The original conspiracy tale or the abject and simple truth?

I think he was the lone gunman.

After an extensive examination of the facts, Bugliosi in his book about the assassination came to the conclusion that Oswald acted alone. That’s good enough for me.

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It is what it is.

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He may have been the lone shooter, but if he did all this on his own why hasn't the entire Warren Commission report been released? The last Warren Commission member, Gerald Ford, died in 2006.

He was the lone shooter. What sort of machinations went on before and after he was shot may be up for questioning, but all the bullets were his.

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He may have been the lone shooter, but if he did all this on his own why hasn't the entire Warren Commission report been released? The last Warren Commission member, Gerald Ford, died in 2006.

The last and future president promised to do so but then reneged.

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Yeah, I do.

I don't know. I've been to Dallas and stood where the car was and looked at the distance to the Book Depository. It's pretty far. If he did it by himself, he was a great shot. Certainly not just guy who was unhappy with the president. But, honestly, I don't really care. It was long enough ago that everyone involved is long dead. My 22 yo son, on the other hand, loves to think a lot about it and has strong opinions.

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I once was a firm believer that there was a conspiracy. Coming off the 60s and early 70s with so much government subterfuge regarding Vietnam and Watergate, it wasn't a stretch to believe our government turned on one of its own. I remember being in the theater watching Stone's "JFK", so proud that the information was finally getting a public airing.

But as I looked at all the books and magazine articles I had amassed, I saw that the theories grew more and more elaborate, depending on hundreds of complicit, yet strangely silent, people coordinating with astonishing precision to pull it off. It finally collapsed under it's own weight for me.

There were hundreds of books and articles touting a conspiracy, but relatively few that supported Oswald being the lone assassin. Why? Because there's an unlimited version of lies, but only one version of the truth.

And, as pointed out by N-OS X-tasy!, Bugliosi's book confirmed my conversion. People don't want to believe a nobody (and he WAS a nobody) like Oswald could change the course of history. But he did.



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Priscilla McMillian's book, Marina and Lee: The Tormented Love and Fatal Obsession Behind Lee Harvey Oswald's Assassination of John F. Kennedy, is fantastic.

Amazon

Ruined what had been a previously pleasant 7th grade day.

I believe LHO was the lone gunman, however I'm pretty sure he
was strongly influenced by forces of evil that had it in for JFK....

It was good shootin', but not so awesome that LHO couldn't have done it.

My cousin got married exactly one year earlier, on Nov. 22, 1962....
sadly, he passed away last year, just shy of their 61st anniversary.
Always a memorable day.
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rob reiner on jfk assassination

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rob reiner on jfk assassination

Marty DiBergi?

I also believe that eppie had nuthin on no one, and that's why "he" hung his own self.
nafc

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Vlad the Impailer.

For years I had no clue as to whether he fired alone, and was or wasn't part of a conspiracy at some level.

A decade or two ago, I resigned myself to him being the only shooter.

But I've never stopped wondering why the results of the Warren report have never been revealed.

To this day I believe it does reveal criminal conspiracy within the government or with foreign governments that would truly outrage the civilian population or much of it, given who people feel these days.

I'm sure it will never be revealed, or at least not in the lifetime of any member here.

That it would merely show 'innocent' ineptitude and incompetence on the part of the Secret Service and Dallas PD doesn't seem worth burying all this time.

I don't believe the truth will ever be out there.

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All you can do, is all you can do.

There’s trouble — it's time to play the sound of my people.

Your boos mean nothing to me, I've seen what you cheer for.

Insisting on your rights without acknowledging your responsibilities isn’t freedom, it’s adolescence.

I've been to the edge of the map, and there be monsters.

We are a government of laws, not men.

Everybody counts or nobody counts.

When a good man is hurt,
all who would be called good
must suffer with him.

At the going down of the sun and in the morning
We will remember them.

You and I have memories longer than the road that stretches out ahead.

There is no safety for honest men except
by believing all possible evil of evil men.

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I've been to Dallas and stood where the car was and looked at the distance to the Book Depository. It's pretty far. If he did it by himself, he was a great shot.

If you were that close, hopefully you took the time to visit the Sixth Floor Museum and, specifically, to view the plaza and street from Oswald's vantage point that day. From up there, the shot looks a lot easier.

Remember also that Oswald selected that location specifically for the natural choke point created by the turn from Houston to Elm that forced the motorcade to come to a near stop while negotiating it.

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My 22 yo son, on the other hand...has strong opinions.

Young people always do.

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That it would merely show 'innocent' ineptitude and incompetence on the part of the Secret Service and Dallas PD doesn't seem worth burying all this time.

To be clear: There was more than a fair amount of both involved in the case.

At the time? It would have been absolutely RADIOACTIVE for any of the organizations involved in the motorcade security and/or investigation efforts to be seen in that light.

Today? Maybe not so much, but it would still be a very hard pill to swallow.

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It is what it is.

LHO qualified as marksman & sharpshooter in the Marines.

He was shooting from a bench rest at a target in a vehicle that had just turned a corner and was so was receding from his position at a slow rate of speed.

Not a difficult shot given his qualifications and the circumstances.

IMHO, people look at the Zapruder film and think that was where LHO was as well.



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To be clear: There was more than a fair amount of both involved in the case.


That was clear from what investigation information was made public at the time, and for sometime after.

But yeah, radioactivity would be high in that one.

Fair point.

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I am that Masked Man.

All you can do, is all you can do.

There’s trouble — it's time to play the sound of my people.

Your boos mean nothing to me, I've seen what you cheer for.

Insisting on your rights without acknowledging your responsibilities isn’t freedom, it’s adolescence.

I've been to the edge of the map, and there be monsters.

We are a government of laws, not men.

Everybody counts or nobody counts.

When a good man is hurt,
all who would be called good
must suffer with him.

At the going down of the sun and in the morning
We will remember them.

You and I have memories longer than the road that stretches out ahead.

There is no safety for honest men except
by believing all possible evil of evil men.

We don’t do focus groups. They just ensure that you don’t offend anyone, and produce bland inoffensive products. —Sir Jonathan Ive

An armed society is a polite society.
And hope is a lousy defense.

You make me pull, I'll put you down.

I *love* SIGs. It's Glocks I hate.

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LHO qualified as marksman & sharpshooter in the Marines.

He was shooting from a bench rest at a target in a vehicle that had just turned a corner and was so was receding from his position at a slow rate of speed.

Not a difficult shot given his qualifications and the circumstances.

IMHO, people look at the Zapruder film and think that was where LHO was as well.

And it took him three shots. Which isn't exactly miraculous or mind blowing.

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macphanatic
He may have been the lone shooter, but if he did all this on his own why hasn't the entire Warren Commission report been released? The last Warren Commission member, Gerald Ford, died in 2006.

The last and future president promised to do so but then reneged.

What ever happened to the mob hit theory. I never got very far into it but that made the most sense to me. If there's something in the report linking the mob I wonder why would our past and future leader would worry about offending them? Hmm ...?

[www.politico.com]

The reality is that almost the entire body of material from the Warren commission has been released. Thousands of documents were released by Trump and then Biden. Most of the remaining material not released is a quibble over whether a document released with names, addresses. etc. of living persons redacted is considered withheld. So the content is available just not the names of some that information was collected from or about.

But ultimately if a conspiracy existed as large as would be needed hide CIA or other involvement, it would have fallen apart by now. The conspiracy theories are more about people trying to make sense or create a pattern out of the action of someone seemingly unimportant causing such great consequences.

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And, as pointed out by N-OS X-tasy!, Bugliosi's book confirmed my conversion. People don't want to believe a nobody (and he WAS a nobody) like Oswald could change the course of history. But he did.

And look how close another nobody came to assassinating Trump.

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And, as pointed out by N-OS X-tasy!, Bugliosi's book confirmed my conversion. People don't want to believe a nobody (and he WAS a nobody) like Oswald could change the course of history. But he did.

And look how close another nobody came to assassinating Trump.

Imagine if we could somehow flip the outcomes of those two events.

Though I suspect that if Kennedy had lived, Trump never would have been a presidential candidate.

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It is what it is.

Imagine if we could somehow flip the outcomes of those two events.


The stuff dreams are made of.

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I am that Masked Man.

All you can do, is all you can do.

There’s trouble — it's time to play the sound of my people.

Your boos mean nothing to me, I've seen what you cheer for.

Insisting on your rights without acknowledging your responsibilities isn’t freedom, it’s adolescence.

I've been to the edge of the map, and there be monsters.

We are a government of laws, not men.

Everybody counts or nobody counts.

When a good man is hurt,
all who would be called good
must suffer with him.

At the going down of the sun and in the morning
We will remember them.

You and I have memories longer than the road that stretches out ahead.

There is no safety for honest men except
by believing all possible evil of evil men.

We don’t do focus groups. They just ensure that you don’t offend anyone, and produce bland inoffensive products. —Sir Jonathan Ive

An armed society is a polite society.
And hope is a lousy defense.

You make me pull, I'll put you down.

I *love* SIGs. It's Glocks I hate.