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Virginia denies benefits to illegals.
Posted by: La_tuya
Date: January 01, 2006 01:59PM
[www.washingtontimes.com]
Associated Press, by Dionne Walker
RICHMOND -- A new Virginia law that bars illegal aliens from receiving state-funded
benefits goes into effect tomorrow. The law restricts anybody without a Social Security
number from receiving Medicaid, temporary assistance for needy families, and help from
several other state and local programs. Supporters say the measure could save the state
millions


Good. Let Mexico tend to its own poor huddled masses for a change.

Virginia is for lovers, not illegals.
New State slogan.
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EEEhaw! Good job Virginia!
Posted by: Macaficionado
Date: January 01, 2006 02:13PM
Good Lord, it's way past time to derail the gravy train for
illegals. What we save by not giving them entitlement
packages we could build a nice wall/fence along the border.
I just wish that the President would wake up and see the
damage the illegals have done. In the local daily I note
that most of the drunk driving accidents and hit and run and
drug busts involve Mexican names. Get 'em out
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Re: Virginia denies benefits to illegals.
Posted by: Spock
Date: January 01, 2006 03:23PM




Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/02/2006 01:04PM by Spock.
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Re: EEEhaw! Good job Virginia!
Posted by: JoeM
Date: January 01, 2006 04:39PM
Macaficionado Wrote:
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> I just wish that the President would wake up and
> see the damage the illegals have done....

He's not going to wake up to that way of thinking. Where else can his buddies in big business get the super cheap pool of labor that keeps their profits sky high?



JoeM
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Re: Virginia denies benefits to illegals.
Posted by: kj
Date: January 01, 2006 07:53PM
>Where else can his buddies in big business get the super cheap pool of labor that keeps >their profits sky high?

Unfortunately, that's a pretty universal excuse for "slavery-lite".

I hate to give any legitimacy to this topic, but there really is a problem here. First-hand, I'm seeing services completely cut in medicaid due to the fact that so much money goes into health care for illegal immigrants. It isn't right. I think the people who are in this country legitimately, have more of a right to the care they need. And this is one of the few things that isn't Bush's fault. kj.
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Way to go, Virginia!!!!
Posted by: Berzeko
Date: January 01, 2006 08:37PM
Maybe it is time for GWB to wake up and smell the coffee.

I work in a city where illegals now outnumber citizens or legal immigrants.

It is rapidly becoming a sewer as apartments are containing ten people, houses,

good Lord, only knows how many.

Gangs are becoming rampant.

I did not vote for governor of my state in November because neither would oppose illegals.

Next November, that is my only issue.

I stopped donating to the Pubs because of this several years ago.

And now, unless the party gets some juevos, will stop voting.
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Re: Virginia denies benefits to illegals.
Posted by: RgrF
Date: January 02, 2006 01:06AM
kj Wrote:
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> >Where else can his buddies in big business get
> the super cheap pool of labor that keeps >their
> profits sky high?
>
> Unfortunately, that's a pretty universal excuse
> for "slavery-lite".
>
> I hate to give any legitimacy to this topic, but
> there really is a problem here. First-hand, I'm
> seeing services completely cut in medicaid due to
> the fact that so much money goes into health care
> for illegal immigrants. It isn't right. I think
> the people who are in this country legitimately,
> have more of a right to the care they need. And
> this is one of the few things that isn't Bush's
> fault. kj.

Excuse me but the Medicaid cuts are a direct result of the reduction in revenues due to tax cuts. This not to say a problem doesn't exist but to lay budget cuts a the door of the poor ignores reality.

As an aside, when General Motors spends more for worker health care costs than steel per vehicle produced, just maybe it isnt GM mismanagement, maybe we have a really dysfunctional health care system.





"Who's more foolish - the fool or the fool that follows him?" - Obi Wan Kenobi
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Re: Virginia denies benefits to illegals.
Posted by: kj
Date: January 02, 2006 01:29AM
>Excuse me but the Medicaid cuts are a direct result of the reduction in revenues due to >tax cuts. This not to say a problem doesn't exist but to lay budget cuts a the do' of the >po' ignores reality.

If you think about it, I'm not talking about cuts to medicaid. I'm talking about what gets done with the money once medicaid gets it. You'll have a hard time convincing me differently, because the regional medicaid people themselves are telling me this.

I completely agree about the dysfunctional healthcare system, but I don't see that as particularly relevant to this discussion, unless you are saying increased efficiency would help us provide care to more illegals. Unfortunately, increasing efficiency would only stave off trouble for a little while.

Honestly, I would be more likely to agree we should help anyone we can, on moral grounds, but the way it is being done in this case is not right. kj.
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California where the illegals are treated like cherished children
Posted by: Berzeko
Date: January 02, 2006 11:41AM
A friend of mine in Arizona, who speaks fluent Spanish, went
to look at his mom's old house in a run down neighborhood. The
house was occupied by a man who said he came across the
border one month before. He had a lame leg from an old
injury. Already he was getting medical attention, had
subsidized rent, welfare and a car.
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Re: Virginia denies benefits to illegals.
Posted by: bfd
Date: January 02, 2006 02:00PM
Why is this racist crap allowed here?
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Re: Virginia denies benefits to illegals.
Posted by: Spock
Date: January 02, 2006 02:36PM
bfd Wrote:
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> Why is this racist crap allowed here?
>
> bfd ...


Two reasons.

Reason One, Shakeman is a moron.

Reason Two, See Reason One.


Spock



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Re: Virginia denies benefits to illegals.
Posted by: kj
Date: January 02, 2006 02:38PM
There is a real issue here. Not all of what is being discussed is racist. kj.
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Re: Virginia denies benefits to illegals.
Posted by: davester
Date: January 02, 2006 04:29PM
kj Wrote:
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> There is a real issue here.

The real issue is that shakeman is a moron.

Shakeman does not "discuss issues". All shakeman is "good" for is posting racist views. He should be over on stormfront with his buddies, not polluting this space.





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Re: Virginia denies benefits to illegals.
Posted by: kj
Date: January 02, 2006 06:22PM
Well, that irritates me. I don't care who posted it, but a legitimate article was posted (I don't care by who) and I suppose for some reason it's up to you guys to decide it's an issue that's not fit for discussion. Maybe you could post it in such a way that it is legitimate to discuss? If not, maybe you could explain why it can't be discussed, and we can discuss that? kj.
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Re: Virginia denies benefits to illegals.
Posted by: davester
Date: January 02, 2006 06:29PM
Go ahead and post it elsewhere kj. Due to his constant stream of racist posts, I (and probably others) refuse to do the shakeman sockpuppet the honor of participating in his threads (except at his expense).



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Re: Virginia denies benefits to illegals.
Posted by: Guitarman
Date: January 02, 2006 07:10PM
This must be some sort of a record. I believe I've counted 10 different Shakeman sockpuppets.



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Re: Virginia denies benefits to illegals.
Posted by: JoeM
Date: January 02, 2006 10:04PM
Guitarman Wrote:
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> This must be some sort of a record. I believe I've
> counted 10 different Shakeman sockpuppets.
>
>
G-man,
Who is this Shakeman and how can you tell he's using 10 different personas?




JoeM
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Re: Virginia denies benefits to illegals.
Posted by: RgrF
Date: January 02, 2006 10:12PM
Shakeman was the nick he used at AppleSwitcher before he was banned. He's one a one track racist bigot. A search of the name over at AS will fill you in quicker than we can.

Be sure to look for Keefs animated gif of Shakey over there. It literally pulls the covers off him.

He's a roofer thus the name Shakeman.



"Who's more foolish - the fool or the fool that follows him?" - Obi Wan Kenobi
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Re: Virginia denies benefits to illegals.
Posted by: Racer X
Date: January 03, 2006 12:29AM
A Shakeman, by any other name, would still be a Shakeman.

Once a Shakeman, always a Shakeman.
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Re: Virginia denies benefits to illegals.
Posted by: incognegro
Date: January 03, 2006 02:03PM
i'm not a fan of GWB, but this isn't his fault.

i would like to see money spent helping US citizens get healthcare, rather than giving it to countries like, say, Egypt or Iraq.



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Re: Virginia denies benefits to illegals.
Posted by: Macaficionado
Date: January 03, 2006 02:48PM
While employers profit from illegal labor, society at
large pays for their health, education, and welfare
benefits. Business owners profit from low wage rates,
but taxpayers get stuck with the bill.
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Re: Virginia denies benefits to illegals.
Posted by: hwystar
Date: January 03, 2006 09:06PM
Macaficionado (Shakeman) Wrote:
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> While employers profit from illegal labor, society at large pays for their health,
> education, and welfare benefits. Business owners profit from low wage rates,
> but taxpayers get stuck with the bill.


So what is the problem with that? That is just part of the "policy" that you voted for, that you have supported, and that you justify and apologize for. That is the way your "buddies" roll, Shakeman. Once they have your votes, all they need you around for is for you to pay their way with your tax money, and defend their greed in Internet forums. Don't gripe now, you are getting the best government money can buy.

It never ceases to amaze me the way the most gullible, least informed, and most easily misled individuals continue to vote against their own economic self interest, and continue to support those who take advantage of them, but still bitch and whine about it whenever they realize they are getting it stuck to them just like everyone else.

Of course, 40% of those polled recently think that they will be a millionaire someday. Of those, only less than 1% actually will. That is the carrot, isn't it? You don't want a level playing field for everyone, because you think that eventually you will be at the top of the pyramid, taking unfair advantage of everyone else like the greedy bastards you want to emulate. Unfortunately, you are being taken advantage of too much to ever get to the top of the pyramid.

Nothing really changes. Those who live by the sword are doomed to die by it, and those who lay a snare for others are destined to be caught by that same snare.


hwystar



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Re: Virginia denies benefits to illegals.
Posted by: RgrF
Date: January 03, 2006 11:38PM
While I think Brian hits the nail on the head, I feel duty bound to point out that his stats may be a bit out of date.

>Of course, 40% of those polled recently think that they will be a >millionaire someday. Of those, only less than 1% actually will.

The Boston Globe last week reported that 5% of Massachusetts residents now report a net worth of more than a million dollars.

Thats 1 out of 20 folks. Those silly Massachusetts liberal tax and spenders. Go figure.

(maybe if Shakey were to move to Mass and go into the shake roof business there, he might forget about Mexico for a while)



"Who's more foolish - the fool or the fool that follows him?" - Obi Wan Kenobi
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Re: Virginia denies benefits to illegals.
Posted by: Stavs
Date: January 04, 2006 07:21AM
We need those illegals to clean Wal*Marts and to be extras on shows like The Man SHow and the Adam Carolla project.

STavs
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Border Security Fence/Wall:
Posted by: liberal weenie
Date: January 05, 2006 04:09PM

Racist posts like these are one reason I don't frequent
macresource.com anymore.
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Re: Virginia denies benefits to illegals.
Posted by: WJK
Date: January 05, 2006 06:30PM
Yeah. Let's run 'um all outa town!
'Course the second largest group is from Canada, hell them too...
But!
The world's 6th largest economy would collapse, taking the other 49 states with it. (CA)
Yeah, run those poor bastards out the country, all those willing to do all the work no gringo in his right mind would do, and certainly not for the crappy wages such work pays...
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Re: Virginia denies benefits to illegals.
Posted by: Stavs
Date: January 05, 2006 07:34PM
WJK Wrote:
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> Yeah. Let's run 'um all outa town!
> 'Course the second largest group is from Canada,
> hell them too...
> But!
> The world's 6th largest economy would collapse,
> taking the other 49 states with it. (CA)
> Yeah, run those poor bastards out the country, all
> those willing to do all the work no gringo in his
> right mind would do, and certainly not for the
> crappy wages such work pays...


Don't be talkin crap about America Jr!
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Re: Virginia denies benefits to illegals.
Posted by: karmakat
Date: January 05, 2006 07:58PM
I don't think it is racist to believe that those who break our laws by entering the country illegally should not be given access to services that legal citizens of this country pay for. I have nothing against immigration, but anyone who expects me to welcome them here had better be here legally. The issue is not immigration, it is ILLEGAL immigration. If we're not going to control the border, then heck why do people even have to come here to collect benefits, let's just sign up people all over the world and give money away to anyone who wants it.
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Que es la problema?
Posted by: VATO
Date: January 05, 2006 09:21PM
These illegals aren't doing jobs that 'African Americans
won't take'. They're getting excellent paid jobs, government
handouts, multicultural education, free medical, etc. My
local Winn-Dixie grocery store and Albertsons have been
heavily influenced by the bunch to the tune of playing
hispanic songs in the store and hiring of arrogant
employees who openly speak spanish in front of you.
Time to end this crap.
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Re: Que es la problema?
Posted by: RgrF
Date: January 05, 2006 09:54PM
People around me not only speak Spanish, they speak Korean, Farsi, Armenian, a few different Chinese dialects and even English through an incomprehensible southern drawl.

Aside from bigotry, whats your problem?



"Who's more foolish - the fool or the fool that follows him?" - Obi Wan Kenobi
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Re: Virginia denies benefits to illegals.
Posted by: voodoopenguin
Date: January 06, 2006 04:52AM
Remind me, how was the USA formed? Was it that everyone came in peacefully and followed the laws and rules of those already here?

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Re: Border Security Fence/Wall:
Posted by: Stavs
Date: January 06, 2006 07:56AM
liberal weenie Wrote:
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> > Racist posts like these are one reason I don't
> frequent
> macresource.com anymore.


Its not about race at all. It's simply about what is legal and not. My father came here from another country legally. He didnt sneak in, and he didnt abuse the system. He worked his ass off from the time he was 16 to raise enough cash to bring his parents and siblings to America legally. They didnt stow away on a boat-they came in legally as well. His entire family came here, learned English (he didnt expect signs to be in his language or that people would cater to his ethnicity), paid his taxes, and utilized the government systems available to him legally. Why should we give things to people who don't follow our rules? What message does that send. I dont have a problem with people of different races or ethnicity coming into our country, but I do have a problem when they they do it illegaly and start stealing from our government and from our tax dollars. If "Manny Mexican" wants to come to this country for more opportunity and a better life, thats great, more power to him-he just better do it the right way.

Stavs

PS: I dont understand why a post like this would keep you from coming back here. There are "ignore" options.
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I say “eligible” -- not “entitled.”
Posted by: Berzeko
Date: January 06, 2006 09:30AM
"A lot of us were saying, instead of raising taxes, why don't we start prioritizing where we're
spending our existing money," said Delegate David B. Albo, Fairfax Republican, who
sponsored the bill. "One of the things we found was the state was not checking for legal
presence for Medicaid."

Another one of those dingdong Republicans trying to get out of raising taxes again...Trying to
get Americans out of having to pay their Fair Share of the Mexican Social Welafare Program.
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Re: Border Security Fence/Wall:
Posted by: lafinlouie
Date: May 19, 2007 10:38PM
Quote
liberal weenie
Racist posts like these are one reason I don't frequent
macresource.com anymore.

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