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Cube = Failure, Mini = Success, why?
Posted by: New.Dad
Date: December 17, 2005 09:49AM
they were both small, cute, G4, decent for their time, quiet, etc. Mini is 1/3 of volume and 1/3 of the price of a Cube, true, but that is ~5 years later, when all computer prices dropped by the same factor.


So why is the Mini a success when the Cube was a failure?
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Re: Cube = Failure, Mini = Success, why?
Posted by: MacArtist
Date: December 17, 2005 09:58AM
Price.



I sit on a man’s back, choking him and making
him carry me, and yet assure myself and others
that I am very sorry for him and wish to ease his
lot by all possible means — except by getting off
his back. - Leo Tolstoy, novelist and Philosopher
(1828-1910)

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Re: Cube = Failure, Mini = Success, why?
Posted by: Paul F.
Date: December 17, 2005 10:04AM
Yup....

Price.
The Cube was approximately double what it should have been to be a sucess.





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Re: Cube = Failure, Mini = Success, why?
Posted by: rgG
Date: December 17, 2005 10:06AM
Will the cube work with non Apple displays and keyboards and mice like the mini. I think the marketing on the mini, buy the box but use the other stuff you already have, helped convert some PC users.





Roswell, GA (Atlanta suburb)
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Re: Cube = Failure, Mini = Success, why?
Posted by: Tofer
Date: December 17, 2005 10:09AM
Definitely price, but there was a bit more to it. The cube was marketed towards a power-hungry crowd, but it didn't have much expansion capability, which turned away prospective buyers (along with the price).

The mini, on the other hand, is priced right, and is targeted towards a less power-hungry buyer (actually, switchers more than anything).

-Tofer
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Re: Cube = Failure, Mini = Success, why?
Posted by: iaJim
Date: December 17, 2005 10:22AM
I always thought that the cube needed to have a better way to hide all of the wires. Looked great until you plugged it in. But MacArtist nailed it. Price. Much too expensive.
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Re: Cube = Failure, Mini = Success, why?
Posted by: OWC Larry
Date: December 17, 2005 10:47AM
Would have to agree - price was the real killer there... and the apple ADC CRT wasn't exactly all that either.



OWC Larry
Other World Computing
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Re: Cube = Failure, Mini = Success, why?
Posted by: DaviDC.
Date: December 17, 2005 10:55AM
I bought my 1st new Mac in 1999 (Sawtooth 400) & a friend came over to see it & said, "A real computer! I'm so glad you didn't get a Cube!"




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Re: Cube = Failure, Mini = Success, why?
Posted by: Jimmypoo
Date: December 17, 2005 11:35AM
$2000 is a lot of change.

On the other hand, they still sold (IIRC) $200,000,000 dollars worth of them.

Compared to $4 billion or today's $9 billion in total sales that doesn't sound like a lot, but it is indeed a lot.

Exxon will invest a ton of money into a particularly unqiue plastic that sells for $2/pound, and having a $30,000,000 biz out of it makes that unit more than qualify counting it as a success @ Exxon.

And this is via a company with $250 billion in sales.

Think about the scale and the use of the word "failure" for computer items. The Cube was a smash and people still wanted them. Still do.
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Re: Cube = Failure, Mini = Success, why?
Posted by: MacArtist
Date: December 17, 2005 11:54AM
Just to clarify...

I still want a Cube. No rational reason other than I loved the looks of them. I am thinking of buying one for my daughter who needs an upgrade from an iMac 333. The trouble is, if I buy; I will just want to keep it. I know how I am...

I think they were a great success in terms of miniaturization. They were a necessary step to get to the Mini.



I sit on a man’s back, choking him and making
him carry me, and yet assure myself and others
that I am very sorry for him and wish to ease his
lot by all possible means — except by getting off
his back. - Leo Tolstoy, novelist and Philosopher
(1828-1910)

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Re: Cube = Failure, Mini = Success, why?
Posted by: Speedy
Date: December 17, 2005 12:31PM
I paid $999 for a an AGP G4 400 MHz minitower new at the same time 450 MHz Cubes were going for $600 more. The bean counters at the companies the Cube was marketed to didn't much like that. My 400 is worth around $150 now, the 450 Cube maybe $225; I still have both but use the Cube as my everyday computer.

Earlier this year my sister wanted a newer Mace than her G3 upgraded 7300. Her choices were a Cube and 15" ADC LCD display for about the same $ as the Mini. It was easy for me to convince her to choose the faster machine even though she knew she needed to supply a keyboard, mouse and display, all of which she had to buy. $/MHz was the deciding factor just as it was with the aforementioned bean counters.
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Re: Cube = Failure, Mini = Success, why?
Posted by: bill b
Date: December 17, 2005 01:02PM
$$$

content
and timing.

iPod hasn't hurt.

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Re: Cube = Failure, Mini = Success, why?
Posted by: WHiiP
Date: December 17, 2005 01:26PM
$$$$

Steve must have been out drinking smiley the night before he set the pricing . . .

angry smiley





Bill
Flagler Beach, FL 32136

Carpe Vino!

Fermentation may have been a greater discovery than fire.
— David Rains Wallace
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Re: Cube = Failure, Mini = Success, why?
Posted by: rgG
Date: December 17, 2005 01:41PM
You really like that little drinking smilie, don't you whip?
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Re: Cube = Failure, Mini = Success, why?
Posted by: bangman
Date: December 17, 2005 03:19PM
I also think the form factor is better for the Mac mini. It just makes sense. The Cube was more of an exercise in art.

When you buy a computer or electronic device, you look for that which is practical. The Mac mini just makes so much sense.

BTW I'm a proud owner of one. It's a beautiful machine.



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3GHz - The clock is STILL ticking Steve.
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Re: Cube = Failure, Mini = Success, why?
Posted by: GrumpyOldMan
Date: December 17, 2005 03:50PM
I just upgraded the software (to 10.4.3) on a cube for a co-worker. 500 MHz is still adequate for web browsing and using Word and Mail.

But don't try to take either my iMac G5 or dual 2GHz G5 off my desks:-)


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rgG . . .
Posted by: WHiiP
Date: December 17, 2005 04:26PM
yes 'mam . . . (hic...)

But that one above is for SJ . . . grinning smiley


drinking smiley cheers



Bill
Flagler Beach, FL 32136

Carpe Vino!

Fermentation may have been a greater discovery than fire.
— David Rains Wallace
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Re: Cube = Failure, Mini = Success, why?
Posted by: Grateful11
Date: December 17, 2005 08:08PM
I've owned 2 Cubes and I don't think I will be parting with my
second one anytime soon. For general web surfing, word
proceesing, email, etc. it's great, I even do a little light
Photoshop on it. Original processor, 80 7200rpm Seagate HD
and 768mb of RAM. I used to have 1.5G's of RAM in it but when
I bought my 533 Dual I swapped the RAM. I wish PC100/PC133
RAM would drop back to what it was then I put 1.5G's back
into the Cube. To be honest I'll sell this 533 Dual before I
sell my Cube. I've got the original box, discs, speakers and
everything with my Cube.
Grateful11
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Re: Cube = Failure, Mini = Success, why?
Posted by: Dick Moore
Date: December 18, 2005 10:22PM
Wonderful computer, but the package was just not a good value prop for most folks, and the iMacs made more sense to many. Since the Cube had the connection and expansion limitations of the iMacs and cost more money, then the choice was between a serious work computer and the iMac, and there just wasn't room for the Cube despite its wonderful design.
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