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Is ANYTHING real/natural/as God intended, that you SEE on most adult, western women?
Posted by: AAA
Date: July 23, 2009 09:20AM
(Western being western civilization. Not cowgirls)

I was initially going to ask what percentage of adult women leave their hair natural? That is don't artificially color it?

Then I thought, on a broader case, what percentage of visible female human being (that is the stuff not under clothing) is natural? No makeup, tan, paint (nails), coloring, bleaching, etc?

My kids walk around unaware that grandma's teeth are 100% fake, and removable. And that auntie's hair is white by nature, but black by L'oreal. smiling smiley

And that many folk's teeth are blindingly white through the grace of bleach.

My guess:

1) 30%
2) dunno.

smiling smiley



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/23/2009 09:21AM by AAA.
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Re: Is ANYTHING real/natural/as God intended, that you SEE on most adult, western women?
Posted by: mattkime
Date: July 23, 2009 09:25AM
>>Is ANYTHING real/natural/as God intended, that you SEE on most adult, western women

among the ones I spend time with, most everything.

perhaps you've been spending a lot of time at the playboy mansion?



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Re: Is ANYTHING real/natural/as God intended, that you SEE on most adult, western women?
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: July 23, 2009 09:25AM
. . .perhaps their intentions or their demeanor. . .?



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Re: Is ANYTHING real/natural/as God intended, that you SEE on most adult, western women?
Posted by: davester
Date: July 23, 2009 09:26AM
Depends on where you live. Here in the metropolitan SF Bay Area I'd say 70% of women don't do that stuff for the most part (except for the tourists).



"In science it often happens that scientists say, 'You know that's a really good argument; my position is mistaken,' and then they would actually change their minds and you never hear that old view from them again. They really do it. It doesn't happen as often as it should, because scientists are human and change is sometimes painful. But it happens every day. I cannot recall the last time something like that happened in politics or religion." (1987) -- Carl Sagan
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You're kidding, right?
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: July 23, 2009 09:32AM
You've got a LOT of spare time on your hands, don't you.






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Your boos mean nothing to me, I've seen what you cheer for.

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I've been to the edge of the map, and there be monsters.

We are a government of laws, not men.

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all who would be called good
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You and I have memories longer than the road that stretches out ahead.

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Re: You're kidding, right?
Posted by: AAA
Date: July 23, 2009 09:35AM
less than 2 minutes to type it = a lot? or my mind's background-processing of 'deep thoughts' (that's a joke)?

It's a topic that has come up here (not forum) in RL.
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Re: Is ANYTHING real/natural/as God intended, that you SEE on most adult, western women?
Posted by: ztirffritz
Date: July 23, 2009 09:36AM
Among the women that I am around, they are almost 100% natural, except for weekend nights when they might use some makeup. I find that a woman who has cultured her natural beauty is much more attractive.



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Re: Is ANYTHING real/natural/as God intended, that you SEE on most adult, western women?
Posted by: mattkime
Date: July 23, 2009 09:44AM
where do you live?



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Re: Is ANYTHING real/natural/as God intended, that you SEE on most adult, western women?
Posted by: billb
Date: July 23, 2009 09:46AM
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AAA
(Western being western civilization. Not cowgirls)




My kids walk around unaware that grandma's teeth are 100% fake, and removable. And that auntie's hair is white by nature, but black by L'oreal. smiling smiley



smiling smiley

Is that a genetic predisposition ?
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Re: Is ANYTHING real/natural/as God intended, that you SEE on most adult, western women?
Posted by: Rolando
Date: July 23, 2009 09:52AM
I dunno. I know I cut my hair and shave my face (sometimes). I wash my pits and and brush my teeth. Don't see my dogs doing that alot.
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Re: Is ANYTHING real/natural/as God intended, that you SEE on most adult, western women?
Posted by: mikebw
Date: July 23, 2009 09:55AM
I think most women do not color their hair, at least those who I see on a daily basis. Certainly makeup is very prevalent, as is shaving.
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Re: Is ANYTHING real/natural/as God intended, that you SEE on most adult, western women?
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: July 23, 2009 09:57AM
. . .scratch 'n then sniff. . .?



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Re: Is ANYTHING real/natural/as God intended, that you SEE on most adult, western women?
Posted by: davester
Date: July 23, 2009 10:25AM
I guess AAA lives in places where the well dressed ladies look like this:





"In science it often happens that scientists say, 'You know that's a really good argument; my position is mistaken,' and then they would actually change their minds and you never hear that old view from them again. They really do it. It doesn't happen as often as it should, because scientists are human and change is sometimes painful. But it happens every day. I cannot recall the last time something like that happened in politics or religion." (1987) -- Carl Sagan
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Re: Is ANYTHING real/natural/as God intended, that you SEE on most adult, western women?
Posted by: Seacrest
Date: July 23, 2009 10:30AM




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Re: Is ANYTHING real/natural/as God intended, that you SEE on most adult, western women?
Posted by: Big Daddy Cool
Date: July 23, 2009 11:54AM
If you think most women don't color their hair (or at least highlight/lowlight) you are sadly mistaken.
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Re: Is ANYTHING real/natural/as God intended, that you SEE on most adult, western women?
Posted by: guitarist
Date: July 23, 2009 12:07PM
He has a good point, a major cultural shift has quietly happened in the last five years. What was once exotic is now quite standard. Once reserved for erotic dancers, Brazilian bikini wearers, and decadent Hollywood actresses is now a completely ordinary practice for soccer moms, church ladies, and elementary school teachers. It's the new normal!

A local newsmagazine writer, Jane Adams, wrote a piece for the a webzine Newsplink in March 2009, called "The Pudenda Agenda" Jane interviewed a few of the women at her fitness club, and the most oft-heard reason was some variation on "men expect it" I personally don't, but then, I'm a 50 year-old male, not a 25-year-old male, the girlie magazines I grew up on didn't feature this grooming habit, now, it's almost militantly adhered to in porn. Who are these young guys who 'expect' this? Women with normal pubic hair are now called "hairy". I object to this characterization.

Since grooming pubic hair is a private matter, no one really has meaningful statistics, but bare pubes are clearly more popular and normal than they were a few years ago. If you're a girl, and many of your peers are doing it, young women are likely to go along, as it's normalized, like any other kind of grooming. Also, as I'm sure many of you know, many women report a completely personal (self-gratifying) motive for doing it, having nothing to do with men. monkey smiley

Q: what do you call a woman with natural pubic hair?
A: a nonconformist.

Strange, isn't it?



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Re: Is ANYTHING real/natural/as God intended, that you SEE on most adult, western women?
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: July 23, 2009 12:10PM
. . .as long as the carpets....match the drapes. . .?



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Re: Is ANYTHING real/natural/as God intended, that you SEE on most adult, western women?
Posted by: lazydays
Date: July 23, 2009 12:18PM
Next thing you know public pressure will force us guys to lose our beer guts and do sit ups every day! :-) I think many people could spend a bit more time on their appearance, at least I know I could.
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Re: Is ANYTHING real/natural/as God intended, that you SEE on most adult, western women?
Posted by: Blankity Blank
Date: July 23, 2009 12:32PM
Grecian Formula, Just for Men, sunscreens, shave creams, skin creams, hand creams, getting them hooked young with "body sprays", hair mousse and pimple creams, toupees, Hair Club for men, pec implants, chin implants, "male enhancement" potions.

If I'm reading the numbers right, men's cosmetics has already crossed the multi-billion dollar threshold. Nowhere near the women's mark I'm sure, but hefty enough to make stone throwing a bit of an awkward exercise. big grin smiley
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Re: Is ANYTHING real/natural/as God intended, that you SEE on most adult, western women?
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: July 23, 2009 12:36PM
. . .2 words for you. . .Vi. . .agra. . .that AIN'T real. . .!



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Re: Is ANYTHING real/natural/as God intended, that you SEE on most adult, western women?
Posted by: macbeergeek
Date: July 23, 2009 12:38PM
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Big Daddy Cool
If you think most women don't color their hair (or at least highlight/lowlight) you are sadly mistaken.

Ditto! I know very few women who do not color their hair in some way, if not completely, and the older they are the more gray they are trying to hide (including my wife). My mom is one of the few who I know that doesn't, but that was a recent thing, like within the last 5 years. She let it go and it's all white (she's turning 80 yo this month) and she loves it... not having to keep fighting nature. Once I got over my initial shock I liked it too.

Women in this country seem to be getting more and more obsessed with camouflaging their "natural" look. And the whole phenomenon of being hairless from the nose down is getting ridiculous. Most teens and 20-somethings now think that almost all hair on their body should be eradicated regularly, if not permanently... our culture has taught them that hairless is now "natural", and yeah, I think a lot of that originated from the porn industry.

You also might be shocked at the number of men who have their hair professionally colored (no, I'm not one of them). Older men are expected to have some gray hair, so I'm always suspicious when I see an older (over 40) guy without a spec of gray.
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Re: Is ANYTHING real/natural/as God intended, that you SEE on most adult, western women?
Posted by: lazydays
Date: July 23, 2009 12:42PM
I'm 38 and I just started coloring my hair. I was getting quite a bit of gray invading and I didn't like it one bit at all. Keeping my hair looking the way I like it makes me feel good.
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Re: Is ANYTHING real/natural/as God intended, that you SEE on most adult, western women?
Posted by: mikebw
Date: July 23, 2009 12:59PM
I guess I am in the minority here and do not hang out with the 40+ crowd on a regular basis, so while I do agree that there are plenty of cosmetic alterations among my peers I do not believe that hair coloring is one of them.
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Re: Is ANYTHING real/natural/as God intended, that you SEE on most adult, western women?
Posted by: Doc
Date: July 23, 2009 01:39PM
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mikebw
I think most women do not color their hair, at least those who I see on a daily basis. Certainly makeup is very prevalent, as is shaving.

'Pretty sure that most middle and upper class women in the U.S. color their hair at least a few times each year.

Women who say that they don't color their hair often get highlights or "do the roots" and don't consider that to be coloring it.

If you want to be subtle, ask 'em how much they spend on a haircut. If it's more than $50 bucks, they're getting something extra done.
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Re: Is ANYTHING real/natural/as God intended, that you SEE on most adult, western women?
Posted by: decay
Date: July 23, 2009 01:54PM
this thread is useless w/o pix. angel smiley



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Re: Is ANYTHING real/natural/as God intended, that you SEE on most adult, western women?
Posted by: lazydays
Date: July 23, 2009 02:36PM
I'm with Doc, the only women I know (say over the age of 30) that DON'T color their hair are elderly.
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Re: Is ANYTHING real/natural/as God intended, that you SEE on most adult, western women?
Posted by: mikebw
Date: July 23, 2009 02:40PM
OK, yes, highlights are pretty common among all ages I suspect. I wouldn't say that was coloring exactly... It can be a natural alteration.
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Re: Is ANYTHING real/natural/as God intended, that you SEE on most adult, western women?
Posted by: Blankity Blank
Date: July 23, 2009 02:54PM
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mikebw
OK, yes, highlights are pretty common among all ages I suspect. I wouldn't say that was coloring exactly... It can be a natural alteration.
If it comes out of a bottle, box, or can, how natural can it be? big grin smiley
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Re: Is ANYTHING real/natural/as God intended, that you SEE on most adult, western women?
Posted by: DRR
Date: July 23, 2009 05:07PM
My sister used to add natural highlights with some fresh lemon juice. That's pretty natural.
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Re: Is ANYTHING real/natural/as God intended, that you SEE on most adult, western women?
Posted by: AAA
Date: July 23, 2009 06:13PM
sorry. just back from work.
I was not even thinking about PUBIC areas when I asked. But now that you mention it, I think you are right. And I did not want to go there.

But I see a lot of girls and women color their hair. Not always to hide grey, but usually to add highlights, or change color completely.

My wife does not color hair, nor do nails, and is very sparse on makeup. Does not pluck eyebrows, which I do not recall anyone mentioning as well here. But has tried to lighten teeth. Though she still has baby teeth and those have discolored a bit. I do nothing except shave face and trim eyebrows a bit. No teeth whitening, though I probably would look better if I did.
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Re: Is ANYTHING real/natural/as God intended, that you SEE on most adult, western women?
Posted by: Dennis S
Date: July 23, 2009 10:46PM
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Re: Is ANYTHING real/natural/as God intended, that you SEE on most adult, western women?
Posted by: AAA
Date: July 24, 2009 07:16AM
Touche
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Re: Is ANYTHING real/natural/as God intended, that you SEE on most adult, western women?
Posted by: MysteryGuest
Date: July 24, 2009 11:10AM
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AAA
I do nothing except shave face and trim eyebrows a bit. No teeth whitening, though I probably would look better if I did.

Ha, an interesting point. Shaving is certainly "not as God intended," and there are, of course, a number of religions that specifically forbid it.

But of course, it's rather more fun to bash the women.
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Re: Is ANYTHING real/natural/as God intended, that you SEE on most adult, western women?
Posted by: AAA
Date: July 24, 2009 12:18PM
Observing is not bashing.
It can make them more desirable to some.
Less to others.
Not a judgment call, just an observation.
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