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A little more green (Gas price map)
Posted by: SteveJobs
Date: April 28, 2006 07:14AM
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We want GREEN! We want GREEN!



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Re: A little more green (Gas price map)
Posted by: ajakeski
Date: April 28, 2006 07:26AM
No green in Wisconsin.




I'm not a bad guy! I work hard, and I love my kids. So why should I spend half my Sunday hearing about how I'm going to Hell? -Homer.
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Re: A little more green (Gas price map)
Posted by: shadow
Date: April 28, 2006 07:34AM
No we don't.

All "green" does in this case is extend our addiction to oil.

This is no different than a drug dealer giving you a few free hits because he sees your only other option is getting cleaned up.

We can't depend on free market economics as the oil monopoly will always keep the price of oil just below the price that would cause people to seriously consider alternative fuels.

While I am a staunch "Republitarian", the government has to step in here and I don't mean by going after the oil companies for windfall profits or getting rid of gas tax or lifting pollution controls.

Crunch the numbers, come up with a solid, 10 - 20 year, multi-pronged renewable resource plan and "encourage" transitions with financial incentives (progressively increasing tax on fossil fuel use, additional taxes on automakers that don't provide alternative fueled vehicles fleet-wide and don't increase mileage by significant amounts).

Personally, I'd rather pay $6 / gallon for domestic, renewable E85 for the next 10 years and $3/gal thereafter, then pay $3 / gal for import-based gas now and $6/gal down the line for many decades.

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- Shadow




Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/28/2006 07:35AM by shadow.
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Re: A little more green (Gas price map)
Posted by: SteveJobs
Date: April 28, 2006 07:43AM
Sorry. What WAS I thinking????

We want RED! We want RED! We want RED!





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Re: A little more green (Gas price map)
Posted by: Grateful11
Date: April 28, 2006 08:02AM
Last week green was like $2.37/gallon. I believe they've change the
scale/legend of the map. Those of you who think
the higher the better. Polls have already shown people are
just going to keep paying more, they're not going to get on a
bus or a train to commute. I agree that we need to cut back
and I'm doing what I can. It's the elderly that are getting
stuck with $400-500/month heating bills that really bug the h@ll
out of me. Most of them simply can't afford to upgrade their
homes in order to save money on heat but then again I doubt
you care or have thought about that. I know people that are
surviving on less than $500/month during their retirement. I
don't see how they make do but they're doing it somehow.



Grateful11
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Re: A little more green (Gas price map)
Posted by: SteveJobs
Date: April 28, 2006 08:24AM
Why would you doutbt that I care?
Anecdotally, my heating bill was DOWN from last year. More conservation. I think I paid about $120/month and was able to get it down to under $90 or so.

Yeah, I'm not sure I am in the position to MOVE to a higher-cost of living area just to be closer to work to save on gas money. Can't bike 70 miles a day, especially in the bad weather. And the return on higher mileage hybrids only begin after about 95,000 miles. So, cost more NOW in car prices, to hopefully save some money after about 6 years.



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Re: A little more green (Gas price map)
Posted by: shadow
Date: April 28, 2006 08:28AM
Grateful11 Wrote:
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> Polls have already shown people are
> just going to keep paying more, they're not going
> to get on a bus or a train to commute.

Maybe that's because they have exactly 0 other options when it comes to buying gas. It's a silly question because people will pay whatever the stations charge.

It's a question of curtailing usage.

Those people that can take the bus or the train generally already do. Those of us that can't can only make usage changes - getting a different, higher efficiency car, driving less, carpooling, etc. If you can't make any of those changes, you will pay, no matter the cost.

- Shadow


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Re: A little more green (Gas price map)
Posted by: Grateful11
Date: April 28, 2006 08:55AM
Steve I wasn't refering to you not caring.

When gas is $6/gal, fuel oil is going to be $5.50/gal and
anyone wishing for such to me doesn't care about the elderly
that can't do anything about their situation, sure they can
cut back their driving some, many only go out now to get
prescriptions, get groceries and to go to church. How is
$6/gal gas good for them?



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Re: A little more green (Gas price map)
Posted by: SteveJobs
Date: April 28, 2006 09:06AM
oh, okay. smiling smiley

Again, there has to be a price point when alternative fuels (even wood), will be viable.



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Re: A little more green (Gas price map)
Posted by: shadow
Date: April 28, 2006 09:38AM
Grateful11 Wrote:
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> How is $6/gal gas good for them?

In any conversion, there are going to be people that need help. That's where subsidies and tax breaks come in to play.

Maybe instead of spending billions of dollars to make sure Ma Kettle can still get her soaps when we reach the sunset period for analog broadcasts, the US could focus on more important things for these people, like heat.

- Shadow
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Re: A little more green (Gas price map)
Posted by: shadow
Date: April 28, 2006 09:40AM
SteveJobs Wrote:
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> Again, there has to be a price point when
> alternative fuels (even wood), will be viable.

Right now, assuming you have the appropriate furnace, it costs the same to heat a home with wood pellets as is does with propane. Using firewood, it costs about 40% less.

But it's all supply and demand. Demand goes up, supply goes down, price goes up.

- Shadow




Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 04/28/2006 09:51AM by shadow.
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