Let the torture begin... tee hee

I'm sure they will tease us with what happens if you let the counter get to 0:00... probably that will come at the very end of the episode as the final fadeout. B@stards.

Be on the lookout for the following:

1) More connections between the members of the island in their "pre-island" histories

2) Some guest stars you've seen before in other things (see Newt's thread below about this too)... this show makes great casting choices, IMHO

3) Ramped-up friction between the male leads -- after last week, it's only a matter of time before someone gets slugged

4) Rousseau... is she nuts, or isn't she?

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Freya says, 'Hello from NOLA, baby!' (Laissez bon temps rouler!)

. . .sometimes you feel like a nut. . .sometimes you don't. . .

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I reject your reality and substitute my own!

That must be Yin, in the jungle, calling to him !


"Ha ha ha, my evil plan to drive him nuts is succeeding"


(that's what Yin's species looks like when fully grown!)

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. . .looks like. . .something wicked. . .this way comes. . .

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I reject your reality and substitute my own!

I hope Yin can hop quickly. I think Sawyer has it in for Yin.

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Roswell, GA (Atlanta suburb)

Alright Sayid, enough chit chat. Get to work!

rgG, yeah, I suspect that treefrog is probably going to be dead by the end of the episode...

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Oh well...

Didn't get too good a look before he "croaked", but it didn't actually look like a treefrog species to me, more like poison arrow dart frog...

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Poor little Yin, squish. I don't like Sawyer much anymore, even if he is hot.

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Roswell, GA (Atlanta suburb)

OMG. . .Sawyer. . .no he didn't just. . .

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I reject your reality and substitute my own!

Sayid is loosing it. . . .!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I reject your reality and substitute my own!

Ooooooohhhhhh!!!

I'm gonna have to check that one carefully. Looked like a bunch of hieroglyphic symbols.

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Ooooo, red and black tiles on the clock thing-what dooooo they mean?

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I thought I saw the Bird hieroglyph.

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Yup. I am DVD-R'ing this, so I will be able to look more carefully.

By the way, how did this guy know that it was the North part of the island that he and his wife were on? Hmmmmm...

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. . .where is an egyptologist. . .when you need one?

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I reject your reality and substitute my own!

This island really is turning into "Lord of the Flies". . .non?

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I reject your reality and substitute my own!

Next week looks gooooood.

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Roswell, GA (Atlanta suburb)

Something definitely began to start up when the countdown ran
out. I guess Jack still doesn't know the combination.
Creepy episode but good. Also we know how Hurley is staying
so fat.

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OK guys, I just did some screencaps. Keep in mind that my TV reception suckkkkkkkkssssss... I'm sure somebody with HDTV could do much better.

Here's one of the final symbols that come up:



... I would read these, left to right, as...

1) maybe a sword, like a cutlass?

2) no symbol came up that I could tell -- probably if one did, that would have been the "chevron five", and then who knows what would have happened?

3) a feather or quill? stuck in a base?

4) definitely a bird, some Egyptian type?

5) not sure what this is; looks like the Eiffel Tower, tilted; or maybe a rocketship?

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PeterB Wrote:
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> Yup. I am DVD-R'ing this, so I will be able to
> look more carefully.
>
> By the way, how did this guy know that it was the
> North part of the island that he and his wife were
> on? Hmmmmm...
>
>
Ummm . . . he was in a balloon with a compass and knew which direction he was heading when he went down?

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I suffer from the same sensitivity that you do. A few nuggets of wisdom were shared with me and I'm "trying" to incorporate them into my life. First, remember that nobody can hurt your feelings unless you let them. You can always reject what is being forced on you emotionally.
Second, nothing changes unless you change it. If you don't want the behavior to be repeated then you need to take action. Otherwise the kid has learned that his behavior is the way to get things done, because everyone lets him get away with it.
In the meantime I sympathize because I've been there.
-beerman

Allright, you guys are scaring me now. Do you study Klingon and have all of Pricess Leah's family members' birthdays memorized too?

PeterB Wrote:
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> OK guys, I just did some screencaps. Keep in mind
> that my TV reception suckkkkkkkkssssss... I'm sure
> somebody with HDTV could do much better.
>
> Here's one of the final symbols that come up:
>
>
>
> ... I would read these, left to right, as...
>
> 1) maybe a sword, like a cutlass?
>
> 2) no symbol came up that I could tell -- probably
> if one did, that would have been the "chevron
> five", and then who knows what would have
> happened?
>
> 3) a feather or quill? stuck in a base?
>
> 4) definitely a bird, some Egyptian type?
>
> 5) not sure what this is; looks like the Eiffel
> Tower, tilted; or maybe a rocketship?
>
>
> Yin says hello.
>
>
>
> Edited 2 times. Last edit at 02/15/06 09:38PM by
> PeterB.

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I suffer from the same sensitivity that you do. A few nuggets of wisdom were shared with me and I'm "trying" to incorporate them into my life. First, remember that nobody can hurt your feelings unless you let them. You can always reject what is being forced on you emotionally.
Second, nothing changes unless you change it. If you don't want the behavior to be repeated then you need to take action. Otherwise the kid has learned that his behavior is the way to get things done, because everyone lets him get away with it.
In the meantime I sympathize because I've been there.
-beerman

PeterB Wrote:
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> Let the torture begin... tee hee
>
> I'm sure they will tease us with what happens if
> you let the counter get to 0:00... probably that
> will come at the very end of the episode as the
> final fadeout. B@stards.

Looks like it's going to become an every episode sort of thing.

> Be on the lookout for the following:
>
> 1) More connections between the members of the
> island in their "pre-island" histories
Was the US army guy one of the others on the boat?

>
> 2) Some guest stars you've seen before in other
> things (see Newt's thread below about this too)...
> this show makes great casting choices, IMHO

Didn't recognize anyone . . .

>
> 3) Ramped-up friction between the male leads --
> after last week, it's only a matter of time before
> someone gets slugged

I'm about ready for everyone to go off on Jack. He needs his ass kicked. I'm liking Sawyer and Saeed and just about everyone else better than him at this point . . .

>
> 4) Rousseau... is she nuts, or isn't she?
I think not.

In all not a great episode. The whole "Saeed learns to be a torturer" thing was weak and unlikely.

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I suffer from the same sensitivity that you do. A few nuggets of wisdom were shared with me and I'm "trying" to incorporate them into my life. First, remember that nobody can hurt your feelings unless you let them. You can always reject what is being forced on you emotionally.
Second, nothing changes unless you change it. If you don't want the behavior to be repeated then you need to take action. Otherwise the kid has learned that his behavior is the way to get things done, because everyone lets him get away with it.
In the meantime I sympathize because I've been there.
-beerman

h' Wrote:
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>
> Didn't recognize anyone . . .
>


You didn't recognize this guy from Starship Troopers?

[www.imdb.com]

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h',

1) Sure, maybe, but... assuming that this island is really out in the middle of nowhere, do you think he would have made a mental note of which end of the island he crashed on? Particularly while he's crashing? It's not as if he was surveying the island, he ended up there by accident (by his own admission). And you're also assuming he had a compass or some other good way to know which direction was which. It just seemed strange to me, that's all.

2) petaQ!

3) Totally disagree -- thought this was a great episode-- a lot of nice little touches... Sayid as torturer was completely believable, after all he had done it already with Sawyer, remember?

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Did you know that there are free LOST podcasts? Here is the link to the site that has the link to the podcasts. [www.lostcasts.com]

I just downloaded last weeks and I am about to listen. I can't wait to see if they have more info on the symbols in this weeks episode when it becomes available.

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Roswell, GA (Atlanta suburb)

The US Army guy (the first one) was Kate's father. (Not her biological one, though!)

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symbols for the five island stations or hieroglyph for "casbah"?

ahhhh, jeffNOTjon, that's much better...

Where's Dr. Daniel Jackson when you need him?

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Freya says, 'Hello from NOLA, baby!' (Laissez bon temps rouler!)

You don't need a compass to tell direction....
Sun rises in the east. Sets in the west.
While looking east (the sunrise), north is to your left.

. . .so if there were to be an earthquake on the island. . .they'd be rockin' the casbah?

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I reject your reality and substitute my own!

I thought there was one of those on it but I guess not.

[en.wikipedia.org]

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NewtonMP2100 Wrote:
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> . . .where is an egyptologist. . .when you need one?


Someone needs to call Egyptologist extraordinaire, Dr. Zahi Hawass.

3d, you're assuming that the sun sets in the west in this place.

It's already been mentioned that the island has strange electromagnetic properties (good luck using a compass, it doesn't work, but Locke claimed to have been able to have been able to figure out which way was which without it) ... my point is that, someone who is not native to the island might not have known this...

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PeterB Wrote:
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> 3d, you're assuming that the sun sets in the west
> in this place.
>


Yes, i'm assuming this island is on Earth.

Guys, I think I may have found something...

The first symbol -- an "ss" sound, as in "glass"

The bird symbol -- probably an "a" sound, as in "water"

dunno about third and fifth symbols...

Look here: [members.aol.com]

... of course, this could also not be the right interpretation, but I'm suspicious that it is a simple code of some sort, e.g., it spells a word. Maybe this is like "Wheel of Fortune" ?

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3d, it can still be on Earth, but the appearance of the sun rising and setting could be an illusion or otherwise modified by atmospheric phenomena (diffracted light?). I know, it's a huge stretch, but on the other hand... I'm still wondering about the comment from last week's episode about radio signals bouncing off the atmosphere, and Hurley's comment... makes you wonder if there is ANYTHING normal about this island.

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PeterB Wrote:
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> 3d, it can still be on Earth, but the appearance
> of the sun rising and setting could be an illusion
> or otherwise modified by atmospheric phenomena
> (diffracted light?). I know, it's a huge stretch,
> but on the other hand... I'm still wondering about
> the comment from last week's episode about radio
> signals bouncing off the atmosphere, and Hurley's
> comment... makes you wonder if there is ANYTHING
> normal about this island.
>


The direction of the sun rising and setting on the island is a consistent daily event. If it was NOT consistent. And the sun rises/sets in random directions, someone would've mentioned this by now. So, if the sun rises and sets in the same directions for everyone on the island, everyone on the island knows what directions East and West (and North, and South) are.

It gets to a point where you HAVE TO assume things or the whole premise of the tv show is ridiculous, even beyond science fiction and fantasy. And it just turns to garbage writing. For example, I'm assuming that Jack is human and not some alien in a jumpsuit.

3d Wrote:
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> PeterB Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > 3d, you're assuming that the sun sets in the
> west
> > in this place.
> >
>
>
> Yes, i'm assuming this island is on Earth.
LOL!

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I suffer from the same sensitivity that you do. A few nuggets of wisdom were shared with me and I'm "trying" to incorporate them into my life. First, remember that nobody can hurt your feelings unless you let them. You can always reject what is being forced on you emotionally.
Second, nothing changes unless you change it. If you don't want the behavior to be repeated then you need to take action. Otherwise the kid has learned that his behavior is the way to get things done, because everyone lets him get away with it.
In the meantime I sympathize because I've been there.
-beerman

3d Wrote:
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> The direction of the sun rising and setting on the
> island is a consistent daily event. If it was NOT
> consistent. And the sun rises/sets in random
> directions, someone would've mentioned this by
> now.

They have, I believe (at least, indirectly) -- the fact that a compass doesn't point North. And how does the guy in the balloon then know which way is which? Is he using a compass, or the sun? (I'm assuming the latter, in which case if he didn't bring he a compass, he was pretty unprepared for his trip; or if he did, he must have noticed the same thing, that the compass is inconsistent with the sun.)

So, if the sun rises and sets in the same
> directions for everyone on the island, everyone on
> the island knows what directions East and West
> (and North, and South) are.

You would think so. It's just that (if I recall correctly, someone else here I'm sure will point this out), if it were that simple, then why do they even need a compass? And why does Locke make a big deal of the fact that he no longer needs a compass to find his way around?

> It gets to a point where you HAVE TO assume things
> or the whole premise of the tv show is ridiculous,
> even beyond science fiction and fantasy. And it
> just turns to garbage writing. For example, I'm
> assuming that Jack is human and not some alien in
> a jumpsuit.

But how do you KNOW he isn't?

Just kidding, I know what you mean. But they've already stretched things beyond certain levels of credibility, e.g., smoky black clouds which can haul somebody off into the jungle or toss them into a treetop.

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jeffNOTjon Wrote:
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> symbols for the five island stations or hieroglyph
> for "casbah"?
>
>
Paper clip hockey mask bic lighter sandpiper broom.


Paper clip hockey mask bic lighter sandpiper broom.







Papercliphockeymaskbiclightersandpiperbroom!!!






Hmmmm . . . :-|

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I suffer from the same sensitivity that you do. A few nuggets of wisdom were shared with me and I'm "trying" to incorporate them into my life. First, remember that nobody can hurt your feelings unless you let them. You can always reject what is being forced on you emotionally.
Second, nothing changes unless you change it. If you don't want the behavior to be repeated then you need to take action. Otherwise the kid has learned that his behavior is the way to get things done, because everyone lets him get away with it.
In the meantime I sympathize because I've been there.
-beerman

PeterB Wrote:
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I'm still wondering about
> the comment from last week's episode about radio
> signals bouncing off the atmosphere, and Hurley's
> comment...


So, have we seen any evidence that they're in the current period and didn't travel ahead or back in time to land on the island?

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I suffer from the same sensitivity that you do. A few nuggets of wisdom were shared with me and I'm "trying" to incorporate them into my life. First, remember that nobody can hurt your feelings unless you let them. You can always reject what is being forced on you emotionally.
Second, nothing changes unless you change it. If you don't want the behavior to be repeated then you need to take action. Otherwise the kid has learned that his behavior is the way to get things done, because everyone lets him get away with it.
In the meantime I sympathize because I've been there.
-beerman

PeterB Wrote:
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> 3) Totally disagree -- thought this was a great
> episode-- a lot of nice little touches... Sayid as
> torturer was completely believable, after all he
> had done it already with Sawyer, remember?
>
Right, yeah, I know, but the way it played out was just silly.

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I suffer from the same sensitivity that you do. A few nuggets of wisdom were shared with me and I'm "trying" to incorporate them into my life. First, remember that nobody can hurt your feelings unless you let them. You can always reject what is being forced on you emotionally.
Second, nothing changes unless you change it. If you don't want the behavior to be repeated then you need to take action. Otherwise the kid has learned that his behavior is the way to get things done, because everyone lets him get away with it.
In the meantime I sympathize because I've been there.
-beerman



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h', if you say that backwards seven times, you'll hear "I buried Paul"

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h' Wrote:
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> So, have we seen any evidence that they're in the
> current period and didn't travel ahead or back in
> time to land on the island?

Nope, not that I'm aware -- we haven't seen any specific date references on the island... again if I'm wrong with this, I'm sure someone here will correct me. I'm reminded of the hokey film Millennium (not to be confused with the great TV series of the same name), where plane passengers who disappear on crashed flights end up in the future. Not saying that that's what's happening here, but it is an interesting idea, that they may not be in the same time period as when they left.

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> 3d Wrote:
> So, if the sun rises and sets in the same
> directions for everyone on the island, everyone on
> the island knows what directions East and West
> (and North, and South) are.


> PeterB Wrote:
> You would think so. It's just that (if I recall
> correctly, someone else here I'm sure will point
> this out), if it were that simple, then why do
> they even need a compass? And why does Locke make
> a big deal of the fact that he no longer needs a
> compass to find his way around?



PeterB, you evidently have not gone hiking in a while... Even on a bright sunny day. A hike in the woods with no compass is insane. You'll be walking aimlessly for half the time you are out there during midday. The other half of the time (early morning and late afternoon) you will have realized your mistake and trying to get back on track. You most defintely need a compass in dense jungle/forest unless you have a VERY good sense of direction and a keen eye on the sun.

This prisoner guy says he's been chillin' in the same cave for 4 months. In that time. I'm sure he's observed the sun. And the sun's relation to certain geographic landmarks around him. He would absolutely know if he's been living on the Northern coast of an island for all that time.

IMO the prisoner's comment about being on the Northen part of the island is a non-issue. It was Sayid's way of interogating the prisoner. Nit pick every little detail. Push buttons and see where it leads to.

the main army guy, besides being in Starship troopers (and a heck of a lot of other stuff!) was the main bad guy in the original Highlander movie.

> h' Wrote:
> So, have we seen any evidence that they're in
> the current period and didn't travel ahead or
> back in time to land on the island?


PeterB Wrote:
> Nope, not that I'm aware -- we haven't seen any
> specific date references on the island...
>


HERE'S A HINT....
Hurley was dippin' into a tub of Ranch dressing.

Ranch dressing is an American salad dressing and vegetable dip made of sour cream, mayonnaise, and minced green onion, along with other seasonings. The original popular brand in the U.S. is called Hidden Valley Ranch Dressing. Hidden Valley Ranch was a lively guest ranch resort near Santa Barbara, California, and it was there that ranch dressing was invented in the late 1950s by the owner, Steve Henson, who had developed it in Alaska.

SOOOoooo... this all takes place sometime after the 1950's. Hope this helps!

3d Wrote:
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> PeterB, you evidently have not gone hiking in a
> while... Even on a bright sunny day. A hike in the
> woods with no compass is insane. You'll be walking
> aimlessly for half the time you are out there
> during midday. The other half of the time (early
> morning and late afternoon) you will have realized
> your mistake and trying to get back on track. You
> most defintely need a compass in dense
> jungle/forest unless you have a VERY good sense of
> direction and a keen eye on the sun.

I have been hiking, and yes, I do realize the value of a compass. So did Sayid, otherwise he wouldn't have tried to construct one. That's the whole point-- a compass doesn't work here. So if you have only the sun to go by, then you're going to be in trouble. That's why I found the guy's comment about being on the North part of the island a bit strange... either he's a very good navigator (possible, since we don't really know about him), or he got a very good look at the island before he crashed, or something.

> This prisoner guy says he's been chillin' in the
> same cave for 4 months. In that time. I'm sure
> he's observed the sun. And the sun's relation to
> certain geographic landmarks around him. He would
> absolutely know if he's been living on the
> Northern coast of an island for all that time.

If he had been out exploring, yes. I didn't get that impression-- sounded like he had been hiding in a cave for four months. (So yes, he'd know which way is north, which way south, etc., but how would he know he's on the north end of an island? Unless he's right at the North coast, as you say ... and I don't remember him saying exactly that, but maybe I missed it.)

> IMO the prisoner's comment about being on the
> Northen part of the island is a non-issue. It was
> Sayid's way of interogating the prisoner. Nit pick
> every little detail. Push buttons and see where it
> leads to.

No, that's part of why I found it strange. You see, he (the prisoner) volunteered that particular bit of information. Sayid did not say to him, "which part of the island were you on?"-- to which the obvious answer would be, "how the #&*$ should I know which part of the island I'm on!" (For that matter, I don't think it's ever been mentioned which part of the island either the main group or the tailies is on... south, east, west, whatever.) Rather, this guy just knew which part he was on.

Of course, I'm probably making too much of it, it's just that I (like Sayid) found myself scrutinizing this guy's story... it did seem a bit too cut and dry.

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Oh and as far as the Ranch dressing ... yes, it has to have been MADE sometime 1950's or after, but that doesn't mean that where they are now is 1950's or after.

And there was music in the bunker which dated from the 1960's/1970's, so that does establish at least when the bunker was built (and the Dharma tape is dated 1980, and computer suggests late 1970's or 1980's) ... but again, that doesn't tell us what the CURRENT date is. Could be 2005, 3005, or 1005.

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