And no I won't just be proofing ads in black and white via the USB connection ;)

My formerly trusty Lexmark Optra E312 ( USB ) has developed a serious problem of not being able to feed one single sheet of paper at a time. I have tried everything from rubber rejuvinator to roughing up the roller and pickup pad to no avail.

Rather than spend any more of my time or money on it I have decided to replace it with a Network Laser Printer so that everyone in the house can get in on the fun without my having to leave a Mac on just to do USB printer sharing.

My wife does a substantial amount of printing on the laser every day, sometimes several hundred pages, for her third grade class. Though not the kind of output you would find in an office it still adds up to a lot of pages every month.

I'd like to stay under $450, duplexing is a plus and it needs to work with OS 9 as well as X (since my sons 3400 is never going to be able to run X).


I don't want to have to pay $$$ for an add on ethernet connection (think JetDirect)!

So far I like the Brother HL-5170DN or HL-5250DNT [www.brother-usa.com]

I am looking for suggestions of printers from other manufacturers and appreciate your hands on experiences.

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For home-duty cycle printing, I like the 5170DN.

Little dissapointed with it's consumable life in moderately high volume use though.

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I've been happy with my HP 1320n, so far.
Got it from newegg for about $350.AR
Plays well with OSX, don't know about OS9.

I stuck with HP because I can get toner replaced by a friend for almost nothing.
(basement toner cartridge refill and repair business)

Another vote for the Brothers.

My research also led me to the Brother model you noted. Staples had refurbs online at one time.

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with the brother line of laser printers

i was concerned about the cost of the toner which seemed appropriate

but what about the cost of the drum!

that pushed the combined costs of consumables over the top for me.

i ended up w/a hp laserjet product (though not ethernet)

i'm sure there is a hp w/does have ethernet

just one person's opinion

be well

rob

I'm happy with my Konica Minolta 2430DL

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The drum? I guess I need a lesson on laser printers. Why/when would you replace the drum?

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LaserWriter 16/600.

Seriously. It's a tank, consumables are cheap and easy to find, perfectly networkable (I have three OS9 machines, two X machines, and a Windows box printing to it).

It's also cheap to buy.

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> I'm happy with my Konica Minolta 2430DL

No Postscript, no OS 9 support.

When I get ready to buy a color Laser I will give it my full consideration.

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“Human rights can only be assured among a virtuous people. The general government ... can never be in danger of degenerating into a monarchy, an oligarchy, an aristocracy, or any other despotic or oppressive form, so long as there shall remain any virtue in the body of the people.” — George Washington

“Public virtue cannot exist in a nation without private virtue, and public virtue is the only foundation of republics.” — John Adams

“Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters.” — Benjamin Franklin

"Every single terrible thing you see on Facebook — be it some sort of horrible right wing nonsense or a confusing and annoying product decision — is made in pursuit of growth. Every bit of damage that Meta has caused to the world has been either an act of ignorance or deliberate harm, at many times tweaking the product to make it harder or more annoying to use so that you will log onto Facebook or Instagram multiple times a day and spend as much time on there as possible." Ed Zitron

With the Brother lasers, I'd look closely at the print quality difference between the old 2400x600dpi print engine in the old 20xx and 51xx models versus the new 1200x1200dpi engine in the new 52xx models. The old ones were never reknown for their print quality.

The drum is the light sensitive roller that the laser "etches" the image onto. It attracts the toner powder, which is then transferred to the paper's surface and bonded by heat from the fuser.

In most (all?) of the older laser print engines (Canon, especially), the drum was contained in the toner cartridge and replaced together as one unit.

Separating the drum from the toner like Brother does is supposed to lower the cost of consumables, since the drum (in theory) needs replacement only once for every three (IIRC) toner cartridges, or some such ratio. As such, it carries a higher cost. I haven't run the numbers, but a quick calculation will tell the tale.

even with a drum -- the brothers are hard to beat

if you are looking for a supertank -- you might want to look used -- say something like a HP laserjet 4000/4100/4250

although older -- they are "business" laser printers that cost well over $1200 new (i have client with several of these)

4100 for $400 with extra 500 sheet tray

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add a duplexer for $50

[cgi.ebay.com]

I can print from OS 9 with my 2430DL

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The sociologist, and historian, Adam Ferguson described the phenomenon of spontaneous order in society as the "result of human action, but not the execution of any human design".