Anyone feel this one?


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JONES, OK - The USGS confirmed that a 4.0 magnitude Oklahoma earthquake rattled parts of the "Sooner State" just after 9 a.m. Friday morning.

I just moved to Oklahoma to get away from the cold Northern Indiana weather, so far a blizzard Christmas weekend and now an earthquake.

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Ah, but will it be verified as a real earthquake? Or might it have been a mine collapsing? This reminded me of something I'd heard about from Utah a couple of years ago. Apparently what was initially thought to be an earthquake which triggered the collapse of a mine was actually the collapse of a mine that was perceived as an earthquake.

Are there any mines in Oklahoma that just collapsed?!

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USGS lists 4 for Jones, east of Oklahoma city since Monday. 2 today.

Felt both of them. I work on the 4th floor of a building in the medical complex east of downtown Oklahoma City. I thought I felt something before they happened, but it could have been construction on the new buildings around here. The 4.0 rocked the monitors on my desk, and definitely was a different feeling from the floor shaking from someone dropping a nitrogen cylinder next door! Others in the building apparently didn't feel a thing.

Oklahoma! Where the wind comes sweepin' down the... fault?

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C'mon-the New Madrid Fault? You're practically sitting on it!

Yeah, we're supposedly overdue for a "big one" for the New Madrid fault, kind of like the record-breaking blizzard we had over Christmas (fun, that), the drought conditions we have been under for the last several years (10, or so I think), the wildfires we are subject to in the summer when it quits raining, becomes as dry as ... well, think California ... and some bozo throws a lit cigarette out the car window... Not to mention tornado season during both spring and fall, and subsequent flooding in some parts of the state due to the heavy rainfall.

Fun times.

And, as far as mines in Oklahoma, go to the far northeast corner of the state where Kansas, Oklahoma, and Missouri meet. This area was extensively mined for lead and zinc. When the ores played out in the 1960s, those underground mines were closed and the pumps that kept the mines dry were turned off. The mines subsequently flooded, and some have indeed collapsed. During heavy rainfall, the mine water washes out and kills any aquatic life it comes into contact with, damages land it flows over, and causes injury to livestock that comes into contact with it. It has been declared a Superfund site (google Tar Creek Superfund site in Oklahoma), although remediating it is probably impossible given the current state of technology.



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We felt a quake in Detroit back in '88 (I think) that originated from the New Madrid system. Supposedly the "big one" epicentered on the NM would make anything on the San Andreas seem like fun.

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We felt a quake in Detroit back in '88 (I think) that originated from the New Madrid system. Supposedly the "big one" epicentered on the NM would make anything on the San Andreas seem like fun.

Um, and all this time I thought we would have it bad here in CA.

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Yeah, when the NM goes, it apparently goes on, and on, and on, and on, not just a "one and done." It is supposedly because the NM runs trough bedrock that just lets the shock waves keep on rolling. So when NM goes the next time, it ain't going to be pretty and it will wreak havoc for a long way away from the epicenter.

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for those that don't know about the New Madrid fault [en.wikipedia.org]

4 8.0+ quakes in less than 3 months. Rerouted the Mississippi River. Riverboats ended up hundreds of yards away from the river in people's fields.

kap;

The San Andreas keeps moving... a few inches a year. Spots that get hung up, and then break, are earthquakes.

The New Madrid fault, on the other hand... it doesn't move EXCEPT for the quakes..

It's storing up a BIG one.

The New Madrid and the Cascadia Subduction Zone are the only places in North America capable of producing a 9.0+ quake. Well, except Alaska. But they already had their "once in a thousand years" quake in '64.


Maybe I watch too much Discovery Channel, but from where I sit (20 miles east of the triple plate junction between the North American, Pacific, and Juan de Fuca plates), California has it comparatively safe as far as truely massive quakes go.

The next "big one" in California will move the landscape by inches, or maybe feet. The next 9+ quake in Washington state, or along the New Madrid fault will cause movements of yards.

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Thanks Paul F. I feel safe already. Whew!

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No problem man...
6.5's I can handle... Don't like 'em much, but I can cope.

The idea of a 8+ scares the stuffin' out of me.
You're not gettin' me anywhere near a fault system that produces 9's!


OK.. technically, that Cascadia Subduction Zone comes down this far... But I have my own reality distortion field that fixes that.

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I felt a largest one thus far in Northridge while I was in Sta Barbara.

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I can't recommend enough an earthquake kit. I went through the Kobe (Japan) earthquake. A few personal lessons learned:

- Never let the gas gauge go to Empty in your car. The day before, I had a chance to fill up on the way home. The next day was a day off and I thought "I'll do it tomorrow". Now, I never let it go below a quarter tank. More gas in the tank would have given me a better option to get out of the worst damaged zone.

- Keep shoes/slippers by the bed. In Japan, we take off our shoes and store them in the entrance. I got up after the quake, which hit at 5:45AM, and promptly cut my foot on a piece of glass from a broken light fixture.

- Look at your bedroom layouts. Many people were killed by dressers falling on them as they slept. My then 4-year-old son barely missed having a heavy bookshelf fall on him in his bed.

- Keep a traditional telephone around that does not require electric power to run. The power went out, but the phone lines remained on, though sporadic. I was able to plug in an old "Trimline" style phone that operates without electricity and make calls.

I would like to add to Drew recommendations: An emergency kit for your pet/s as well.

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true! extra food for the pets!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We buy cat food by the big bag, and keep it in a 5 gallon bucket with a lid. If there is an emergency, we have a waterproof bucket for their food. When we get down to about 1/2 a bucket left, we buy another big bag.

Our dogs can chow down human grade food so in case of emergency they will survive without dog food. The same cannot be done with felines as they are true carnivores, no?

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well, they will eat cheese (but all cats are lactose intolerant. It gets MESSY!!!!!!!!!!!!!) Mine love chips and salsa, and some other stuff, but are calibrated for kibble. One of the 2 is one heck of a mouser, and his sister has snatched hummingbirds out of the air. They would probably be OK. Indoor only cats would be screwed without food.

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Our dogs can chow down human grade food so in case of emergency they will survive without dog food. The same cannot be done with felines as they are true carnivores, no?

Cats don't get certain enzymes in sufficient quantity from human-foods, but assuming that you're not feeding them something toxic they can usually go a several weeks or even months before the diet irreversibly damages their organs and kills 'em.

Give each adult a mouse-sized portion of beef, fish or chicken twice a day (diced to bite-sized chunks, not ground unless the cat is feeble) and they'll probably be okay for long enough to get the appropriate supplies after a disaster.

yeah, taurine is one of them. from wikipedia

Taurine and cats

Taurine is an essential dietary requirement for feline health, since cats cannot synthesize the compound. The absence of taurine causes a cat's retina to slowly degenerate, causing eye problems and (eventually) irreversible blindness — a condition known as central retinal degeneration (CRD),[57][58] as well as hair loss and tooth decay. It was discovered in 1987 that taurine deficiency can also cause feline dilated cardiomyopathy.[59] Unlike CRD, the condition is reversible with supplementation. Taurine is now a requirement of the Association of American Feed Control Officials (AAFCO) and any dry or wet food product labeled approved by the AAFCO should have a minimum of 0.1% taurine in dry food and 0.2% in wet food.[60]

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I would like to add to Drew recommendations: An emergency kit for your pet/s as well.

Well, we had to eat the cat...

It's a joke!

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It's a joke!

Heh! I got it.

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- Keep a traditional telephone around that does not require electric power to run. The power went out, but the phone lines remained on, though sporadic. I was able to plug in an old "Trimline" style phone that operates without electricity and make calls.

Everybody with a land line should keep that in mind. One may have an emergency in a simple power outage (a vehicle taking out a nearby power pole, xfrmr explosion) and most modern phones (most/many being cordless) won't work with the power out.

In the past, a very few would charge a spare battery and run off that battery in the event of a power failure. I don't know if any phones systems have that feature these days.

Also, 9-1-1 calls from a cellphone can be problematic with no address info automatically available.

If one has a UPS, plugging the cordless into it could buy some time.

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yeah, taurine is one of them. from wikipedia

Taurine and cats

Taurine is an essential dietary requirement for feline health, since cats cannot synthesize the compound. The absence of taurine causes a cat's retina to slowly degenerate, causing eye problems and (eventually) irreversible blindness — a condition known as central retinal degeneration (CRD),[57][58] as well as hair loss and tooth decay. It was discovered in 1987 that taurine deficiency can also cause feline dilated cardiomyopathy.[59] Unlike CRD, the condition is reversible with supplementation. Taurine is now a requirement of the Association of American Feed Control Officials (AAFCO) and any dry or wet food product labeled approved by the AAFCO should have a minimum of 0.1% taurine in dry food and 0.2% in wet food.[60]

What part of a cat's natural diet would provide this?