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Heartbreaking article, "Trayvon Martin, my son, and the Black Male Code"
Posted by: hal
Date: March 24, 2012 11:33AM
[www.boston.com]

I thought my son would be much older before I had to tell him about the Black Male Code. He's only 12, still sleeping with stuffed animals, still afraid of the dark. But after the Trayvon Martin tragedy, I needed to explain to my child that soon people might be afraid of him.

...

As I explained it, the Code goes like this:

Always pay close attention to your surroundings, son, especially if you are in an affluent neighborhood where black folks are few. Understand that even though you are not a criminal, some people might assume you are, especially if you are wearing certain clothes.

Never argue with police, but protect your dignity and take pride in humility. When confronted by someone with a badge or a gun, do not flee, fight, or put your hands anywhere other than up.

Please don't assume, son, that all white people view you as a threat. America is better than that. Suspicion and bitterness can imprison you. But as a black male, you must go above and beyond to show strangers what type of person you really are.

I was far from alone in laying out these instructions. Across the country this week, parents were talking to their children, especially their black sons, about the Code. It's a talk the black community has passed down for generations, an evolving oral tradition from the days when an errant remark could easily cost black people their job, their freedom, or sometimes their life.
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Re: Heartbreaking article, "Trayvon Martin, my son, and the Black Male Code"
Posted by: Chakravartin
Date: March 24, 2012 11:46AM
Take out "black male" and substitute the words "hippie, hipster, teenage boy, K-Mart Shopper, person with backpack, ginger, anyone who walks in this neighborhood..."

People are xenophobic.

"Not from around here" and "not like me" are convenient excuse for murder in many places... and sometimes legal excuses.
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Re: Heartbreaking article, "Trayvon Martin, my son, and the Black Male Code"
Posted by: hal
Date: March 24, 2012 11:51AM
oops, I meant to put this on the other side - please move... thx

and, btw, it's a longish article - much more to it that I posted here...
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Re: Heartbreaking article, "Trayvon Martin, my son, and the Black Male Code"
Posted by: billb
Date: March 24, 2012 12:07PM
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Chakravartin
Take out "black male" and substitute the words "hippie, hipster, teenage boy, K-Mart Shopper, person with backpack, ginger, anyone who walks in this neighborhood..."

People are xenophobic.

"Not from around here" and "not like me" are convenient excuse for murder in many places... and sometimes legal excuses.


+1
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Re: Heartbreaking article, "Trayvon Martin, my son, and the Black Male Code"
Posted by: rjmacs
Date: March 24, 2012 12:13PM
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Chakravartin
Take out "black male" and substitute the words "hippie, hipster, teenage boy, K-Mart Shopper, person with backpack, ginger, anyone who walks in this neighborhood..."

People are xenophobic.

"Not from around here" and "not like me" are convenient excuse for murder in many places... and sometimes legal excuses.

Both of these are true, but it's a mistake to overlook that violence based on race has a particular and peculiar place in our history and society. It's simply not true that over the course of American history, 'hippies, hipsters, teenage boys, K-Mart Shoppers, people with backpacks, or gingers' have been targeted in ways that begin to compare with racially-motivated violence.



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Re: Heartbreaking article, "Trayvon Martin, my son, and the Black Male Code"
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: March 24, 2012 12:15PM
"Not from around here" and "not like me" are convenient "excuses" for predatory murder in many places... and mostly illegal "excuses".






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Re: Heartbreaking article, "Trayvon Martin, my son, and the Black Male Code"
Posted by: billb
Date: March 24, 2012 12:32PM
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rjmacs
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Chakravartin
Take out "black male" and substitute the words "hippie, hipster, teenage boy, K-Mart Shopper, person with backpack, ginger, anyone who walks in this neighborhood..."

People are xenophobic.

"Not from around here" and "not like me" are convenient excuse for murder in many places... and sometimes legal excuses.

Both of these are true, but it's a mistake to overlook that violence based on race has a particular and peculiar place in our history and society. It's simply not true that over the course of American history, 'hippies, hipsters, teenage boys, K-Mart Shoppers, people with backpacks, or gingers' have been targeted in ways that begin to compare with racially-motivated violence.


and some people need to hate so badly that they can find racism in an empty glass of water.



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Re: Heartbreaking article, "Trayvon Martin, my son, and the Black Male Code"
Posted by: Ted King
Date: March 24, 2012 12:55PM
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billb
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rjmacs
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Chakravartin
Take out "black male" and substitute the words "hippie, hipster, teenage boy, K-Mart Shopper, person with backpack, ginger, anyone who walks in this neighborhood..."

People are xenophobic.

"Not from around here" and "not like me" are convenient excuse for murder in many places... and sometimes legal excuses.

Both of these are true, but it's a mistake to overlook that violence based on race has a particular and peculiar place in our history and society. It's simply not true that over the course of American history, 'hippies, hipsters, teenage boys, K-Mart Shoppers, people with backpacks, or gingers' have been targeted in ways that begin to compare with racially-motivated violence.


and some people need to hate so badly that they can find racism in an empty glass of water.

Do you think people finding racism "in an empty glass of water" is as big a problem as violence against someone based on their race? Or do you think there isn't any racially-motivated violence? I don't understand why you made that comment. Is it just that you feel that you need to add an obligatory "some people find racism in an empty glass of water" comment to any thread that talks about racism?



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Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 03/24/2012 01:02PM by Ted King.
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Re: Heartbreaking article, "Trayvon Martin, my son, and the Black Male Code"
Posted by: samintx
Date: March 24, 2012 01:13PM
The strange thing is Zimmerman is hispanic...anyway half...white half hispanic. More a nervous trigger finger.

I like that posted Black Code if I'm allowed as a white female to say that to reason.
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Re: Heartbreaking article, "Trayvon Martin, my son, and the Black Male Code"
Posted by: olnacl
Date: March 24, 2012 01:16PM
Don't forget to add "Democrat" to the list. Sad to say, my Obama sticker does not grace my bumper or rear window for fear of getting the car keyed here in the south.
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Re: Heartbreaking article, "Trayvon Martin, my son, and the Black Male Code"
Posted by: graylocks
Date: March 24, 2012 01:28PM
add to the Code not to walk through a store with your hands in your sweatshirt or jacket pockets. it's what i've told my son. it's what i've remembered to do in the north or south for the last 5 decades as an african american female.



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Re: Heartbreaking article, "Trayvon Martin, my son, and the Black Male Code"
Posted by: Dennis S
Date: March 24, 2012 01:31PM
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Ted King
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billb
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rjmacs
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Chakravartin
Take out "black male" and substitute the words "hippie, hipster, teenage boy, K-Mart Shopper, person with backpack, ginger, anyone who walks in this neighborhood..."

People are xenophobic.

"Not from around here" and "not like me" are convenient excuse for murder in many places... and sometimes legal excuses.

Both of these are true, but it's a mistake to overlook that violence based on race has a particular and peculiar place in our history and society. It's simply not true that over the course of American history, 'hippies, hipsters, teenage boys, K-Mart Shoppers, people with backpacks, or gingers' have been targeted in ways that begin to compare with racially-motivated violence.


and some people need to hate so badly that they can find racism in an empty glass of water.

Do you think people finding racism "in an empty glass of water" is as big a problem as violence against someone based on their race? Or do you think there isn't any racially-motivated violence? I don't understand why you made that comment. Is it just that you feel that you need to add an obligatory "some people find racism in an empty glass of water" comment to any thread that talks about racism?

billb just tipped his hand.
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Re: Heartbreaking article, "Trayvon Martin, my son, and the Black Male Code"
Posted by: $tevie
Date: March 24, 2012 01:45PM
I read that article earlier today. I posted a story from npr with a similar theme on the other side a few days ago. I wouldn't be so arrogant as to attempt to argue with someone's life experiences. I guess I'm just a sucker for empirical knowledge.



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Re: Heartbreaking article, "Trayvon Martin, my son, and the Black Male Code"
Posted by: Dennis S
Date: March 24, 2012 02:08PM
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samintx
The strange thing is Zimmerman is hispanic...anyway half...white half hispanic. More a nervous trigger finger.

You have got to be kidding.
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Re: Heartbreaking article, "Trayvon Martin, my son, and the Black Male Code"
Posted by: PeterB
Date: March 24, 2012 02:19PM
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olnacl
Don't forget to add "Democrat" to the list. Sad to say, my Obama sticker does not grace my bumper or rear window for fear of getting the car keyed here in the south.

And it's not just Democrat, either. I've avoided adding my FSM sticker to my car for the same reason.

I don't think any of us can really know what it is to be DWB (or WWB, in this case), without actually being black.




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Re: Heartbreaking article, "Trayvon Martin, my son, and the Black Male Code"
Posted by: Black
Date: March 24, 2012 02:55PM
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$tevie
I posted a story from npr with a similar theme on the other side a few days ago.

Repost police!!!




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Re: Heartbreaking article, "Trayvon Martin, my son, and the Black Male Code"
Posted by: hal
Date: March 24, 2012 04:05PM
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PeterB
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olnacl
Don't forget to add "Democrat" to the list. Sad to say, my Obama sticker does not grace my bumper or rear window for fear of getting the car keyed here in the south.

And it's not just Democrat, either. I've avoided adding my FSM sticker to my car for the same reason.

I don't think any of us can really know what it is to be DWB (or WWB, in this case), without actually being black.

Am I the only one that has no idea what these abbreviations mean?
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Re: Heartbreaking article, "Trayvon Martin, my son, and the Black Male Code"
Posted by: JoeH
Date: March 24, 2012 04:31PM
FSM - Flying Spaghetti Monster
DWB - Driving While Black
WWB - Walking... you get the idea
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Re: Heartbreaking article, "Trayvon Martin, my son, and the Black Male Code"
Posted by: Chakravartin
Date: March 24, 2012 06:24PM
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JoeH
FSM - Flying Spaghetti Monster
DWB - Driving While Black Bearded
WWB - Walking... you get the idea

I was pulled over in North Carolina because the sheriff didn't like my beard.

I've often wondered whether he'd have preferred a goatee or soul-patch. 'Never got the chance to ask him.
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Re: Heartbreaking article, "Trayvon Martin, my son, and the Black Male Code"
Posted by: Black
Date: March 24, 2012 08:03PM
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Chakravartin
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JoeH
FSM - Flying Spaghetti Monster
DWB - Driving While Black Bearded
WWB - Walking... you get the idea

I was pulled over in North Carolina because the sheriff didn't like my beard.

I've often wondered whether he'd have preferred a goatee or soul-patch. 'Never got the chance to ask him.

I hope you're not suggesting that being pulled over or treated with suspicion or falsely accused due to (x)WB is not a real phenomenon(?)




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Re: Heartbreaking article, "Trayvon Martin, my son, and the Black Male Code"
Posted by: Black
Date: March 24, 2012 08:06PM
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PeterB
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olnacl
Don't forget to add "Democrat" to the list. Sad to say, my Obama sticker does not grace my bumper or rear window for fear of getting the car keyed here in the south.

And it's not just Democrat, either. I've avoided adding my FSM sticker to my car for the same reason.

I don't think any of us can really know what it is to be DWB (or WWB, in this case), without actually being black.

Would people know what the FSM sticker signified? Or is there an overt text line to it such as "religion is stupid?"




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Re: Heartbreaking article, "Trayvon Martin, my son, and the Black Male Code"
Posted by: PeterB
Date: March 24, 2012 11:45PM
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Black
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PeterB
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olnacl
Don't forget to add "Democrat" to the list. Sad to say, my Obama sticker does not grace my bumper or rear window for fear of getting the car keyed here in the south.

And it's not just Democrat, either. I've avoided adding my FSM sticker to my car for the same reason.

I don't think any of us can really know what it is to be DWB (or WWB, in this case), without actually being black.

Would people know what the FSM sticker signified? Or is there an overt text line to it such as "religion is stupid?"

Black, there's enough similarity there to the fish, that people find it offensive... including the more overt "evolve" fish...




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Re: Heartbreaking article, "Trayvon Martin, my son, and the Black Male Code"
Posted by: Chakravartin
Date: March 25, 2012 03:39AM
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Black
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Chakravartin
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JoeH
FSM - Flying Spaghetti Monster
DWB - Driving While Black Bearded
WWB - Walking... you get the idea

I was pulled over in North Carolina because the sheriff didn't like my beard.

I've often wondered whether he'd have preferred a goatee or soul-patch. 'Never got the chance to ask him.

I hope you're not suggesting that being pulled over or treated with suspicion or falsely accused due to (x)WB is not a real phenomenon(?)

I hope you're not suggesting that being pulled over or treated with suspicion or falsely accused due to beard is not a real phenomenon(?)

Get a grip.

The correct inference is that people all over are @#$%& up.
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Re: Heartbreaking article, "Trayvon Martin, my son, and the Black Male Code"
Posted by: Spock
Date: March 25, 2012 07:16AM
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PeterB

Black, there's enough similarity there to the fish, that people find it offensive... including the more overt "evolve" fish...




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Re: Heartbreaking article, "Trayvon Martin, my son, and the Black Male Code"
Posted by: Black
Date: March 25, 2012 09:59AM
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PeterB
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Black
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PeterB
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olnacl
Don't forget to add "Democrat" to the list. Sad to say, my Obama sticker does not grace my bumper or rear window for fear of getting the car keyed here in the south.

And it's not just Democrat, either. I've avoided adding my FSM sticker to my car for the same reason.

I don't think any of us can really know what it is to be DWB (or WWB, in this case), without actually being black.

Would people know what the FSM sticker signified? Or is there an overt text line to it such as "religion is stupid?"

Black, there's enough similarity there to the fish, that people find it offensive... including the more overt "evolve" fish...

Thanks-- I guess if I've seen that particular sticker before, it's been a long while, but if it's an obvious parody of the fish it makes sense.




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Re: Heartbreaking article, "Trayvon Martin, my son, and the Black Male Code"
Posted by: billb
Date: March 26, 2012 11:35AM
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Ted King
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billb
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rjmacs
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Chakravartin
Take out "black male" and substitute the words "hippie, hipster, teenage boy, K-Mart Shopper, person with backpack, ginger, anyone who walks in this neighborhood..."

People are xenophobic.

"Not from around here" and "not like me" are convenient excuse for murder in many places... and sometimes legal excuses.

Both of these are true, but it's a mistake to overlook that violence based on race has a particular and peculiar place in our history and society. It's simply not true that over the course of American history, 'hippies, hipsters, teenage boys, K-Mart Shoppers, people with backpacks, or gingers' have been targeted in ways that begin to compare with racially-motivated violence.


and some people need to hate so badly that they can find racism in an empty glass of water.

Do you think people finding racism "in an empty glass of water" is as big a problem as violence against someone based on their race?
You don't ? constantly throwing the race card against the ignorance wall impedes the progress of exposing and educating ignorance . Unfortunatley that same ignorance makes for a wonderful fuel for more hatred based ignorance.
Or do you think there isn't any racially-motivated violence?
Unfortunately that still exists around the globe. You don;t have to travel to witness it, you just have to open your eyes.
I don't understand why you made that comment. Is it just that you feel that you need to add an obligatory "some people find racism in an empty glass of water" comment to any thread that talks about racism?
I use the racism label only when it applies. Very stingily and only when it is proven appropriate. Any other time is just wishful thinking and
based on the same ignorance and bigotry that actual racism is.



Some punk making racist remarks isn't necessarily a racist. Certainly an ignorant punk that could use his mouth being washed out and deserving of an education.
Someone who starts beating their wife two years into a marriage only because he finds out her great grandfather is Cape Verdean is a racist. Someone who actually believes in their own race / color/ nationality / political affiliation superiority could be a racist or at minimum a bigot. And bigots love their cards, especially the race card.

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Re: Heartbreaking article, "Trayvon Martin, my son, and the Black Male Code"
Posted by: $tevie
Date: March 26, 2012 11:50AM
Who makes racist remarks if they are not racist? Are you attempting to say that a person can make bigoted remarks and not be a racist?



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Re: Heartbreaking article, "Trayvon Martin, my son, and the Black Male Code"
Posted by: billb
Date: March 26, 2012 12:17PM
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$tevie
Who makes racist remarks if they are not racist? Are you attempting to say that a person can make bigoted remarks and not be a racist?

If I am black as the ace of spades ( or lilly white for that matter)and make racist remarks here on this forum just to piss you off specifically, am I a racist or just an @#$%& ?

Be nice now.

There's currently a campaign to stop teens from using the "That's so gay" expression. It's unfortunately aimed directly at teen girls. It's not used by them to denigrate gays, but it's a poor expression to be using when there are so many better ones that could be used and not hurtful. Are you ready to label every one of those teen girls a gay hater because of a poorly used popular expression ? I certainly hope not.
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Re: Heartbreaking article, "Trayvon Martin, my son, and the Black Male Code"
Posted by: $tevie
Date: March 26, 2012 12:19PM
A teen girl who uses the term gay obviously thinks that there is something inherently wrong about being gay which makes it a fine perjorative, so yeah, she's a gay hater. A baby gay hater but a hater all the same.



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Re: Heartbreaking article, "Trayvon Martin, my son, and the Black Male Code"
Posted by: Ted King
Date: March 26, 2012 12:30PM
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billb
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Chakravartin
Take out "black male" and substitute the words "hippie, hipster, teenage boy, K-Mart Shopper, person with backpack, ginger, anyone who walks in this neighborhood..."

People are xenophobic.

"Not from around here" and "not like me" are convenient excuse for murder in many places... and sometimes legal excuses.

Both of these are true, but it's a mistake to overlook that violence based on race has a particular and peculiar place in our history and society. It's simply not true that over the course of American history, 'hippies, hipsters, teenage boys, K-Mart Shoppers, people with backpacks, or gingers' have been targeted in ways that begin to compare with racially-motivated violence.


and some people need to hate so badly that they can find racism in an empty glass of water.

Do you think people finding racism "in an empty glass of water" is as big a problem as violence against someone based on their race?
You don't ? constantly throwing the race card against the ignorance wall impedes the progress of exposing and educating ignorance . Unfortunatley that same ignorance makes for a wonderful fuel for more hatred based ignorance.
Or do you think there isn't any racially-motivated violence?
Unfortunately that still exists around the globe. You don;t have to travel to witness it, you just have to open your eyes.
I don't understand why you made that comment. Is it just that you feel that you need to add an obligatory "some people find racism in an empty glass of water" comment to any thread that talks about racism?
I use the racism label only when it applies. Very stingily and only when it is proven appropriate. Any other time is just wishful thinking and
based on the same ignorance and bigotry that actual racism is.



Some punk making racist remarks isn't necessarily a racist. Certainly an ignorant punk that could use his mouth being washed out and deserving of an education.
Someone who starts beating their wife two years into a marriage only because he finds out her great grandfather is Cape Verdean is a racist. Someone who actually believes in their own race / color/ nationality / political affiliation superiority could be a racist or at minimum a bigot. And bigots love their cards, especially the race card.


No I don't think finding racism in a glass of water is anywhere near as much of a problem as racial violence.

As for the rest of what you are saying... what does that have to do with Chakravartin's point about violence based on race? I didn't see it and that's why I made the comments I did, and I still don't see it.



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Re: Heartbreaking article, "Trayvon Martin, my son, and the Black Male Code"
Posted by: billb
Date: March 26, 2012 01:40PM
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billb
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Ted King
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billb
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rjmacs
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Chakravartin
Take out "black male" and substitute the words "hippie, hipster, teenage boy, K-Mart Shopper, person with backpack, ginger, anyone who walks in this neighborhood..."

People are xenophobic.

"Not from around here" and "not like me" are convenient excuse for murder in many places... and sometimes legal excuses.

Both of these are true, but it's a mistake to overlook that violence based on race has a particular and peculiar place in our history and society. It's simply not true that over the course of American history, 'hippies, hipsters, teenage boys, K-Mart Shoppers, people with backpacks, or gingers' have been targeted in ways that begin to compare with racially-motivated violence.


and some people need to hate so badly that they can find racism in an empty glass of water.

Do you think people finding racism "in an empty glass of water" is as big a problem as violence against someone based on their race?
You don't ? constantly throwing the race card against the ignorance wall impedes the progress of exposing and educating ignorance . Unfortunatley that same ignorance makes for a wonderful fuel for more hatred based ignorance.
Or do you think there isn't any racially-motivated violence?
Unfortunately that still exists around the globe. You don;t have to travel to witness it, you just have to open your eyes.
I don't understand why you made that comment. Is it just that you feel that you need to add an obligatory "some people find racism in an empty glass of water" comment to any thread that talks about racism?
I use the racism label only when it applies. Very stingily and only when it is proven appropriate. Any other time is just wishful thinking and
based on the same ignorance and bigotry that actual racism is.



Some punk making racist remarks isn't necessarily a racist. Certainly an ignorant punk that could use his mouth being washed out and deserving of an education.
Someone who starts beating their wife two years into a marriage only because he finds out her great grandfather is Cape Verdean is a racist. Someone who actually believes in their own race / color/ nationality / political affiliation superiority could be a racist or at minimum a bigot. And bigots love their cards, especially the race card.


No I don't think finding racism in a glass of water is anywhere near as much of a problem as racial violence.

As for the rest of what you are saying... what does that have to do with Chakravartin's point about violence based on race? I didn't see it and that's why I made the comments I did, and I still don't see it.




Remove the xenophobia filter entirely.


Why is that so hard ?


Under that wrapper is an even uglier sociological problem and it has absoluteley nothing to do with race.
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Re: Heartbreaking article, "Trayvon Martin, my son, and the Black Male Code"
Posted by: $tevie
Date: March 26, 2012 02:43PM
Warning: article filled with Hunger Games spoilers.

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/26/2012 02:44PM by $tevie.
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Re: Heartbreaking article, "Trayvon Martin, my son, and the Black Male Code"
Posted by: hal
Date: March 26, 2012 03:23PM
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$tevie
Warning: article filled with Hunger Games spoilers.

[jezebel.com]

That's just stunning...
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Re: Heartbreaking article, "Trayvon Martin, my son, and the Black Male Code"
Posted by: Ted King
Date: March 26, 2012 03:44PM
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Chakravartin
Take out "black male" and substitute the words "hippie, hipster, teenage boy, K-Mart Shopper, person with backpack, ginger, anyone who walks in this neighborhood..."

People are xenophobic.

"Not from around here" and "not like me" are convenient excuse for murder in many places... and sometimes legal excuses.

Both of these are true, but it's a mistake to overlook that violence based on race has a particular and peculiar place in our history and society. It's simply not true that over the course of American history, 'hippies, hipsters, teenage boys, K-Mart Shoppers, people with backpacks, or gingers' have been targeted in ways that begin to compare with racially-motivated violence.


and some people need to hate so badly that they can find racism in an empty glass of water.

Do you think people finding racism "in an empty glass of water" is as big a problem as violence against someone based on their race?
You don't ? constantly throwing the race card against the ignorance wall impedes the progress of exposing and educating ignorance . Unfortunatley that same ignorance makes for a wonderful fuel for more hatred based ignorance.
Or do you think there isn't any racially-motivated violence?
Unfortunately that still exists around the globe. You don;t have to travel to witness it, you just have to open your eyes.
I don't understand why you made that comment. Is it just that you feel that you need to add an obligatory "some people find racism in an empty glass of water" comment to any thread that talks about racism?
I use the racism label only when it applies. Very stingily and only when it is proven appropriate. Any other time is just wishful thinking and
based on the same ignorance and bigotry that actual racism is.



Some punk making racist remarks isn't necessarily a racist. Certainly an ignorant punk that could use his mouth being washed out and deserving of an education.
Someone who starts beating their wife two years into a marriage only because he finds out her great grandfather is Cape Verdean is a racist. Someone who actually believes in their own race / color/ nationality / political affiliation superiority could be a racist or at minimum a bigot. And bigots love their cards, especially the race card.


No I don't think finding racism in a glass of water is anywhere near as much of a problem as racial violence.

As for the rest of what you are saying... what does that have to do with Chakravartin's point about violence based on race? I didn't see it and that's why I made the comments I did, and I still don't see it.




Remove the xenophobia filter entirely.


Why is that so hard ?


Under that wrapper is an even uglier sociological problem and it has absoluteley nothing to do with race.

Because of the problems that are similar in general terms, the specific differences amongst them can make a huge difference in how to deal with the problem. Take domestic violence of men on their wives or live-in significant other. Under that wrapper is an even uglier sociological problem, but I don't see why that means we should just say that the specific differences - of the women being married to the men and often having their children and often the man being the breadwinner of the family - that those differences aren't significant and imply that domestic violence needs to be addressed in a unique way even though it is a wrapper for a deeper sociological problem.

And I think that saying, "some people find racism in a glass of water," (paraphrase) does not express the point you seem to making now, so I still don't see why you said that in the context of the exchange between Chakravartin and rjmacs.



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