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Airtag- how have they been useful for you
Posted by: Black
Date: November 13, 2024 01:07PM
Interested in anecdotes of how Airtags have been useful for people, thanks. My brother gave me one (or something similar) years ago and I never used it, but wondering about having one in my instrument case etc.
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Re: Airtag- how have they been useful for you
Posted by: Gareth
Date: November 13, 2024 01:17PM
The one time I really needed it to work, it was frustratingly annoying. Wife lost a car key (in the house) and I had to wander through the house multiple times before my phone connected to the AirTag (probably the 3rd time I was in the garage it finally connected, despite standing 10-15 ft away from the AirTag every time I was in the garage).

I use them pretty frequently to figure out where the cats are. Again, they're not particularly useful until you're in the same room as the item, and you really want an Ultra Wideband compatible phone if you're looking for something small. I've removed the speakers from the cats' AirTags, so I need an UW phone to find them, but I also find the speaker to be pretty weak so it can be hard to hear and hard to localize even when you can hear it.

Haven't had to look for something "out in the wild" (i.e. losing keys on a random sidewalk, or airline losing luggage).
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Re: Airtag- how have they been useful for you
Posted by: Forrest
Date: November 13, 2024 01:21PM
Leave an AirTag in your car, to locate it in a parking lot.

Leave an AirTag in luggage, to track it.



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Re: Airtag- how have they been useful for you
Posted by: Michael
Date: November 13, 2024 01:23PM
The best use we've had is in luggage when traveling international. It's comforting to see your bag appear in an airport after crossing the Atlantic and waiting for a connecting flight. One less thing to worry about.

Maybe the funniest use was when we got back from one of those international flights and everybody was waiting at the labelled luggage return carousel. No bags came up. After a while I saw that that our Airtag was 50 yards away and saw a bunch of bags coming out of a different carousel that didn't have any flights indicated on the screen. I wandered down there, collected our bags and brought them back and told the others to check at that carousel. Off they went!

We also each have one on our keys. I carry my keys and so never lose them. My wife puts hers, well, in a variety of places. About once a month she checks for where they are on her iPhone.
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Re: Airtag- how have they been useful for you
Posted by: hal
Date: November 13, 2024 01:33PM
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Michael
I carry my keys and so never lose them.

I'm not gonna ask where you put them when you shower...
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Re: Airtag- how have they been useful for you
Posted by: special
Date: November 13, 2024 01:39PM
My kid has one in his backpack, in the unlikely even he forgets the phone at home, or if his iPhone dies, at least I can track him as he goes to school or comes home in the afternoon.

Also as mentioned before, luggage, etc.
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Re: Airtag- how have they been useful for you
Posted by: special
Date: November 13, 2024 01:40PM
you can also hide one in a cookie to give your ex and stalk her for a day or so until she poops it out
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Re: Airtag- how have they been useful for you
Posted by: gabester
Date: November 13, 2024 01:40PM
I have been tempted to use an AirTag:

in the frame of my favorite bike
glued to the expensive to replace car keys/fobs

Unfortunately a family member successfully lost AirPods Pro in a large building so the Find My functionality was useless... but the damn headphones I keep misplacing would be useful if they had this capability.


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Re: Airtag- how have they been useful for you
Posted by: steve...
Date: November 13, 2024 01:45PM
Have not been particularly useful... yet.

In the past I had a car and a bicycle stolen so now have them both. Gives me a little peace of mind.



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Re: Airtag- how have they been useful for you
Posted by: Gareth
Date: November 13, 2024 01:58PM
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gabester
Unfortunately a family member successfully lost AirPods Pro in a large building so the Find My functionality was useless... but the damn headphones I keep misplacing would be useful if they had this capability.

I'm curious if they tried to put them in "Lost Mode" (so that if anyone else came across them, the finder could get the contact info of the owner).

Or if anyone else has had success with lost mode?
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Re: Airtag- how have they been useful for you
Posted by: hal
Date: November 13, 2024 02:02PM
great idea for a thread - I've been pondering how much value these things might offer me...
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Re: Airtag- how have they been useful for you
Posted by: Tiangou
Date: November 13, 2024 02:14PM
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Forrest
Leave an AirTag in your car, to locate it in a parking lot.

Leave an AirTag in luggage, to track it.

I've got a bunch of them.

I have one in my car. I have one for luggage. I keep a couple in my gear bag to track the bag, and to track a little pouch inside the bag that I've misplaced a few times. I put some in with my tools and computer-gear when I moved.

But so far the only time I've needed to use one was when I forgot where I parked in a 9-story parking structure.


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Re: Airtag- how have they been useful for you
Posted by: Rick-o
Date: November 13, 2024 02:26PM
I bought them for my sister's 11 cats (eek2 smiley) when she moved in a few years ago. Mixed results using them this way. When a cat came up missing, I could track them somewhat, but here in a small rural town, the results would always be at least an hour off. I could go to where the cat was, but being a cat, they never would come when called. They did come in handy when she wanted to do a head check. If she was missing one, I could see if they were in the house.


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Re: Airtag- how have they been useful for you
Posted by: Blankity Blank
Date: November 13, 2024 02:27PM
Anybody use them as a precaution against a pet getting out of the yard?

There's a pooch where I live that's done a Papillon a couple of times. He's been no further than a block or two away before he's found.

I'm just wondering about the efficacy if he were at large long enough to get say four or five blocks away. How close would we have to get to him before he would ping us?


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Re: Airtag- how have they been useful for you
Posted by: mattkime
Date: November 13, 2024 03:10PM
Keys, wallet, backpacks, car, bikes, robot lawnmower, cats.


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Re: Airtag- how have they been useful for you
Posted by: macphanatic
Date: November 13, 2024 03:17PM
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Forrest
Leave an AirTag in your car, to locate it in a parking lot.

Leave an AirTag in luggage, to track it.

If you have an iPhone, it will track you back to your car without an AirTag. The challenge is multistory garages.

Not sure what the AirTag range is but I think that there have to be active phones near the AirTag in order to get location information from it.

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Michael
The best use we've had is in luggage when traveling international. It's comforting to see your bag appear in an airport after crossing the Atlantic and waiting for a connecting flight. One less thing to worry about.

Maybe the funniest use was when we got back from one of those international flights and everybody was waiting at the labelled luggage return carousel. No bags came up. After a while I saw that that our Airtag was 50 yards away and saw a bunch of bags coming out of a different carousel that didn't have any flights indicated on the screen. I wandered down there, collected our bags and brought them back and told the others to check at that carousel. Off they went!

We also each have one on our keys. I carry my keys and so never lose them. My wife puts hers, well, in a variety of places. About once a month she checks for where they are on her iPhone.

I put one in every travel bag. I agree that it's neat to watch a checked bag go thru the airport and onto the plane. I also put one in my accessory bag that has cables, chargers, etc. I often leave a hotel in the wee hours and don't want to forget something like that.
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Re: Airtag- how have they been useful for you
Posted by: Black
Date: November 13, 2024 03:36PM
Looks like 2 people actually read the question. So... apparently not particularly useful.
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Re: Airtag- how have they been useful for you
Posted by: Robert M
Date: November 13, 2024 04:01PM
Black,

My uses for airtags:

A. One in each of my bags when traveling, i.e. suitcase, carry-on, etc.
B. One in my daily bag, i.e. satchel, backpack
C. One attached to my keys
D. One in my car

For my wife:

A. One in each of her bags when traveling, i.e. suitcase, carry-on, etc.
B. One in her daily bag, i.e. satchel, backpack
C. One in her purse
C. One attached to her keys
D. One in her car

For Little M

A. One in each of her bags when traveling, i.e. suitcase, carry-on, etc.
B. One in her backpack
C. One attached to her at certain times (Sounds crazy but it isn't! Not while in an airport, amusement park, etc.)

If I had a dog or a cat, I'd absolutely attach an airtag to his/her collar.

I think the most important feature of an airtag is piece of mind. It's incredibly nice knowing I can track and, hopefully, find any of my possessions that has an airtag attached to it. I tracked all of our bags while traveling, tracked my keys a handful of times and my wife's car once in a ginormous parking garage.

I hope I _never_ have to track the airtag I give Little M when we're traveling and/or at a place like an amusement park or county fair. I've no doubt I'll be grateful she has one if the worst should ever happen.

Robert
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Re: Airtag- how have they been useful for you
Posted by: bhaveshp
Date: November 13, 2024 04:14PM
Mine was very useful to track down my missing luggage at an airport this summer. We were late to the luggage carousel and my bag never came out.

Pulled up FindMy and the app shows the bag about 50 yards away at the curb. I walk out there and see a lady sitting on the bag waiting for her ride. After I claimed my bag, she panics about her bag and runs back inside.

The airtag prevented a lost bag situation at the start of a trip. I have 8 of them is various bags, backpacks, bikes etc.
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Re: Airtag- how have they been useful for you
Posted by: Gareth
Date: November 13, 2024 04:18PM
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Blankity Blank
I'm just wondering about the efficacy if he were at large long enough to get say four or five blocks away. How close would we have to get to him before he would ping us?

You have to be within "bluetooth" range before the AirTag features (precision finding or making a noise) work. As noted in my previous post, inside a house, I basically have to be in the same room as the AirTag. Otherwise, you're just dependent on the last location from the last time the AirTag connected to an iOS device. Since a dog is more likely to come when called, just getting in the area might be enough.

But, connecting to an AirTag "out in the wild" is not easy. I stuck one in my wife's running pouch once and "used it" to try and find her after a half marathon. On an open beach, I spotted her myself before the AirTag ever connected to my phone.

If you actually want to track a pet in real time that is prone to getting out, you really need a GPS collar, but these usually have subscription fees, but the biggest drawback is the battery life. They have to be charged every few days to a week, depending on how often you have them set to update their location. Maybe some of them can be set to a longer duration and remotely switch to "live tracking" when needed, but it's not something I've looked into.
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Re: Airtag- how have they been useful for you
Posted by: mattkime
Date: November 13, 2024 04:51PM
>If you actually want to track a pet in real time that is prone to getting out, you really need a GPS collar, but these usually have subscription fees, but the biggest drawback is the battery life.

Depends upon how far the pet goes. Most house cats hunker down near home.
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Re: Airtag- how have they been useful for you
Posted by: Black
Date: November 13, 2024 05:00PM
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Robert M
Black,

My uses for airtags:

A. One in each of my bags when traveling, i.e. suitcase, carry-on, etc.
B. One in my daily bag, i.e. satchel, backpack
C. One attached to my keys
D. One in my car

For my wife:

A. One in each of her bags when traveling, i.e. suitcase, carry-on, etc.
B. One in her daily bag, i.e. satchel, backpack
C. One in her purse
C. One attached to her keys
D. One in her car

For Little M

A. One in each of her bags when traveling, i.e. suitcase, carry-on, etc.
B. One in her backpack
C. One attached to her at certain times (Sounds crazy but it isn't! Not while in an airport, amusement park, etc.)

If I had a dog or a cat, I'd absolutely attach an airtag to his/her collar.

I think the most important feature of an airtag is piece of mind. It's incredibly nice knowing I can track and, hopefully, find any of my possessions that has an airtag attached to it. I tracked all of our bags while traveling, tracked my keys a handful of times and my wife's car once in a ginormous parking garage.

I hope I _never_ have to track the airtag I give Little M when we're traveling and/or at a place like an amusement park or county fair. I've no doubt I'll be grateful she has one if the worst should ever happen.

Robert
Thanks- -was asking how they have been useful, not how people use them.



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Re: Airtag- how have they been useful for you
Posted by: Black
Date: November 13, 2024 05:02PM
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bhaveshp
Mine was very useful to track down my missing luggage at an airport this summer. We were late to the luggage carousel and my bag never came out.

Pulled up FindMy and the app shows the bag about 50 yards away at the curb. I walk out there and see a lady sitting on the bag waiting for her ride. After I claimed my bag, she panics about her bag and runs back inside.

The airtag prevented a lost bag situation at the start of a trip. I have 8 of them is various bags, backpacks, bikes etc.

Nice, thanks! I don't think I've checked a bag since living overseas in the 80s.



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Re: Airtag- how have they been useful for you
Posted by: graylocks
Date: November 13, 2024 05:05PM
Luggage and guitar cases.

Haven't really lost luggage but a few times it was a relief to know the bag had made the transfer even though it was taking a very long time to appear on the carousel.


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Re: Airtag- how have they been useful for you
Posted by: PeterB
Date: November 13, 2024 05:41PM
I'm tempted to try putting one on Porch Kitty. I'm not sure she'd let me do it though... don't know that she'd even tolerate wearing a collar to begin with. I'd just be curious as to where she goes all the time.



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Re: Airtag- how have they been useful for you
Posted by: Robert M
Date: November 13, 2024 05:51PM
Black,

Maybe we’re not understanding what you’re really asking in your post. Usefulness is actually a very general term in this kind of situation. Personally, I think only you can determine if the features provided by an airtag are useful or might be useful to you. Me? They’re great and very useful. If nothing else, just the piece of mind that I can quickly find the whereabouts of an item with an airtag if I lose or misplace it or if it’s stolen is very worthwhile.

I forgot to include one of the handiest features which makes airtags useful for more than just tracking items. It’s nice getting a reminder if I leave something with an airtag behind. Keys immediately come to mind. If I forget my keys in my apartment or office, the notification that tells me I left them behind pops up quickly enough that I can double-back and grab them. It’s come in handy more than once.

Robert
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Re: Airtag- how have they been useful for you
Posted by: Black
Date: November 13, 2024 05:58PM
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Robert M
Black,

Maybe we’re not understanding what you’re really asking in your post. Usefulness is actually a very general term in this kind of situation. Personally, I think only you can determine if the features provided by an airtag are useful or might be useful to you. Me? They’re great and very useful. If nothing else, just the piece of mind that I can quickly find the whereabouts of an item with an airtag if I lose or misplace it or if it’s stolen is very worthwhile.

I forgot to include one of the handiest features which makes airtags useful for more than just tracking items. It’s nice getting a reminder if I leave something with an airtag behind. Keys immediately come to mind. If I forget my keys in my apartment or office, the notification that tells me I left them behind pops up quickly enough that I can double-back and grab them. It’s come in handy more than once.

Robert

What if I worded the question like this:
Interested in anecdotes of how Airtags have been useful for people, thanks.
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Re: Airtag- how have they been useful for you
Posted by: Black
Date: November 13, 2024 06:00PM
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mattkime
Keys, wallet, backpacks, car, bikes, robot lawnmower, cats.

Wow, glad you got all those things back!
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Re: Airtag- how have they been useful for you
Posted by: special
Date: November 13, 2024 06:14PM
I have a USB software dongle I got when my former employer went out of business and they let us keep some assets that is worth about 1000 of these AirTags, so of course I have one attached to this dongle.
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Re: Airtag- how have they been useful for you
Posted by: Ombligo
Date: November 13, 2024 07:03PM
I got them for international travel and they have not been helpful at all.


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Re: Airtag- how have they been useful for you
Posted by: sekker
Date: November 13, 2024 07:16PM
My essential Airtags:
Keys
Backpack

BetterHalf:
Purse
Keys
Both dogs have Airtags on their collars and tied to my wife's AppleID

Daughter:
Purse

Son:
Backpack

Will put into luggage next trip
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Re: Airtag- how have they been useful for you
Posted by: mattkime
Date: November 13, 2024 08:59PM
AirTags are GREAT at finding things that are in your current room or MAYBE your house. Past that, they're not necessarily that helpful. But they're cheap! I think thats something people forget about when citing all the situations where they don't work. They'll probably work and save you some hassle. Thats it.

Well, I guess I've never had to rely on lost mode, maybe someone else can weigh in on that.


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Re: Airtag- how have they been useful for you
Posted by: Markintosh
Date: November 13, 2024 09:31PM
We have one on our Corgi. I use it just about every night to quickly confirm that she is under the bed when we go to sleep and not wandering outside. Occasionally she gets out of the yard and it's been useful to locate her in the neighborhood. Thats when I put her tag into lost mode so any phone in the neighborhood can report her location, otherwise she has to be in bluetooth range for location.


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Re: Airtag- how have they been useful for you
Posted by: Black
Date: November 13, 2024 11:53PM
I guess I don't know how it works for locating things that are very closeby.

Can they be hidden inside a case or do they need to be somehow concealed in the outer lining? Will they read through a couple layers of duct tape?
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Posted by: special
Date: November 14, 2024 05:25AM
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Black
I guess I don't know how it works for locating things that are very closeby.

Can they be hidden inside a case or do they need to be somehow concealed in the outer lining? Will they read through a couple layers of duct tape?

Which iPhone do you have?

You need one with Near Field or something like that to show the exact direction and distance. my iPhone 12 Pro can locate the item and shows me a direction.

My kids iPhone SE 2022 does not have that feature, it shows the item is in the house, but cannot tell where.
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Posted by: d4
Date: November 14, 2024 05:56AM
When my kids were too young for iPhones we put AirTags in their backpacks to track them on the schoolbus.

Now that the kids have iPhones we hide the AirTags in decoy, bicycle reflectors.

I hide an AirTag in my "electronics" backpack/carry-on when traveling.


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Re: Airtag- how have they been useful for you
Posted by: Robert M
Date: November 14, 2024 06:47AM
Matt,

Gotta disagree. Airtags are definitely helpful _way_ past your immediate location and/or house. While my dad and I were out and about, he panicked that he lost his bag (which had his checkbook, various docs and the glucose monitoring gear he uses outside of the house). I used the airtag in his bag to track it. The bag was at my parent's home address. We didn't need the specific location in the house. Just knowing it was in the immediate vicinity was sufficient to put his mind at ease.

Robert
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Re: Airtag- how have they been useful for you
Posted by: mattkime
Date: November 14, 2024 07:35AM
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Robert M
Gotta disagree. Airtags are definitely helpful _way_ past your immediate location and/or house.

In so far that the item is close to any iphone.
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Re: Airtag- how have they been useful for you
Posted by: sekker
Date: November 14, 2024 08:38AM
I forgot, we have one in our AppleTV remote, too!
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Re: Airtag- how have they been useful for you
Posted by: sekker
Date: November 14, 2024 08:39AM
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mattkime
AirTags are GREAT at finding things that are in your current room or MAYBE your house. Past that, they're not necessarily that helpful. But they're cheap! I think thats something people forget about when citing all the situations where they don't work. They'll probably work and save you some hassle. Thats it.

Well, I guess I've never had to rely on lost mode, maybe someone else can weigh in on that.

This is not my experience at all. The greatest value when outside the house is telling you when you've left something behind.
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Re: Airtag- how have they been useful for you
Posted by: Robert M
Date: November 14, 2024 08:53AM
Matt,

It seems like you need to review the features of airtags. You can find the last known location of a given airtag even when it isn't close to an iphone. So, they are useful even if there aren't any iphones nearby. My dad's bag is an example. No other iphones nearby. We found the bag based on its last known location, which was at home.

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Re: Airtag- how have they been useful for you
Posted by: Black
Date: November 14, 2024 09:43AM
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Black
I guess I don't know how it works for locating things that are very closeby.

Can they be hidden inside a case or do they need to be somehow concealed in the outer lining? Will they read through a couple layers of duct tape?

Which iPhone do you have?

You need one with Near Field or something like that to show the exact direction and distance. my iPhone 12 Pro can locate the item and shows me a direction.

My kids iPhone SE 2022 does not have that feature, it shows the item is in the house, but cannot tell where.
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Re: Airtag- how have they been useful for you
Posted by: Wags
Date: November 14, 2024 10:05AM
I wish I had one on a particular vacuum cleaner attachment that’s gone “missing “. I’ve been searching the house for a week to no avail.
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Re: Airtag- how have they been useful for you
Posted by: Robert M
Date: November 14, 2024 10:25AM
Wags,

I kind of wish Apple had an ultra micro version of one to attach to my wedding band. Due to a revised exercise regime and better control of my diet for diabetes, I'm down enough weight that my day to day cheap tungsten carbide wedding band no longer fits. (My original band stays locked up for safekeeping)

It's not the first time this has happened. The last time I dropped weight, my daily band fell off and was lost for several years. I replaced the band and, after I dropped a little more weight, the replacement found its way in a box that got shipped to one of my customers in Canada. They mailed it back to me. That one just fell off and I've no idea where it went. That means I'm down another size.

I've got a stash of a couple of different models in various sizes just for this situation. Still, if Apple had an ultra micro airtag, I'd glue it to the band and find it rather than keep replacing them.

Robert
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Re: Airtag- how have they been useful for you
Posted by: Gareth
Date: November 14, 2024 10:56AM
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Black
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special
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Black
I guess I don't know how it works for locating things that are very closeby.

Can they be hidden inside a case or do they need to be somehow concealed in the outer lining? Will they read through a couple layers of duct tape?

Which iPhone do you have?

You need one with Near Field or something like that to show the exact direction and distance. my iPhone 12 Pro can locate the item and shows me a direction.

My kids iPhone SE 2022 does not have that feature, it shows the item is in the house, but cannot tell where.
Samsung S10+

AirTags can definitely be read through materials (I have them hidden in cars, luggage, etc), although I try to keep them as close to the surface as possible in the hopes it'll slightly increase the range. If you wanted to try an experiment, get a pair of bluetooth headphones and start something playing on your phone, then put your phone where you'd put the AirTag and see how far you can get while the headphones still work.

If you have a Samsung phone, you should be looking at Android equivalent of AirTags. Not sure how useful AirTags would be for you. I think you can still pair them with an iPad (yet), but no iPad has UWB for the precision tracking. You can always use the beeping to locate an item nearby (I just find precision tracking to be more useful).


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I kind of wish Apple had an ultra micro version of one to attach to my wedding band.

Sounds like a good excuse to get a smart ring (i.e. Oura) for your back-up ring!
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Re: Airtag- how have they been useful for you
Posted by: mattkime
Date: November 14, 2024 11:40AM
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You can find the last known location of a given airtag even when it isn't close to an iphone. So, they are useful even if there aren't any iphones nearby.

Perhaps I misspoke. If the airtag is somehow out galavanting across the airport or open plain AND there's no nearby iphone (apple device? What other devices can find airtags?) you're without a way to locate it. Thats what I meant to say.



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Re: Airtag- how have they been useful for you
Posted by: Robert M
Date: November 14, 2024 12:28PM
Gareth,

The Android equivalent of Airtags are something like Tiles. I had a tile on my keychain prior to switching to Airtags. Although the Tile did it's job, it lacked the integration of Airtags with Apple devices. It made sense to switch to Airtags when I decided to go full swing with trackers than to go with Tiles. The integration and performance are game-changers when it comes to tracking devices.

Definitely a no-go on a smart ring. All of them are too wide. My fingers like a ring that is 3mm or 4mm wide, max. Wider than that is uncomfortable. Smart rings that actually work well are also _way_ too expensive. The cheap tungsten carbide or titanium rings that I use as my daily driver are between $11.99 and $18.99 each. That and I work with my hands.

Most of the time, I get to my office and immediately remove my ring and place it over the "left" arrow on my computer's keyboard. It stays there until I leave for the day. And, yes, I've definitely left it at work many a time. At least if that happens, I know exactly where to find it.

Robert
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Re: Airtag- how have they been useful for you
Posted by: Robert M
Date: November 14, 2024 12:32PM
Matt,

Pretty much the same answer. You'll still be able to determine the last location of the airtag. That's better than nothing at all. FWIW, in this day and age, _someone_ will have an iphone in the vast majority of places. I don't think it's a concern.

Robert
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Re: Airtag- how have they been useful for you
Posted by: Black
Date: November 14, 2024 12:46PM
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Robert M
Gareth,

The Android equivalent of Airtags are something like Tiles.

Ah yes I think it was a Tile my brother gave me.
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Re: Airtag- how have they been useful for you
Posted by: mattkime
Date: November 14, 2024 01:08PM
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Robert M
You'll still be able to determine the last location of the airtag. That's better than nothing at all.

My brother lost his dog's collar (with airtag) in the snow at my parent's house. It wasn't found until the snow melted, 10 or 10 yards from my parents house. My brother has an iphone, my parents have iphones. Its unclear why the airtag failed to be helpful in this circumstance but it simply wasn't. Sometimes you can be surprisingly close to an airtag and fail to connect,.

I've never found the last location feature to be useful - maybe it would be if I left things at the office or similar circumstances. YMMV.

Overall I still consider them to be invaluable even with their blind spots.



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