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The best paint I've ever used
Posted by: h'
Date: February 28, 2006 01:26AM
Behr Premium Plus, purchased at Home Despot.
Just finished my entire bathroom, including the ceiling, with half a gallon, one coat. Brushwork blended beautifully with roller work (and roller work with itself) even after the roller stuff was mostly dry.
Painted a very dark green over bright white primer.
I don't even think it was that expensive-- $18 range maybe.



I suffer from the same sensitivity that you do. A few nuggets of wisdom were shared with me and I'm "trying" to incorporate them into my life. First, remember that nobody can hurt your feelings unless you let them. You can always reject what is being forced on you emotionally.
Second, nothing changes unless you change it. If you don't want the behavior to be repeated then you need to take action. Otherwise the kid has learned that his behavior is the way to get things done, because everyone lets him get away with it.
In the meantime I sympathize because I've been there.
-beerman
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Re: The best paint I've ever used
Posted by: Refurbvirgin
Date: February 28, 2006 01:44AM
You painted your bathroom dark green? How do you look in the mirror?
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Re: The best paint I've ever used
Posted by: h'
Date: February 28, 2006 01:49AM
Mirror's not up yet-- just a hole in the wall.




I suffer from the same sensitivity that you do. A few nuggets of wisdom were shared with me and I'm "trying" to incorporate them into my life. First, remember that nobody can hurt your feelings unless you let them. You can always reject what is being forced on you emotionally.
Second, nothing changes unless you change it. If you don't want the behavior to be repeated then you need to take action. Otherwise the kid has learned that his behavior is the way to get things done, because everyone lets him get away with it.
In the meantime I sympathize because I've been there.
-beerman



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 02/28/2006 01:43PM by h'.
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Re: The best paint I've ever used
Posted by: davester
Date: February 28, 2006 02:45AM
I will say this...It's definitely a DARK green.



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Re: The best paint I've ever used
Posted by: SteveJobs
Date: February 28, 2006 04:19AM
That's pretty dark.

With myself and my older relatives' eyesight dwindling with retina/macula issues, I find that providing a WHITE walled house, and plenty of lighting (800 Watts per room or so), is met with approvals. I myself carry up to 5 flashlights at a time to provide me with adequate lighting. Really worked out well when the power went out at work yesterday.

Just what the HELL do we pay for with two substation lines INTO the facility, TWO HUGE diesel generators and a room full of battery back up power supply! smiling smiley Certainly not power to keep the desktops running.



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Re: The best paint I've ever used
Posted by: Michael
Date: February 28, 2006 06:13AM
I concur--dark, dark, dark green.
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Re: The best paint I've ever used
Posted by: Refurbvirgin
Date: February 28, 2006 07:15AM
Any particular reason you chose that color? Generally dark colors make something look smaller and lighter larger. Lighter, as SJ notes, saves on lighting costs as well. On the other hand you won't notice the mildew building up as quickly. Just keep your negative ionizer going to capture the spores.

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Re: The best paint I've ever used
Posted by: Jimmypoo
Date: February 28, 2006 07:24AM
I love dark rooms with white doors/trim and
bright light POTENTIAL.


The macular degeneration issues of the little people
is not my problem!!

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Re: The best paint I've ever used
Posted by: AlphaDog
Date: February 28, 2006 08:09AM
Thanks for the recommendation, because I really have to start a few painting jobs around here. Isn't Behr sold by Home Depot?
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Re: The best paint I've ever used
Posted by: Stephanie
Date: February 28, 2006 09:59AM
Behr's a lovely paint. We used it last year to paint a brand new house. Each room only took one coat of paint.
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Re: The best paint I've ever used
Posted by: Kraniac
Date: February 28, 2006 10:21AM
Behr covers well but it isn't a real long lasting deal. Benjamin Moore is a much better paint.

Behr is a consumer friendly paint...covers well BUT. Benny Moore is professional paint and will last and last...good if you pick the right color....meaningless if you have trouble picking colors...a challenge...better to use cheaper paint if you make color errors frequently. It's much more expensive but you get what you pay for. This old saying applies here in a big way.

Pratt and Lambert is equal in quality to Benjamin Moore and delivers great surfaces but it is very difficult to work with. Benny Moore feathers beautifully, flows great, if you are a brush painter it is a joy to work with...cutting in with a brush as opposed to masking..ugh.

of course IMHO
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Re: The best paint I've ever used
Posted by: Stephanie
Date: February 28, 2006 10:30AM
"Behr covers well but it isn't a real long lasting deal. Benjamin Moore is a much better paint."

Just curious - why isn't it a long lasting deal?
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Re: The best paint I've ever used
Posted by: 3d
Date: February 28, 2006 10:35AM
I used Ralph Lauren paint the last time i painted.

[rlhome.polo.com]

They had a a peculiar shade of deep red unavailable anywhere else that i just HAD to have. LOL Not sure about the lasting quality of the paint yet. But the color looks absolutely fabulous smiling smiley
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Re: The best paint I've ever used
Posted by: Refurbvirgin
Date: February 28, 2006 11:23AM
A red bathroom would seem a lot warmer... and faces in the mirror a lot healthier.
:-)
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Re: The best paint I've ever used
Posted by: ADent
Date: February 28, 2006 11:29AM
I worked in paint at Montgomery Wards back in high school and we got more complaints with Behr than the crappy house brand.

Of course Behr cost a lot more, so maybe people were expecting more.

Consumer Reports seems to like it now.
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Re: The best paint I've ever used
Posted by: wurm
Date: February 28, 2006 01:07PM
I got yer green with white trim right here. (Of course it hasn't looked that clean since that day.)

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Re: The best paint I've ever used
Posted by: tuqqer
Date: February 28, 2006 01:57PM
Kraniac Wrote:
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> Benjamin Moore is a much better paint...Benny Moore feathers
> beautifully, flows great, if you are a brush
> painter it is a joy to work with...cutting in with
> a brush as opposed to masking..ugh.


I'm with Kraniac on this. I remodeled my home office last year, and hired a good friend to be the general contractor. I went out and got Behr paint from Home Depot, and my friend was aghast. He said, "you'll see what I mean." Sure enough, in the rooms where he used Benjamin Moore, the color went on smoother, while the Behr left a skin coating in the sprayer. And I noticed exactly what Kraniac said: you can cut in windows and trim with Bennie Moore without taping first. I was amazed at the difference.







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Re: The best paint I've ever used
Posted by: tahoedrew
Date: February 28, 2006 03:13PM
You guys can't cut without taping?! WHA?!

I think that doesn't even qualify you as a DIY painter. I've painted my entire condo (Textured walls and ceiling I might add - though not popcorn ceiling) and didn't tape a darn thing! My lines are nearly perfect - they may run high on a ceiling, but you can't see it unless you're standing directly under the ceiling at the wall and look straight up (and even still, they're straight lines, just in on the ceiling about 1/16 or 1/32 of an inch straight across the whole ceiling).

Sure, paint may make a difference when you cut, but I think the quality of brush matters more. Spend $15 on a 1.5" or 2" sash (and take care of it) and you'll be able to cut like a pro. A brush makes all the difference as it's what feeds paint to your wall!

~A
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Re: The best paint I've ever used
Posted by: h'
Date: February 28, 2006 05:30PM
That's very cool, worm.
I wonder how my image got broken?
There's a huge window with sun streaming in in the morning and white wainscotting and surround and floor and all the fixtures are bright white . . . it will not be too dark or feel too close. I've been expeerimenting with use of color in rooms for about a decade.
My first impulse was to go all white, but the picture on the sconce box showed it against a dark background and I had to do it :-) Went to get some sort of dark grey and decided on a green/gray on the spot.
I'm not entirely sure I like the feel of the dark color but I'll wait until fixtures and accessories are in to judge. I was on the fence about painting the ceiling dark too, but that was definitely the right move-- I was hoping for an "infinite" feel.
I do wish it was a hair flatter (it's a satin or semi-gloss)-- the finish plays up imperfections a bit too much.



I suffer from the same sensitivity that you do. A few nuggets of wisdom were shared with me and I'm "trying" to incorporate them into my life. First, remember that nobody can hurt your feelings unless you let them. You can always reject what is being forced on you emotionally.
Second, nothing changes unless you change it. If you don't want the behavior to be repeated then you need to take action. Otherwise the kid has learned that his behavior is the way to get things done, because everyone lets him get away with it.
In the meantime I sympathize because I've been there.
-beerman
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Re: The best paint I've ever used
Posted by: Racer X
Date: February 28, 2006 05:31PM
Behr is #2 and Lowe's "America Tradition" is #1 again, for the third or 4th year in a row with CR.
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Re: The best paint I've ever used
Posted by: Stephanie
Date: February 28, 2006 06:10PM
I still wanna know WHY Behr supposedly won't last as long as Benjamin Moore. Won't someone PLEASE tell me? Seriously, I'd like to know.
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Re: The best paint I've ever used
Posted by: h'
Date: February 28, 2006 07:14PM
Wish I could.
I spent a bit more on brushes and hope to manage good lines on the trim by hand. The taping was primarily to be able to get in as close as possible with the roller. Using cheap masking tape to create lines is a losing proposition anyways.
Come on by if you wanna share your technique. There's beer in the frige.

tahoedrew Wrote:
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> You guys can't cut without taping?! WHA?!
>
> I think that doesn't even qualify you as a DIY
> painter. I've painted my entire condo (Textured
> walls and ceiling I might add - though not popcorn
> ceiling) and didn't tape a darn thing! My lines
> are nearly perfect - they may run high on a
> ceiling, but you can't see it unless you're
> standing directly under the ceiling at the wall
> and look straight up (and even still, they're
> straight lines, just in on the ceiling about 1/16
> or 1/32 of an inch straight across the whole
> ceiling).
>
> Sure, paint may make a difference when you cut,
> but I think the quality of brush matters more.
> Spend $15 on a 1.5" or 2" sash (and take care of
> it) and you'll be able to cut like a pro. A brush
> makes all the difference as it's what feeds paint
> to your wall!
>
> ~A
>






I suffer from the same sensitivity that you do. A few nuggets of wisdom were shared with me and I'm "trying" to incorporate them into my life. First, remember that nobody can hurt your feelings unless you let them. You can always reject what is being forced on you emotionally.
Second, nothing changes unless you change it. If you don't want the behavior to be repeated then you need to take action. Otherwise the kid has learned that his behavior is the way to get things done, because everyone lets him get away with it.
In the meantime I sympathize because I've been there.
-beerman
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Re: The best paint I've ever used
Posted by: h'
Date: February 28, 2006 07:17PM
We've got a perfectionist in my bike club who insisted we use B. Moore paint for yellow route marking paint.
It was absolutely superior. Survived a rain less than an hour after the markings were stamped, and lasted years.

tuqqer Wrote:
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> Kraniac Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Benjamin Moore is a much better paint...Benny
> Moore feathers
> > beautifully, flows great, if you are a brush
> > painter it is a joy to work with...cutting in
> with
> > a brush as opposed to masking..ugh.
>
> I'm with Kraniac on this. I remodeled my home
> office last year, and hired a good friend to be
> the general contractor. I went out and got Behr
> paint from Home Depot, and my friend was aghast.
> He said, "you'll see what I mean." Sure enough, in
> the rooms where he used Benjamin Moore, the color
> went on smoother, while the Behr left a skin
> coating in the sprayer. And I noticed exactly what
> Kraniac said: you can cut in windows and trim with
> Bennie Moore without taping first. I was amazed at
> the difference.
>
>
>
>
>
>






I suffer from the same sensitivity that you do. A few nuggets of wisdom were shared with me and I'm "trying" to incorporate them into my life. First, remember that nobody can hurt your feelings unless you let them. You can always reject what is being forced on you emotionally.
Second, nothing changes unless you change it. If you don't want the behavior to be repeated then you need to take action. Otherwise the kid has learned that his behavior is the way to get things done, because everyone lets him get away with it.
In the meantime I sympathize because I've been there.
-beerman
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Re: The best paint I've ever used
Posted by: h'
Date: February 28, 2006 07:19PM
ADent Wrote:
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> I worked in paint at Montgomery Wards back in high
> school and we got more complaints with Behr than
> the crappy house brand.
>
> Of course Behr cost a lot more, so maybe people
> were expecting more.
>
> Consumer Reports seems to like it now.

These companies outsource and repackage so much, the chances of the current configuration resembling the stuff you sold in high school are not great.






I suffer from the same sensitivity that you do. A few nuggets of wisdom were shared with me and I'm "trying" to incorporate them into my life. First, remember that nobody can hurt your feelings unless you let them. You can always reject what is being forced on you emotionally.
Second, nothing changes unless you change it. If you don't want the behavior to be repeated then you need to take action. Otherwise the kid has learned that his behavior is the way to get things done, because everyone lets him get away with it.
In the meantime I sympathize because I've been there.
-beerman
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Re: The best paint I've ever used
Posted by: h'
Date: February 28, 2006 07:20PM
Refurbvirgin Wrote:
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> A red bathroom would seem a lot warmer... and
> faces in the mirror a lot healthier.
> :-)


Dark red living room.


3 coats to cover and could have used another. Some kind of K-mart paint. Getting chalky after 3 years.



I suffer from the same sensitivity that you do. A few nuggets of wisdom were shared with me and I'm "trying" to incorporate them into my life. First, remember that nobody can hurt your feelings unless you let them. You can always reject what is being forced on you emotionally.
Second, nothing changes unless you change it. If you don't want the behavior to be repeated then you need to take action. Otherwise the kid has learned that his behavior is the way to get things done, because everyone lets him get away with it.
In the meantime I sympathize because I've been there.
-beerman
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Re: The best paint I've ever used
Posted by: h'
Date: February 28, 2006 07:29PM
Some before pics:








I suffer from the same sensitivity that you do. A few nuggets of wisdom were shared with me and I'm "trying" to incorporate them into my life. First, remember that nobody can hurt your feelings unless you let them. You can always reject what is being forced on you emotionally.
Second, nothing changes unless you change it. If you don't want the behavior to be repeated then you need to take action. Otherwise the kid has learned that his behavior is the way to get things done, because everyone lets him get away with it.
In the meantime I sympathize because I've been there.
-beerman
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Re: The best paint I've ever used
Posted by: Kraniac
Date: February 28, 2006 11:15PM
Stephanie and all y'all

the reason that cheaper paints fail is fairly simple. It has to do with the actual quality of the components in the paint. Binders, Pigments, Fillers. Some are better than others. Also it is the ratio of the mixtures of these components. Some pigments have "high hiding" qualties, as do the the binders. Sometimes caly is used as filler and that will break down after a while. The better the binder, pigment, filler the better the paint. Behr uses high hiding pigments. sometimes this type of pigment can have lesser qualities in the fading department. In a sunny room, they can fade quickly.

For all of you folks who want to try suing a brush for a real and elegant line...think about this...YES, the quality of the brush is a factor..BUT, you can cut pretty good lines with an only "ok" brush. the key is to understand how to properly "load" the brush with paint. Most novices tend to dip and then sort of wipe the brush on both sides using the edge of the bucket. This is not the way to do it. you should dip the brush about a third of the way up the bristles...shake it back and forth a few times inside the bucket, once it is loaded.

Then, you have to sort of feel what the tempo of the brush is and be patient with this tempo...tempo meaning...how the brush delivers the paint..at what rate. If you rush the application of the paint you will fail...watch how it lays down and get a feel for it..all brushes are different. I like about a 2" brush with an angle cut..I also look for a brush that has good body...decent stiffness though not to much. I also like a brush that is a nice profile when you look at it wet from the skinny side...skiny at the tip and tapering out to where the bristles attach to the handle.

As stated before in this thread...masking the lines (where your ceiling color meets your wall color...or where trim color meets your wall color, etc.)will give you very crappy lines...tape just doesn't work and it is not a time saver. you have spend time taping carefully, then painting, then removing...If you learn to hold and handle a brush properly..all you do is paint..the lines are better and you save gobs of time. Also, a good painter ALWAYS has a soft smooth cotton rag in his other hand...you can cut lines using this rag...you cut your line liberally...wrap the rag tightly on your pinky...jam it in the corner between trim and wall...wipe away the paint...when you do this..it reveals the natural line you can follow, then you re-cut the line following the left over from the wipe down..in some situtations this is a great way to cut in trim...

Ok, bedtime...





Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 02/28/2006 11:17PM by Kraniac.
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