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“PowerPoint makes us stupid,” Gen. James N. Mattis of the Marine Corp
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: April 26, 2010 10:53PM
NY Times has an article you've GOTTA Agree With
“It’s dangerous because it can create the illusion of understanding and the illusion of control,” General McMaster said in a telephone interview afterward. “Some problems in the world are not bullet-izable.”
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Article ends with the best bit:
Senior officers say the program does come in handy when the goal is not imparting information, as in briefings for reporters.

The news media sessions often last 25 minutes, with 5 minutes left at the end for questions from anyone still awake. Those types of PowerPoint presentations, Dr. Hammes said, are known as “hypnotizing chickens.”jest smiley



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Re: “PowerPoint makes us stupid,” Gen. James N. Mattis of the Marine Corp
Posted by: davester
Date: April 26, 2010 11:07PM
I've always thought that Powerpoint was a pathetic, superfluous program. Whenever I'm in a presentation that has been done with a powerpoint default theme I get a queasy "this is going to be awful" feeling. There are a lot of guides for how to do a good presentation, and it seems that none of them have been incorporated into the powerpoint software.



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Re: “PowerPoint makes us stupid,” Gen. James N. Mattis of the Marine Corp
Posted by: ka jowct
Date: April 26, 2010 11:16PM
It's an awful program, and I don't think it's all that helpful as a means of communication.

Aside from that: we used to get images from clients that had been embedded in PP because they couldn't figure out other ways to get them to us. And there are people who use it as sort of a graphics app. Yuck. A few friends have sent me "must-see" images trapped in pp files, and I don't usually even bother to open them.
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Re: “PowerPoint makes us stupid,” Gen. James N. Mattis of the Marine Corp
Posted by: Acer
Date: April 26, 2010 11:42PM
I avoid words, and prefer to structure the presentation around photographs, like the slide shows of yore. Makes for a much more engaging presentation. If photographs don't suit, (say, in outlining your plan to win in Afghanistan), then use words, but as few as possible per slide.
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Re: “PowerPoint makes us stupid,” Gen. James N. Mattis of the Marine Corp
Posted by: ajakeski
Date: April 26, 2010 11:50PM
I agree. Every time I go to a training seminar. It consists mainly of someone reading their powerpoint presentation out loud. There's nothing to be learned from that.




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Re: “PowerPoint makes us stupid,” Gen. James N. Mattis of the Marine Corp
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: April 27, 2010 12:07AM
I agree. Every time I go to a training seminar. It consists mainly of someone reading their powerpoint presentation out loud. There's nothing to be learned from that.

I agree.

Yet PowerPoint presentations are mandated by CLEA and (I think) POST, because today's students are "visual learners".






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Re: “PowerPoint makes us stupid,” Gen. James N. Mattis of the Marine Corp
Posted by: Greg
Date: April 27, 2010 12:12AM
PowerPoint is wonderful, when used well. Which is rare.
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Re: “PowerPoint makes us stupid,” Gen. James N. Mattis of the Marine Corp
Posted by: Will Collier
Date: April 27, 2010 06:27AM
You guys have NO idea how much of a problem this is. Every branch of the military (as well as all their contractors) literally runs on PowerPoint.
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Re: “PowerPoint makes us stupid,” Gen. James N. Mattis of the Marine Corp
Posted by: Mini 9
Date: April 27, 2010 06:51AM
I would think a military guy would think many problems are "BULLET"-izable. smiling smiley
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Re: “PowerPoint makes us stupid,” Gen. James N. Mattis of the Marine Corp
Posted by: threeprong
Date: April 27, 2010 08:10AM
PowerPoint is a tool.

Use it well or not.

Don't blame the tool.
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Re: “PowerPoint makes us stupid,” Gen. James N. Mattis of the Marine Corp
Posted by: freeradical
Date: April 27, 2010 10:46AM
HyperCard presentations would be better than Powerpoint.
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Re: “PowerPoint makes us stupid,” Gen. James N. Mattis of the Marine Corp
Posted by: graylocks
Date: April 27, 2010 10:50AM
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threeprong
PowerPoint is a tool.

Use it well or not.

Don't blame the tool.

unfortunately too many use this tool as a crutch. when my son started conventional public high school (after homeschooling through 8th grade) we found he had to get up to speed with PowerPoint. that was not a problem. what was, and remains, a problem for me is that the reports he is expected to do in PowerPoint do not require depth - just lots of images and terse bullet points. it's nothing more than jazzed up busy work that enables the school to pass its curricula off as technology savvy.



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Re: “PowerPoint makes us stupid,” Gen. James N. Mattis of the Marine Corp
Posted by: BernDog
Date: April 27, 2010 02:02PM
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graylocks
...when my son started conventional public...school...it's nothing more than jazzed up busy work that enables the school to pass its curricula off...

There. I fixed that for you.

Our school is big into "differentiated instruction" this year. That means covering the bases for kids of different learning styles, yes, but among other things, it also includes using "anchor activities". In other words, activities to keep the smart kids busy while the dumb kids catch up. I know that in some classrooms, creating PowerPoint presentations is used extensively for this purpose.
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Re: “PowerPoint makes us stupid,” Gen. James N. Mattis of the Marine Corp
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: April 27, 2010 02:22PM
PowerPoint is often used as Gospel when it's more like Cliff Notes.

This goes to my and others' impression that students today (I know- a very broad brush) are visual only learners and need and rely on just the "bullet points".

Pictures, 8x10 color glossies with lines and arrows and a paragraph on the back are well and good if they enhance a presentation, not if they are the sole source of information.






I am that Masked Man.

All you can do, is all you can do.

There’s trouble — it's time to play the sound of my people.

Your boos mean nothing to me, I've seen what you cheer for.

Insisting on your rights without acknowledging your responsibilities isn’t freedom, it’s adolescence.

I've been to the edge of the map, and there be monsters.

We are a government of laws, not men.

Everybody counts or nobody counts.

When a good man is hurt,
all who would be called good
must suffer with him.

At the going down of the sun and in the morning
We will remember them.

You and I have memories longer than the road that stretches out ahead.

There is no safety for honest men except
by believing all possible evil of evil men.

We don’t do focus groups. They just ensure that you don’t offend anyone, and produce bland inoffensive products. —Sir Jonathan Ive

An armed society is a polite society.
And hope is a lousy defense.

You make me pull, I'll put you down.

I *love* SIGs. It's Glocks I hate.
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Re: “PowerPoint makes us stupid,” Gen. James N. Mattis of the Marine Corp
Posted by: blooz
Date: April 27, 2010 04:23PM
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks that people projecting a short sentence on to a screen and then reading it out loud is stupid.
My experience is solely with company "training" sessions where everyone was actually literate.
There may be other situations where this is useful. ESL classes possibly.



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Re: “PowerPoint makes us stupid,” Gen. James N. Mattis of the Marine Corp
Posted by: Sam3
Date: April 27, 2010 08:28PM
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threeprong
PowerPoint is a tool.

Use it well or not.

Don't blame the tool.

I heartily agree!

I took a PowerPoint class, well it was a Graphics class that used PowerPoint as the tool. Two things were emphasized; the graphical nature of PowerPoint and it's uses as an art tool, and the misuse of PowerPoint in presentations. The instructor was emphatic in stating that the proper use of PowerPoint is as an assistant to the presentation, it is not to be used as the presentation. PowerPoint is not supposed to do the work, the presenter is.

I think PowerPoint is a pretty nifty tool, though I think that Keynote does it better.

PowerPoint, in presentations, should not be considered as anything more than a nifty, 21st century version of the overhead projector.
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Re: “PowerPoint makes us stupid,” Gen. James N. Mattis of the Marine Corp
Posted by: ka jowct
Date: April 27, 2010 09:36PM
I use art tools. I don't consider PP to be one.
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