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Hmmm...wonder what the MHz requirement really means. No love for a G4/700 iMac or G4/800 iBook?

At least my/our off-lease G4 iBooks (1GHz) officially made the cut!

While that leaves a lot of Macs below the curve with soldered processors - a ton of Macs that are upgradeable and with a processor of 867MHz or faster in there vs. the a slower factory original - make the cut themselves all the same.

Said differently - those who have an investment in their Macs and want Leopard - no prob. Unless something drastic changes before Apple releases... but that would mean a major change (looking at system model profile instead of processor type/speed) to how it says yay or nay.

The limitation also seems to be just on the install with people reporting on the net installing on one PPC and then cloning the volume over to a non-qual system (g4s anyway..) and having no issue there either.

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And G3s, even the faster ones, are history.

and this is news?

i think this was discussed a few weeks ago

cutting out the G4 800 chip -- which had no L3 cache and ran closer to a 533 - was the main reason

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This kinda sucks:

Front Row requires a Mac with built-in IR and an Apple Remote.

I don't get why Apple doesn't sell a USB IR + Remote package. I've gotten a G4 Mac Mini to work fine w/ Front Row and a Keyspan iTunes remote.



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I'm pretty confident that XPostFacto will be updated to keep hardware compatibility at 10.4 levels.

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What's the deal with the 1.6GHz requirement for DVD player!!!!!

I'm actually amazed that Apple didn't start at the G5, or the Intel.

The manufacturer's minimum hardware requirements aren't always realistic - what do you think the minimum processor speed and memory will be in order to run Leopard efficiently?

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\cutting out the G4 800 chip -- which had no L3 cache and ran closer to a 533 - was the main reason

Ahem, my Quicksilver dual 800 has 2MB of L3 cache per processor. It runs the betas of Leopard just dandy.

But, I imagine there are more of the models with the 800MHz sans L3 out there (i.e., the QS 2002 & iBook G4 800) that it was just simpler to make the minimum a higher number rather than attempt to differentiate.

yeah - the 1.6GHz DVD player requirement is for one reason - to cut out the older machines people are using for media players (like the original mac minis).

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What's the deal with the 1.6GHz requirement for DVD player!!!!!

That is just for "improved" deinterlacing. You can still use DVD player w/ a less powerful machine.

2GB RAM

2GHz Core 2 Duo

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The manufacturer's minimum hardware requirements aren't always realistic - what do you think the minimum processor speed and memory will be in order to run Leopard efficiently?

>>The manufacturer's minimum hardware requirements aren't always realistic

Apple's are very realistic. They're typically based on running resource hungry iApps. If you just want email and web, your machine can be very underpowered according to apple specs and still be very responsive.

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no love for my Cube

who wants to love a Cube anyway? don't we all like curvy things?

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\cutting out the G4 800 chip -- which had no L3 cache and ran closer to a 533 - was the main reason

Ahem, my Quicksilver dual 800 has 2MB of L3 cache per processor. It runs the betas of Leopard just dandy.

But, I imagine there are more of the models with the 800MHz sans L3 out there (i.e., the QS 2002 & iBook G4 800) that it was just simpler to make the minimum a higher number rather than attempt to differentiate.

The 800MHz Titanium PowerBook G4 also has an L3 cache (1MB ), really hard to imagine how the extra 67MHz that the 867MHz TiPB has will make noticable performance difference.



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no love for my Cube

who wants to love a Cube anyway? don't we all like curvy things?

Only if they are these kind of curvy things:




As for the Cube it's still design genius in my book.

...really hard to imagine how the extra 67MHz that the 867MHz TiPB has will make noticable performance difference.

It won't.

The purpose is to cut off some machines from Apple Support. There's more to it than the 67MHz. What that is and why, only Apple knows.

I'll try Leopard on my Cube, via an external drive though. But between the slow processor and now-paltry 1.5G RAM, it could be very slow. (But Panther ran surprisingly well on a 333MHz iMac.)

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Our IT department has set the bar a bit higher. No Leopard on work machines unless you have at least a G5 and 1GB RAM.

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>>Our IT department has set the bar a bit higher. No Leopard on work machines unless you have at least a G5 and 1GB RAM.

I'm always entertained by how various IT departments make decisions -

They have a policy for installing software which hasn't been released yet. I have a hard time believing it has anything to do with how well the software runs.

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I understand the "support" aspect of having a minimum system requirement, but when an apparent requirement is arbitrarily speed based, it gets confusing in situations like the Quicksilver, where there are models that qualify and others that seem not to as originally shipped, and I don't see any clarification between single and dual processors... does an original single 933 upgraded to a dual 800 no longer qualify? does a dually count double MHz so a dual 800 is a 1.6GHz for requirement's sake? does an original single 800 OC'ed to 867 now qualify even w/o a L3? It seemed a lot easier when other specific hardware parameters were addressed; native USB/FW, entire processor class, specific video requirements, etc.. A processor speed w/in a processor class w/o additional specs required seems totally support based, not operationally based. Where is Apple going to draw the line? An original 733 w/ 1.2GHz dual proc upgrade is OK, but an 800 OC'ed to 867 isn't, because proc swap is a supported activity whereas OC'ing isn't for OS purposes on machines long out of h/w warranty? They're gonna have some 'splainin' to do...

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A dual 800 = 1600, not 800

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TARGET MODE BOOT -- Load OS, reboot.

Yeah, I was kind of expecting the G5 1.6GHz to be the minimum, but then there was never a G5 powerbook, so all those G4 Powerbooks and iBooks that sold during the G5 era would be getting the shaft. The Intel procs haven't been out long enough for there to be a high enough percentage of users who own them.

As for Miss Norway...