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Hey 'chip, bought a new car -- with a manual transmission
Posted by: jdc
Date: February 08, 2010 04:41PM
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Re: Hey 'chip, bought a new car -- with a manual transmission
Posted by: N-OS X-tasy!
Date: February 08, 2010 04:48PM
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Re: Hey 'chip, bought a new car -- with a manual transmission
Posted by: Mini 9
Date: February 08, 2010 04:55PM
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Re: Hey 'chip, bought a new car -- with a manual transmission
Posted by: ztirffritz
Date: February 08, 2010 05:00PM
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Re: Hey 'chip, bought a new car -- with a manual transmission
Posted by: davester
Date: February 08, 2010 05:31PM
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Re: Hey 'chip, bought a new car -- with a manual transmission
Posted by: Winston
Date: February 08, 2010 05:39PM
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Re: Hey 'chip, bought a new car -- with a manual transmission
Posted by: Gareth
Date: February 08, 2010 05:41PM
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Mini 9
Dual clutch 'autos' beat manuals. nyah nyah. Change or get used to hearing this GRANDPA SHIFTER!
Re: Hey 'chip, bought a new car -- with a manual transmission
Posted by: N-OS X-tasy!
Date: February 08, 2010 05:48PM
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Re: Hey 'chip, bought a new car -- with a manual transmission
Posted by: C(-)ris
Date: February 08, 2010 05:55PM
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Winston
I really need to get a cheap manual shift car to teach my kids. My dad got a rebuilt 1954 army Jeep when I was a kid.
Would a Jeep be the best choice for learning (other than an Austin Healey, of course)?
- Winston
Re: Hey 'chip, bought a new car -- with a manual transmission
Posted by: artie67
Date: February 08, 2010 06:11PM
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Re: Hey 'chip, bought a new car -- with a manual transmission
Posted by: Z
Date: February 08, 2010 06:30PM
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Re: Hey 'chip, bought a new car -- with a manual transmission
Posted by: Winston
Date: February 08, 2010 06:42PM
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Z
Winston - I picked up a nice 1988 Volvo 244 sedan with 156k mi, five speed, with a dirty fuse that was preventing it from starting for $150 back in Nov. Even had new tires on it. Running and registered now, needs a steering rack and a couple of suspension bits replace and it'll be golden. Moral of the story - get an late-80s Volvo 240 for cheap and it'll be a good learner for them. 82-86 had biodegradable wiring harnesses, so make sure that's been replaced if you're looking earlier (where, coincidentally, there will likely be a greater concentration of manual transmissions.). Plus, it'll be safe for hte kids to learn in.
Re: Hey 'chip, bought a new car -- with a manual transmission
Posted by: Winston
Date: February 08, 2010 06:44PM
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C(-)ris
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Winston
I really need to get a cheap manual shift car to teach my kids. My dad got a rebuilt 1954 army Jeep when I was a kid.
Would a Jeep be the best choice for learning (other than an Austin Healey, of course)?
- Winston
Whatever the cheapest POS car you can find is that still runs. I'd go for an old Jetta or a Fox.
Re: Hey 'chip, bought a new car -- with a manual transmission
Posted by: microchip
Date: February 08, 2010 06:53PM
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Re: Hey 'chip, bought a new car -- with a manual transmission
Posted by: jdc
Date: February 08, 2010 07:12PM
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Re: Hey 'chip, bought a new car -- with a manual transmission
Posted by: Mini 9
Date: February 08, 2010 07:53PM
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Re: Hey 'chip, bought a new car -- with a manual transmission
Posted by: JoeH
Date: February 08, 2010 08:22PM
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davester
You're not really a man unless you drive a crash box like my Austin Healey. If you don't know what a crash box is, go back to your namby pamby car.
Re: Hey 'chip, bought a new car -- with a manual transmission
Posted by: ztirffritz
Date: February 08, 2010 09:56PM
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Re: Hey 'chip, bought a new car -- with a manual transmission
Posted by: artie67
Date: February 08, 2010 11:36PM
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Re: Hey 'chip, bought a new car -- with a manual transmission
Posted by: Thrift Store Scott
Date: February 08, 2010 11:45PM
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I'd say get something with a carburetor and very little power so it'll be intolerant of improper clutch engagement practices and will cough and go dead every time your kids mess up during their lessons. A late '70s/early '80s Toyota Corolla or Nissan (Datsun) 210 would fit those criteria, plus they're both RWD and replacing the clutch on them is relatively easy compared to modern FWD cars.Quote
Winston
I really need to get a cheap manual shift car to teach my kids. My dad got a rebuilt 1954 army Jeep when I was a kid.
Would a Jeep be the best choice for learning (other than an Austin Healey, of course)?
- Winston
Re: Hey 'chip, bought a new car -- with a manual transmission
Posted by: Lux Interior
Date: February 09, 2010 02:25AM
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Re: Hey 'chip, bought a new car -- with a manual transmission
Posted by: Octave Doctor
Date: February 09, 2010 02:28AM
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Re: Hey 'chip, bought a new car -- with a manual transmission
Posted by: Winston
Date: February 09, 2010 03:48AM
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Thrift Store Scott
I'd say get something with a carburetor and very little power so it'll be intolerant of improper clutch engagement practices and will cough and go dead every time your kids mess up during their lessons. A late '70s/early '80s Toyota Corolla or Nissan (Datsun) 210 would fit those criteria, plus they're both RWD and replacing the clutch on them is relatively easy compared to modern FWD cars.Quote
Winston
I really need to get a cheap manual shift car to teach my kids. My dad got a rebuilt 1954 army Jeep when I was a kid.
Would a Jeep be the best choice for learning (other than an Austin Healey, of course)?
- Winston
Re: Hey 'chip, bought a new car -- with a manual transmission
Posted by: Winston
Date: February 09, 2010 03:54AM
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Lux Interior
Every time I rent a car here, they look at my passport and ask, "Can you drive a manual transmission?"
I say yes and they say, "Are you sure?"
Sitting on the peripherique, inching forward every few seconds, I wish I had an auto, however.
Re: Hey 'chip, bought a new car -- with a manual transmission
Posted by: davester
Date: February 09, 2010 06:07AM
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Re: Hey 'chip, bought a new car -- with a manual transmission
Posted by: Winston
Date: February 09, 2010 06:23AM
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davester
I think it would be silly to go to the hassle and expense of buying a car for the sole purpose of teaching someone to drive a manual. My 21 year old daughter bought a Miata 5 speed a few years ago and had never driven a manual. I taught her over a period of about an hour...no big deal. It's not exactly a necessary life skill. It would be like teaching someone to roller skate on the off chance that they wanted to try roller skating years from now.
Re: Hey 'chip, bought a new car -- with a manual transmission
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: February 09, 2010 06:49AM
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Re: Hey 'chip, bought a new car -- with a manual transmission
Posted by: billb
Date: February 09, 2010 07:22AM
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Re: Hey 'chip, bought a new car -- with a manual transmission
Posted by: Mini 9
Date: February 09, 2010 07:26AM
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Re: Hey 'chip, bought a new car -- with a manual transmission
Posted by: Winston
Date: February 09, 2010 08:47AM
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cbelt3
Teaching to drive on a stick is *not* hard on the clutch. It's merely hard on the teacher... hop, hop, stall..... hop, hop, stall....
Re: Hey 'chip, bought a new car -- with a manual transmission
Posted by: mrbigstuff
Date: February 09, 2010 08:56AM
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Z
Winston - I picked up a nice 1988 Volvo 244 sedan with 156k mi, five speed, with a dirty fuse that was preventing it from starting for $150 back in Nov. Even had new tires on it. Running and registered now, needs a steering rack and a couple of suspension bits replace and it'll be golden. Moral of the story - get an late-80s Volvo 240 for cheap and it'll be a good learner for them. 82-86 had biodegradable wiring harnesses, so make sure that's been replaced if you're looking earlier (where, coincidentally, there will likely be a greater concentration of manual transmissions.). Plus, it'll be safe for hte kids to learn in.
Re: Hey 'chip, bought a new car -- with a manual transmission
Posted by: mrbigstuff
Date: February 09, 2010 08:58AM
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billb
When you're good you only need the clutch to get the car (or truck) rolling.
Re: Hey 'chip, bought a new car -- with a manual transmission
Posted by: billb
Date: February 09, 2010 09:24AM
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Re: Hey 'chip, bought a new car -- with a manual transmission
Posted by: davester
Date: February 09, 2010 11:48AM
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Winston
That's not the impression I have from reading about modern cars. They've made the clutches lighter in weight, and they burn out more easily if abused. Lots of hills where we are.
Re: Hey 'chip, bought a new car -- with a manual transmission
Posted by: freeradical
Date: February 09, 2010 12:12PM
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Lux Interior
Every time I rent a car here, they look at my passport and ask, "Can you drive a manual transmission?"
I say yes and they say, "Are you sure?"
Sitting on the peripherique, inching forward every few seconds, I wish I had an auto, however.
Re: Hey 'chip, bought a new car -- with a manual transmission
Posted by: Mini 9
Date: February 09, 2010 12:19PM
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Re: Hey 'chip, bought a new car -- with a manual transmission
Posted by: Grateful11
Date: February 09, 2010 02:06PM
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Re: Hey 'chip, bought a new car -- with a manual transmission
Posted by: davester
Date: February 09, 2010 02:19PM
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Re: Hey 'chip, bought a new car -- with a manual transmission
Posted by: Winston
Date: February 09, 2010 02:20PM
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davester
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Winston
That's not the impression I have from reading about modern cars. They've made the clutches lighter in weight, and they burn out more easily if abused. Lots of hills where we are.
I don't think so. A clutch is a very simple arrangement of friction pad and pressure plate. The friction material is pretty universal and the pressure plate springs have to be rated for the strength of the typical driver's clutch leg and the torque capacity of the engine. A high performance clutch would have stronger springs (and therefore require more strength to disengage) so that you could get faster off-the-line high throttle starts, but who drives like that? Except for those racing applications a clutch is essentially a switch...it's either engaged or disengaged. There's really not much in there that could be made "heavier in weight" that would allow them to be abused more. The only abuse that the clutch won't be able to take is someone riding and slipping the clutch, which would be the same for a standard or high performance clutch.
Re: Hey 'chip, bought a new car -- with a manual transmission
Posted by: davester
Date: February 09, 2010 02:47PM
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Winston
Either way, the learning process puts some additional wear on a clutch, and I have four kids to teach. So a vehicle with a heavier-duty clutch (which I assume a Jeep would have) might make sense.
Re: Hey 'chip, bought a new car -- with a manual transmission
Posted by: Winston
Date: February 09, 2010 03:19PM
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davester
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Winston
Either way, the learning process puts some additional wear on a clutch, and I have four kids to teach. So a vehicle with a heavier-duty clutch (which I assume a Jeep would have) might make sense.
Could be, or perhaps the opposite is true. A lightweight vehicle with a small engine would put much lower torque on the components and since the material strength is likely the same on both the lighter and heavier vehicle the wear might be less for the lightweight vehicle. I don't know this for a fact, just pointing out that heavier construction often doesn't mean more strength or better wear characteristics.
Re: Hey 'chip, bought a new car -- with a manual transmission
Posted by: sunfalcon
Date: February 09, 2010 06:11PM
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Re: Hey 'chip, bought a new car -- with a manual transmission
Posted by: Lux Interior
Date: February 10, 2010 01:31AM
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Winston
Just watch out for the "priority on the right" rule.
I had a car when I lived in Paris in the early '80s. I remember driving in traffic when I was bumping mirrors with cars on both sides.
But while the traffic in Paris seems crazy to Americans, I found that far more drivers there pay attention and follow the driving rules than is the case in the US.