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OUTTA Java ! Starbucks to close 600 stores
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: July 01, 2008 04:34PM
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Their expansion was so insane it's been the butt of jokes for several years. It's about time they recognized the truth behind the humor.
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Re: OUTTA Java ! Starbucks to close 600 stores
Posted by: vision63
Date: July 01, 2008 04:36PM
I liked a comment where one guy said "Start with the ones on the same block, then the ones you can see from inside the one that you're in."
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Re: OUTTA Java ! Starbucks to close 600 stores
Posted by: jdc
Date: July 01, 2008 04:42PM
so true

theres one in a target, which is one store away from the one in barnes and noble, which is across the street from another one, and one light up is another one, which is 3 lights away from another one, which is 1 ramp away from another... and so on... none are more than 1 minute from each other





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Re: OUTTA Java ! Starbucks to close 600 stores
Posted by: Racer X
Date: July 01, 2008 04:45PM
There was some joke, maybe at the Onion, about a Starbucks opening up in the men's room of a Starbuck's.

If they are making jokes about it being that bad, it's that bad.
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Re: OUTTA Java ! Starbucks to close 600 stores
Posted by: M A V I C
Date: July 01, 2008 04:53PM
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vision63
I liked a comment where one guy said "Start with the ones on the same block, then the ones you can see from inside the one that you're in."

Those are some of the most profitable ones. They're in high demand areas where they can't meet the demand with just one store.

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jdc
so true

theres one in a target, which is one store away from the one in barnes and noble, which is across the street from another one, and one light up is another one, which is 3 lights away from another one, which is 1 ramp away from another... and so on... none are more than 1 minute from each other

Most of those a private contracts and I doubt they're effected by this.

Bits like this make me laugh...

The coffee retailer says it will close 600 stores, about 8.5% of its 7,100 total stores

Schultz is trying to undo the exuberant expansion effort of his predecessor Donald who wanted to triple the number of stores to 40,000

Sounds like thinking like that is what go them in trouble. "Yeah, 40k, that's only 7.1k times 3. That'll work."




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Re: OUTTA Java ! Starbucks to close 600 stores
Posted by: N-OS X-tasy!
Date: July 01, 2008 04:55PM
Downtown Manhatten.

That's all I've got to say.



It is what it is.
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Re: OUTTA Java ! Starbucks to close 600 stores
Posted by: DavidS
Date: July 01, 2008 05:10PM
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N-OS X-tasy!
Downtown Manhatten.

That's all I've got to say.

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Re: OUTTA Java ! Starbucks to close 600 stores
Posted by: Acer
Date: July 01, 2008 05:14PM
The "expand until you saturate yourself out of your own market" model claims yet another victim.


Who's next? Walgreens? Home Depot?

The only ones who seem to successfully expand to the max are McD's and Walmart.
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Re: OUTTA Java ! Starbucks to close 600 stores
Posted by: blooz
Date: July 01, 2008 05:23PM
Won't affect me. I've had one coffee there and it was lousy.



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Re: OUTTA Java ! Starbucks to close 600 stores
Posted by: Fritz
Date: July 01, 2008 05:51PM
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very entertaining.

bet he pooped hisself in under 4 hours. or had a near death experience



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Re: OUTTA Java ! Starbucks to close 600 stores
Posted by: guitarist
Date: July 01, 2008 07:22PM
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Won't affect me. I've had one coffee there and it was lousy.

Won't affect the rest of us either, coffee expert lol. Leaving aside that you wouldn't know a good cup of coffee it it bit you in the beans anyway, I doubt your patronage would be missed.
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Re: OUTTA Java ! Starbucks to close 600 stores
Posted by: JoeH
Date: July 01, 2008 07:32PM
Starbucks may have once served good coffee at all their locations, but not any more. Too many places do not have the proper training for their staff to get it right.



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Re: OUTTA Java ! Starbucks to close 600 stores
Posted by: bfd
Date: July 01, 2008 07:47PM
In a smart move, $tarbucks bought many of the properties where they now have shops. All smart businesses will batten down the hatches to weather out the next few years of economic instability. Those that don't will go out of business.
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Re: OUTTA Java ! Starbucks to close 600 stores
Posted by: M A V I C
Date: July 01, 2008 09:14PM
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Starbucks may have once served good coffee at all their locations, but not any more. Too many places do not have the proper training for their staff to get it right.

Training? Starbucks uses automated machines. There's no human skills needed for brewing coffee at starbucks.




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Re: OUTTA Java ! Starbucks to close 600 stores
Posted by: WHiiP
Date: July 01, 2008 09:25PM
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M A V I C
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JoeH
Starbucks may have once served good coffee at all their locations, but not any more. Too many places do not have the proper training for their staff to get it right.

Training? Starbucks uses automated machines. There's no human skills needed for brewing coffee at starbucks.

How about in serving (pun intended) the public?



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Re: OUTTA Java ! Starbucks to close 600 stores
Posted by: JoeH
Date: July 01, 2008 09:35PM
> Training? Starbucks uses automated machines. There's no human skills needed for brewing coffee at starbucks.

Automatic machines still require proper maintenance, cleaning and loading to work right. Still can not make up for improperly measured coffee, whether due to human error or a machine out of calibration. Training is also needed to know when that is happening. Nor will improperly stored coffee come out well. I have seen all of that at their stores and outlets.



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Re: OUTTA Java ! Starbucks to close 600 stores
Posted by: tuqqer
Date: July 01, 2008 09:43PM
I pray that I'm someday as dumb as Schultz, that my biz is the butt of jokes and laughed at by countless people wondering whether to get a 2 or 4 gig RAM upgrade, and I too have to close 600 stores. Please give me this problem!



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Re: OUTTA Java ! Starbucks to close 600 stores
Posted by: blooz
Date: July 01, 2008 10:18PM
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blooz
Won't affect me. I've had one coffee there and it was lousy.

Won't affect the rest of us either, coffee expert lol. Leaving aside that you wouldn't know a good cup of coffee it it bit you in the beans anyway, I doubt your patronage would be missed.

Hey, I was at the one in the mall it it was lousy.
Sorry, if you like them.

Why do you think you know I wouldn't know a good cup of coffee? Been hanging around here unbeknownst to me?



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Re: OUTTA Java ! Starbucks to close 600 stores
Posted by: Carthaigh
Date: July 02, 2008 01:35AM
I hope they close them all. I only like Peet's.



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Re: OUTTA Java ! Starbucks to close 600 stores
Posted by: Zoidberg
Date: July 02, 2008 07:47AM
I feel bad about the one they're closing in my living room; the people there are nice.



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Re: OUTTA Java ! Starbucks to close 600 stores
Posted by: dmann
Date: July 02, 2008 08:47AM
I'm glad you are all reveling in this. You may hate Starbucks, but please keep in mind that this affects 1200 jobs and they are one of the few companies that offer AFFORDABLE health benefits to part time employees.

Many people are in danger of becoming unemployed, including my sister and brother in law (my sister is a manager and my BIL is on the operations side). They have a family to support.

DM
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Re: OUTTA Java ! Starbucks to close 600 stores
Posted by: vision63
Date: July 02, 2008 11:32AM
dmann, I love Starbucks. I find it reassuring to see the green logo. They make great coffee (Verona being my favorite). Love Peets too.
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Re: OUTTA Java ! Starbucks to close 600 stores
Posted by: karsen
Date: July 02, 2008 01:02PM
Maybe it's just me but I was never comfortable going to Starbucks. They have crazy made up names for everything and they act snobby if you don't order using their names.

Me: "I'll have a large coffee."
Starbucks dude: "Oh, you must mean Grande Mochblasterifica. Unbelievable."



I just saw this story on MSNBC. They blamed the Starbucks closings on the poor economy. While I do think that has a little to do with it I think it's more to do with a poor business plan. Over saturation of markets, overpriced coffee, and growing compeition doesn't equal success in any economy.



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Re: OUTTA Java ! Starbucks to close 600 stores
Posted by: Rolando
Date: July 02, 2008 02:27PM
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dmann
I'm glad you are all reveling in this. You may hate Starbucks, but please keep in mind that this affects 1200 jobs and they are one of the few companies that offer AFFORDABLE health benefits to part time employees.

Many people are in danger of becoming unemployed, including my sister and brother in law (my sister is a manager and my BIL is on the operations side). They have a family to support.

DM

That's exacly what I thought when I heard, so many people never learn to have high expectations for a job, just as a job has expectations of you. You may not enjoy 4bucks, but it would be a good place to work, as opposed to Walmart. I think Generation after generation expects less from the job, while being worked to death. Starbucks didn't go that way.
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