024 01:13PM
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speaking strictly as a tech, not from any experience inside that pertic'lur mini, I'd remove it.
But if that seems too daunting to go again, you're prolly OK.

OK good to know. IT would have been awesome if the old spinner drive in there was actually recoverable…..and now that I think about it - when I put the mini back together the spinner SATA connection was a little loose…so I may open it back up and check to see if the SATA cable to the spinner is still connected or not. But, I dont think I want to remove it either way because I'd have to remove the whole logic board to do so.

QUESTION: It's installing El Capitan on the new SSD but right before my mini died it was using the latest version of High Sierra. So, do I need to update the OS before attempting to restore from my TIme Machine backup?



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Date: February 25, 2024 01:14PM
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says in MacTracker you can go to 10.15.7 - Catalina.
As far as the update before TM, I would try without first and see if it flies.
If not, you know your way back and can update.


Ok cool. Thanks for all your help though this ordeal. Much appreciated!



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Re: It has begun!! Operation Mini Resurrection - I have it open
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Date: February 25, 2024 01:14PM
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Re: It has begun!! Operation Mini Resurrection - I have it open
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Date: February 25, 2024 01:14PM
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2012 can run Catalina without hacks.

Ok cool - thanks for your help through all this!! I appreciate it !



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Date: February 25, 2024 01:15PM
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Date: February 25, 2024 01:15PM
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"Somehow, I am afraid that you will screw this up... Good Luck and Godspeed"

So far I haven't screwed anything up! The hardest part (opening the mini and swapping out the drive) is over. Now I just have to see if I can restore my Time Machine backup!



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