as the truth sinks in i'm starting to think about what we should do as a memorial. the facebook group makes it clear this forum is small compared to the larger group of people she touched. i'm curious who should serve as a contact for the mac forum and for any larger efforts.

i'd like to see both a memorial for her and a symbol of condolences for greg.

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Just come home and seen this sad news, my deepest sympathy to her family and friends.

Paul

My sincere condolences to Greg and those close to her. Words fail me.

Like others have said, it's startling how a "virtual" friend can have such a strong impact.

When I looked at all the pictures of Kathy's models, these lines came back to me:


"When old age shall this generation waste,
Thou shalt remain, in midst of other woe
Than ours, a friend to man, to whom thou say'st,
'Beauty is truth, truth beauty,' - that is all
Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know."

From "Ode On a Grecian Urn" — John Keats

Farewell for now, MacGurl.

This is indeed a sad day.
Godspeed, Kathy.

Greg, my condolences.

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i'm curious who should serve as a contact for the mac forum and for any larger efforts.

i'd like to see both a memorial for her and a symbol of condolences for greg.

I've taken up this task more than once in the past and would be happy to do it again, but since I am still recovering from surgery will need to pass for now. I'll be happy to help anyone who volunteers.

DM

I once perused her site long before she and greg were married.

There was a long essay on her ex hubby (or was it bf) that dumped her. She was very sad and was trying to realize that SHE was ok, that he had made a mistake.

The more I read, the more I came to really like this girl. But as a livelong sufferer of depression, I think I recognized it in her as well. Thinking back - it's obvious. I remember thinking how great it was that she and greg got married - perhaps that would turn it around.

On the subject of suicide... it's really scary for anyone with deep depression. It's never far away. While walking across town one day, I was in my own little world - hardly noticing my surroundings when suddenly bells started ringing as rail crossing barrier came down right in front of me. The train was coming... This was it - a perfect opportunity just came out of the blue. But did I really want to?

A million thoughts rushed through my mind and most of them were about the people I'd leave behind. I just couldn't do that to the people I loved. The rest of the day was a waste. People in the midst of depression just can't think very clearly. But it was that day that I realized that I would never commit suicide as long as there were people left behind that I cared about.

Over the years, I came to think of suicide as something that only a horrible person would do to the ones they loved, but now that it's' happened, I just can't level those kind of feelings at Kathy.

Some years after the train incident, I found myself in another downward spiral and recognized that if I didn't do SOMETHING, I'd completely run out of money in a few months.

I managed to have enough clarity to realize that I was heading on a path to doom and very suddenly revealed my secret depression to my family and friends and announced that I was about to lean heavily on all of them at some time or another. That's when I broke down and sought therapy. A couple of years later I was a different person. I still have battles with depression, but I now have an arsenal at hand to help me fight it.

So people - please, please seek out help before you do something this horrible to yourself, and worse, to the people who will live with the memory for the rest of their lives.

I'm very sorry Greg and know that no matter what happened, it was her and not you that did this. YOU didn't cause her to go this route and nothing you would have done would have stopped her - if anything, you gave her several great years and helped push this day back farther away.

I'm sorry if I presume too much, but if I can get one person to change their course, I think it's worth posting this.

I'm very sorry to hear this. My sincerest condolences to Greg & family.

woah, this isn't what I was expecting when I opened this thread, very sorry to hear this.
My condolences go out to Greg and to Kathy's family and friends, now excuse me, I think I have to go have a good cry.

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The Taoist Zhuangzi said, "Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone".
The sociologist, and historian, Adam Ferguson described the phenomenon of spontaneous order in society as the "result of human action, but not the execution of any human design".

Peace to Kathy and solace to Greg that her pain has ended. Words are not sufficient.

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MacBook Pro 14 inch 2021
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As usual, others have expressed better than I know how. My heart goes out to Kathy's family and friends.

Hal,
Wow.
Depression has been a constant struggle for a couple of people who are near and dear to me.

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SoCal for now.

Words on a forum just can't express.

My condolences

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OWC Larry
Other World Computing
[www.macsales.com]

Wow. RIP Kathy.

Greg,
Our condolences to you and your families.
Words fail to express what we are all feeling right now.
Please let us know if we can do anything.

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Birdmanjeff


www.magfundraising.com/faleofamilyadoption
www.cafepress.com/aviary

A tragedy. Condolences to Greg and her family. The world is diminished.

After reading hal's post I am even more upset. Hell, I'm just about crying here now. I didn't realize this was the cause.

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JoeM

So sorry to hear this. Greg, please take care of yourself, and remember that you are in our thoughts as well.

A surprise to many of us. Condolences to the dogsitter.

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RIP Kathy.

Condolences to you Greg and your families.

My condolences to you, Greg and your and her families.

I don't know what else to say, many above have expressed well-said thoughts that I can only agree with.

I'm so sorry Greg. You and everyone around you are in my thoughts.

-M

I wish we could have raced against each other.

I'll miss you.

My deepest sympathy and condolences to the family. And Greg, we are all here for you if you need anything from us.

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Formerly known as Dennis R

Oh, no.
I knew her loss of appetite post a few days ago was not a good sign.
RIP

Greg - my heartfelt condolences to you and your family.

So very, very sorry for your loss, Greg. DaviDC is right - few of us have ever met and yet we're as devastated by your loss as if we'd lived across the street from you for 40 years. You are in my family's thoughts.

I saw this first thing this morning and have avoided it all day, hoping there was some sort of mistake. Such sad news. Like others here, I followed the Greg and Kathy story and thought it was so cool they way they got together. But all stories have an end and there's no guarantee of a happy one. My condolences to Greg and both their families.

Sad happens.

This was a really bad sad.

Words alone cannot convey the healing power of time,
but they can convey that others are with you as your journey through time, while sadly altered, continues.
You can see from this thread, it will continue with the help and caring of many others.

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Sometimes it is what it is...
and then there's times when it's really better.



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What a sad ending to a wonderful love story. Greg, know that we are so sorry for your loss and know that Kathy painted all of our hearts with her undeniable spirit. We were privileged to have met her. Please let us know if there is anything we can do for you, help with the dogs and cats, anything.

Hal, what a moving tribute you wrote. Bless you.

I don't know what to say. I don't know what to do.

I, too, have sensed there was something wrong.

Peace, Kathy

tragic is all I can think of.

RIP Kathy

Just came to the forum after long day at work and am stunned. And I can't add anything to what everyone else has written.
For the record I did not know that Greg the dogsitter and MacGurl were together. But I'm always finding out things too late.
My sincere and utmost heartfelt condolences to you and your family.

I'm not sure if it's appropriate at this time or not but there's a Youtube video about the Model Horse
Hobby that has Kathy in the video. If it's inappropriate to post this link please remove it. It helps
me to put a face to the very tragic situation. She was a very talented artist.

[www.youtube.com]

Her studio link:

[www.dragonflightstudio.com]

Sorry Greg, thoughts are with you.

Greg, you are in our hearts and prayers.

Yeah, I did the say it isn't so, I'll post later bit too.
Still at a loss for the right thing to say. Is there a right thing to say? Newlyweds. Whippersnappers. Why?

I can only imagine the pain of replying to this and countless other forums. Thank You Greg. May you find more strength in the days to come.

Bernie

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Staunton, Virginia

As others have indicated by their posts, that which happens in this virtual community has a tendency to produce strong feelings among those of us, who have been sharing about our computers and our lives for many years.

I am shocked and saddened by the news about "MacGurl."

My condolences to her family and friends.

Tonight, there are people weeping all over America--maybe even all over the world--for MacGurl/Kathy McKenzie. I know, because I'm one of them. Rest in peace, Kathy, and condolences to your family and countless friends. We tried to help. I'm so sorry we failed. :c(

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Central VA

Horses - Rickie Lee Jones


We will fly way up high
Where the cold wind blows
Or in the sun, laughing and having fun
With the people that she knows
And if the situation should keep us separated
You know the world won't fall apart
And you will free the beautiful bird
That's caught inside your heart

Can't you hear her?
Oh she cries so loud
Casts her wild note
Over water and cloud

That's the way it's gonna be, little darlin'
We'll be riding on the horses, yeah
Way up in the sky, little darlin'
And if you fall I'll pick you up, pick you up

You will grow, and until you go
I'll be right there by your side
And even then, whisper the wind
And she will carry up your ride
I hear all the people of the world
In a little bird's lonely cry
See them trying every way they know how
To make their spirits fly

Can't you see him?
He's down on the ground
He has a broken wing
Looking all around

That's the way it's gonna be, little darlin'
You'll be riding on the horses, yeah
Way up in the sky, little darlin'
And if you fall I'll pick you up, pick you up

Don't worry 'bout a thing little girl
Because I was young myself not so long ago
And when I was young, when I was young
And when I was young, oh I was a wild, wild one.





RIP Kathie

RIP

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My deepest sympathies and condolences are extended to Kathy's and Greg's families on Kathy's/McGurl's sudden passing. She will be missed by all of us.

R.I.P. Kathy

Really sorry to hear this, RIP Kathy, my thoughts are with Greg and the families.

I am still in shock about this.

Could I please ask a favor of everyone on this forum, before you EVER do something tragic, please have a look back at this thread first???

Then you will realize that someone, somewhere (or in Kathy's case, a LOT of someones, everywhere) will MISS you terribly, and it's never nearly really as bleak as you may think it is.

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Freya says, 'Hello from NOLA, baby!' (Laissez bon temps rouler!)

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It's never nearly really as bleak as you may think it is.

Unfortunately she didn't see it that way.

RIP Kathy.

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Comedy Central: Best news channel that isn't a news channel.

Fox News: Best comedy channel that isn't a comedy channel.

Let me add my name to the list of good folks here who feel they are part of a unique community, one that is now diminished. Condolences to the family.

So very tragic. RIP Kathy. Our thoughts are with you Greg, take care of yourself.

Rest in peace dear Kathy.

What an outpouring of love.

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A man who is of "sound mind" is one who keeps the inner madman under lock and key.
(Paul Valery)

Very sorry to hear about this. I used to chat with her and greg all the time. Greg, my sincerest condolences. As someone who faced death 8 months ago, I know how fleeting life is.

She was a good egg, Sorry to hear this news.

Ah, so sad.

I'll miss your posts, MacGurl.

Greg, my sympathy to you and your family. Take care of yourself. please.

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And we should consider every day lost on which we have not danced at least once.
—Friedrich Nietzsche
Western Massachusetts