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Surprise! social security checks are the first to stop
Posted by: Dakota
Date: July 12, 2011 06:28PM
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Re: Surprise! social security checks are the first to stop
Posted by: hal
Date: July 12, 2011 06:33PM
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Re: Surprise! social security checks are the first to stop
Posted by: john dough
Date: July 12, 2011 06:37PM
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Re: Surprise! social security checks are the first to stop
Posted by: haikuman
Date: July 12, 2011 06:46PM
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john dough
It is telling when we are spending hundreds of billions of dollars on war, not a peep about reckless spending and racking up huge amounts of debt. When it comes to funding the middle class and seniors, the GOP leadership has a hissy fit. We are just trying to pay down all of the debt that W ran up, when he did not put it in the budget.
Shows you where the GOP's leaders true allegiances lie (solely with their handlers, NOT their constituents). I wish more people saw what damage they are doing to America. They care far too much about playing politics rather than actually working to fix problems.
The country is not a better place with these crooks in power.
Re: Surprise! social security checks are the first to stop
Posted by: $tevie
Date: July 12, 2011 08:29PM
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Re: Surprise! social security checks are the first to stop
Posted by: Dakota
Date: July 12, 2011 08:43PM
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Re: Surprise! social security checks are the first to stop
Posted by: john dough
Date: July 12, 2011 08:53PM
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Re: Surprise! social security checks are the first to stop
Posted by: seeing.the.unseeable
Date: July 13, 2011 12:11AM
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john dough
Ifyou are not rich(which I seriously doubt), you arecoming across asa first class idiot. You areno better than thesefools that are wrecking this country for glory and their own ego.
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john dough
It is getting old hearing your bleating here, every damn day, and not once do you offer how your party can actually help this country. If you think that the GOP has better ideas than the Democrats, let's hear them.
List them out, as I really don't care where the ideas are coming from. Otherwise, you can pretty much @#$%& as no one like a constant complainer.
Re: Surprise! social security checks are the first to stop
Posted by: haikuman
Date: July 13, 2011 12:19AM
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seeing.the.unseeable
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john dough
Ifyou are not rich(which I seriously doubt), you arecoming across asa first class idiot. You areno better than thesefools that are wrecking this country for glory and their own ego.
Fixed that, inasmuch as it could be fixed.
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john dough
It is getting old hearing your bleating here, every damn day, and not once do you offer how your party can actually help this country. If you think that the GOP has better ideas than the Democrats, let's hear them.
List them out, as I really don't care where the ideas are coming from. Otherwise, you can pretty much @#$%& as no one like a constant complainer.
They have no ideas; Dakota merely parrots the orders he receives from the barren wasteland.
And it's not much more than team sport to these feebs - at least not until it comes home to roost and bites them squarely on the backside.
At which point it all becomes a big, bad lib'rul conspiracy to deprive them of their freedoms.
Cretinous faecal encephalos, to a one.
Re: Surprise! social security checks are the first to stop
Posted by: Ted King
Date: July 13, 2011 08:37AM
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Re: Surprise! social security checks are the first to stop
Posted by: Dakota
Date: July 13, 2011 08:42AM
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Re: Surprise! social security checks are the first to stop
Posted by: DaveS
Date: July 13, 2011 09:11AM
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john dough
... If you think that the GOP has better ideas than the Democrats, let's hear them.
List them out, as I really don't care where the ideas are coming from. Otherwise, you can pretty much @#$%& as no one like a constant complainer.
Re: Surprise! social security checks are the first to stop
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: July 13, 2011 09:20AM
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Re: Surprise! social security checks are the first to stop
Posted by: Dakota
Date: July 13, 2011 09:25AM
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cbelt3
DaveS...
Yes but... there are no 'one weird trick' solutions to this issue. We have to do both.. reduce spending AND increase taxes.
(Man.. I can't believe I wrote that. Ow.)
Re: Surprise! social security checks are the first to stop
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: July 13, 2011 10:50AM
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Re: Surprise! social security checks are the first to stop
Posted by: Acer
Date: July 13, 2011 11:38AM
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Re: Surprise! social security checks are the first to stop
Posted by: billb
Date: July 13, 2011 12:37PM
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Re: Surprise! social security checks are the first to stop
Posted by: Ted King
Date: July 13, 2011 12:44PM
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billb
It's just another bold faced lie.
Social Security checks went out in 1995-96.
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So, in 1995, the bottom line was that checks went out pretty much as they were supposed to. Does that mean they will if there’s a shutdown this year?
White House Press Secretary Jay Carney addressed the question during his Feb. 24, 2011, press briefing. Asked by a reporter why checks might not go out in 2011 like they did in 1995, Carney suggested that at least some beneficiaries may not be able to receive adequate customer services during a shutdown due to workers being furloughed.
"The president was pointing out some of the consequences, the potential consequences of failing to act, of failing to prevent a shutdown," Carney said. "And some recipients, new retirees, new applicants might not receive their checks. If retirees have questions about their checks, if they didn't get their check in the mail, if they had a change of address, all those things could prevent them from getting their checks. So there are, obviously, consequences that directly affect people who are recipients of Social Security benefits."
This statement -- which is noticeably more nuanced than Obama’s original comment -- comes close to the assessments of experts we spoke to. They told us it’s likely that payments will once again be made -- but there’s no guarantee. As CRS put it, while "past experience may inform future OMB and agency decisions," past precedents on activities and personnel "would not necessarily hold for any future shutdown."
Experts told us that there is enough of a gray area that it’s impossible to say with certainty that checks will go out during the next shutdown.
Re: Surprise! social security checks are the first to stop
Posted by: billb
Date: July 13, 2011 12:51PM
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Re: Surprise! social security checks are the first to stop
Posted by: Dakota
Date: July 13, 2011 01:49PM
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cbelt3
Dakota-
If it's not obvious already, I'm not a closed-minded ideologue. The definition of insane is doing the same thing and expecting different results.
Even a conservative recognizes that debts need to be paid.
Re: Surprise! social security checks are the first to stop
Posted by: Dakota
Date: July 13, 2011 01:50PM
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Acer
NPR addressed this yesterday afternoon. We DO have enough to write the SS security checks...as long as we don't pay any military salaries.
SIEGEL: If, let's say, the Treasury has said, well, pay the seniors their Social Security, pay the creditors what they're owed on paper, pay Medicare, what wouldn't be paid in that case?
Mr. POWELL: Well, we did an example on our presentation, and in that example, we've made all the social safety net payments, so it's Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, food stamps and the like and interest, of course, which will be the first thing paid, and you can do all of that with the incoming cash flows in August.
What you didn't pay, which you weren't able to pay, is a single dollar for defense, including active-duty military, including the whole Pentagon and all payments to creditors in the defense area. You couldn't keep the Justice Department. We wouldn't have $1 for the FBI, for the courts, for the prisons. So - and it goes on and on. The Education Department would be closed, and many, many other Cabinet departments. So however you move the chess pieces around here, you lose.
[www.npr.org]
Re: Surprise! social security checks are the first to stop
Posted by: DaveS
Date: July 13, 2011 08:20PM
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cbelt3
DaveS...
Yes but... there are no 'one weird trick' solutions to this issue. We have to do both.. reduce spending AND increase taxes.
(Man.. I can't believe I wrote that. Ow.)
Gutting the federal budget would have a similar effect to allowing default. The federal budget 'employs' millions upon millions of Americans, either directly or indirectly.
Look at the situation many states are in... state and local employees unemployed, and this drives all the people that support THEM out of business as well.
(Man.. I can't believe I wrote that either. Ow.)
Encourage US job growth by business ? You betcha. And there's a budgetary COST to that... tax benefits, training programs, tuition assistance, etc..
We live in a complex economy where business and government are interdependent. We must hang together, or we will surely all hang separately.