Alright.... yes - got sucked in to the show.... just got done watching the 'finale' for the season.

Both pretty darn impressive this year and a far cry from last year's final 2. Neat seeing teams that both respected their leaders and pulled for them to be the chosen apprentice..

Alright - all said.

Randal quite well educated - proven leader - couldn't check the weather - but overall, heck - I'd hire him.

Rebecca - stayed damn cool under fire, very organized, adapted well to various situations including breaking her ankle - and got started at it very young - can relate to that and would hire her too.

All I can say - what a damn prick the winner was.

don't want to spoil it if anyone tivoed, etc... just had to say it. Couldn't believe how it ended. That was just uncool and took my opinion down a huge notch.

just thought I'd share. :>

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OWC Larry
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I agree- (s)he had the chance to be a stand up person and let the other share the glory. Shame how the contest ended.

Still tweaked.

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OWC Larry
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Who won?

Sorry, my spanish teacher quizzes us all on his tv shows.

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Ditto. I couldn't believe it. What would it hurt to give a job to both? Trump should have just done it. He set precedent with firing four people in one night, why not now? Bad form winner.

I don't think Randal got a chance to explan himself-- I could see where he was coming from from a "being totally honest" kind of place-- I agree with him that there should only be one apprecntice for various reasons. I had already been thinking about how unemotionally he analyzes situations, almost scary unemotionally . . . and I think he took the question about whether to hire Rebecca too in that same purely abstract, unemotional way without considering the implications for her.
I wonder if that decision is going to haunt him.
I also wonder if Trump will quietly hire her anyways.

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I suffer from the same sensitivity that you do. A few nuggets of wisdom were shared with me and I'm "trying" to incorporate them into my life. First, remember that nobody can hurt your feelings unless you let them. You can always reject what is being forced on you emotionally.
Second, nothing changes unless you change it. If you don't want the behavior to be repeated then you need to take action. Otherwise the kid has learned that his behavior is the way to get things done, because everyone lets him get away with it.
In the meantime I sympathize because I've been there.
-beerman

I also wonder what handle Rebecca posts under on the various mac forums.

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I suffer from the same sensitivity that you do. A few nuggets of wisdom were shared with me and I'm "trying" to incorporate them into my life. First, remember that nobody can hurt your feelings unless you let them. You can always reject what is being forced on you emotionally.
Second, nothing changes unless you change it. If you don't want the behavior to be repeated then you need to take action. Otherwise the kid has learned that his behavior is the way to get things done, because everyone lets him get away with it.
In the meantime I sympathize because I've been there.
-beerman

You could tell Trump wanted to hire both of them... and both were darn qualified. Randall was the Apprentice - hiring Rebecca wouldn't have made here an 'Apprenti' - would have just been an additional hire - IMHO.

But back to base.... I'd agree that Trump will probably still hire here, but that he clearly had interest in doing so and asked Randall for his opinion on that - going against the Trump like that in a way that I thought was about hogging the limelight or worried about sharing it.....

Was the last thing I'd expected from Randall and the objective opportunity to hire good talent turned away - the show is 'The Apprentice' - but I think it will haunt him in one way or another.

And it's not about the implications it has for her - objectively, she'd have a good hire.

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OWC Larry
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Somebody will hire her. Randall made a mistake. Trump just got finished saying how he valued Rebecca's loyalty to her teammate, he gave Randall a chance to show it, and Randall dropped the ball (sort of like not checking the weather). That said, he's impressive.

Easy I guess to say.... but unlike some of the stuff they edit up for TV time - this was live.

Called being a gracious winner....

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OWC Larry
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Do agree. Both were fantastic. Randall already pretty well formed... Rebecca damn ahead of her time and still with lots of youth yet to grow further beyond.

Was surprised how fast Randall snapped back against Trump's enthusiastice offer to set another precedent.

Gotta say - seeing the multiple in one shot firings was something I didn't see coming.

Didn't expected to get sucked into the series - but it was pretty entertaining and neat to watch.

But errr...


Michael Wrote:
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> Somebody will hire her. Randall made a mistake.
> Trump just got finished saying how he valued
> Rebecca's loyalty to her teammate, he gave Randall
> a chance to show it, and Randall dropped the ball
> (sort of like not checking the weather). That
> said, he's impressive.

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OWC Larry
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Randall showed he's an ASS.

I think that all these reality shows, that essentially pit one participant against the other in order to force conflict in the name of entertainment, are the worst possible kind of trash.


"Stupid is as stupid does" Forest Gump

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There have been multiply qualified finalists before, especially S1. Interesting that only the first black winner was asked to "share."

It's a dog eat dog world... but on the Apprentice, I don't think you really had people forced to be at each others throat. A little baiting, but that too was part of the interview. I don't think the personal jabbing served any of the contestants...

Not a reality TV fan at all - but am a fan of this particular reality show.

hmm - sounds contradictory, but think makes the point - or not. Time for sleep.

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OWC Larry
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You guys are just being silly and emotional. Seems everybody forgot how Rebecca blindsided Randall in the boardroom earlier in the show. A little karma at work there. Both were strong candidates but Randall was overwhelmingly more educated and more experienced. He won more tasks and earned more respect from the other contestants and clearly earned the position as the sole apprentice. I doubt Randall would have any regrets. If Trump wanted to hire them both he should have done so and everybody would have said cool. Why put it on Randall to make the boss's decision? Why does everybody have to be awarded a ribbon these days?

MysteryGuest makes a very good point.

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The ole' elephant in the room, mg. Do you really think you need to be anonymous to bring it up?


Larry, I think it's naive to think the candidates aren't continually coached to "spice it up".

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I suffer from the same sensitivity that you do. A few nuggets of wisdom were shared with me and I'm "trying" to incorporate them into my life. First, remember that nobody can hurt your feelings unless you let them. You can always reject what is being forced on you emotionally.
Second, nothing changes unless you change it. If you don't want the behavior to be repeated then you need to take action. Otherwise the kid has learned that his behavior is the way to get things done, because everyone lets him get away with it.
In the meantime I sympathize because I've been there.
-beerman

Heard Randal on the Today show, and his explanation made some sense. When you win a gold medal you don't want to go ahead and say to the second place winner, "Give him one too." I guess he's right. Still.

I am reading this thread for my sweetie who watched the whole series. She was pretty disgusted with the selfish choice at the end, much like Larry here. I was hoping someone had an insight why the guy didn't want to share the limelight. I assume there's more to it than appearances.

Fine, I'll spell it out.
My guess is that Randal was very conscious of the message the show was sending about people of color and their worthiness of important roles-- I'm sure he participated in hours of discussions with his family/friends about just what he'd think or do in that sort of situation.
Considering he had exactly 3 seconds to explain his decision, I think he did an admirable job.
"mysteryguest" captured the essence of the situation perfrctly with his/her terse sentence.
I don't think I'd have acted the same in his shoes, but to dismiss his decision as a "selfish choice" is about as much as you can over-simplifiy something.
If you've never been a member of a minority group, do yourself a favor and move on-- you just won't get this.

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I suffer from the same sensitivity that you do. A few nuggets of wisdom were shared with me and I'm "trying" to incorporate them into my life. First, remember that nobody can hurt your feelings unless you let them. You can always reject what is being forced on you emotionally.
Second, nothing changes unless you change it. If you don't want the behavior to be repeated then you need to take action. Otherwise the kid has learned that his behavior is the way to get things done, because everyone lets him get away with it.
In the meantime I sympathize because I've been there.
-beerman

h' Wrote:
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> If you've never been a member of a minority group,
> do yourself a favor and move on-- you just won't
> get this.

Ditto.

h': you could say the same about women as well, since they are also underrepresented in the upper levels of the corporate world, and there has yet to be a female Apprentice.

I also put the blame on The Donald for the sour ending. He should not have put Randal in that awkward position. If he wanted to also hire Rebecca, he should have taken the strong leadership position he always espouses and pulled the trigger himself. But in retrospect, I agree that would have diminished the Apprenticeship: Rebecca was a very strong and worthy contestant, but Randal was clearly better.

Silencio Wrote:
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> h': you could say the same about women as well,
> since they are also underrepresented in the upper
> levels of the corporate world, and there has yet
> to be a female Apprentice.
>
> I also put the blame on The Donald for the sour
> ending. He should not have put Randal in that
> awkward position. If he wanted to also hire
> Rebecca, he should have taken the strong
> leadership position he always espouses and pulled
> the trigger himself. But in retrospect, I agree
> that would have diminished the Apprenticeship:
> Rebecca was a very strong and worthy contestant,
> but Randal was clearly better.

I was thinking about that. Opens up a whole different can of worms. It gets really complicated when you consider race and gender at the same time.
Gender vs. race really are different ballgames, though.
Or more specifically the "plight of the woman" vs. "the plight of the african-american" in america.
Upwardly mobile women probably don't sit around discussing what best to do about millions of poor women who have no better option but drugs, gangs, and violence, living in large dangerous disinvested areas.
Re: Trump's decision-- not sure we'd be talking about this still if he hadn't dumped it on Randall this way.

Do you think they might give her another chance next season?

-h'

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I suffer from the same sensitivity that you do. A few nuggets of wisdom were shared with me and I'm "trying" to incorporate them into my life. First, remember that nobody can hurt your feelings unless you let them. You can always reject what is being forced on you emotionally.
Second, nothing changes unless you change it. If you don't want the behavior to be repeated then you need to take action. Otherwise the kid has learned that his behavior is the way to get things done, because everyone lets him get away with it.
In the meantime I sympathize because I've been there.
-beerman

Another chance next season? NO. That won't happen for so many reasons. A job somewhere? Yes. You can see that Yahoo already has offered her work if not a job. Trump can make a call or two and she's set. She may be better off than Randal in that sense.