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Romney splits couple married 30 years
Posted by: Black
Date: August 24, 2012 12:47AM
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Re: Romney splits couple married 30 years
Posted by: billb
Date: August 24, 2012 06:04AM
There's a compelling argument to make the change 52 instead of 55.
Let's do that.



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Re: Romney splits couple married 30 years
Posted by: Pops
Date: August 24, 2012 06:41AM
Very compelling if you're 55.
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Re: Romney splits couple married 30 years
Posted by: Chakravartin
Date: August 24, 2012 06:42AM
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billb
There's a compelling argument to make the change 52 instead of 55.
Let's do that.

Hey!! My cousin is 51. What about her?!!
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Re: Romney splits couple married 30 years
Posted by: billb
Date: August 24, 2012 06:59AM
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billb
There's a compelling argument to make the change 52 instead of 55.
Let's do that.

Hey!! My cousin is 51. What about her?!!

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Re: Romney splits couple married 30 years
Posted by: Pam
Date: August 24, 2012 07:34AM
Medicare will always be a losing proposition. But how as a nation can we not take care of our seniors? Insurance companies won't insure them. There's no profit and costs would be astronomical. There are just some programs that will not break even. Get over it. What should be throughly examined are health care costs. But oops. That'll step on the toes of too many hugely profitable companies.
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Re: Romney splits couple married 30 years
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: August 24, 2012 07:35AM
My company offers a retirement plan. They changed it a few years ago from a pension plan to a 401 (k) plan. They're also offering those people who stuck with the pension plan a 'buyout'... essentially converting the guaranteed pension to a 401(k) plan.

I kept the defined pension plan. My family tends to live a damn long time.

This proposal is pretty much the same thing that almost all private companies are offering their employees. It's a complex calculus, but it's an attempt to remove 'legacy costs' and make the company more flexible.

Note that the "Obama Administration managed" (yes, I know... bankruptcy court, yadda yadda) General Motors is doing much the same thing with GM's enormous pension legacy program.

Pension programs are always at risk when economies are damaged.

Obviously I'm of two minds about this. A defined benefit plan for retirees that purports to provide 'just enough' for the elderly to live is not a 'pension program'. It's a Great Society social program that protects the vulnerable citizens who cannot earn their keep. But it's structured as a 'retirement savings' program, and 'sold' that way. Hence the confusion.

Call it what it is, a safety net for the elderly, and I think it will make a lot more sense.
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Re: Romney splits couple married 30 years
Posted by: Avenger
Date: August 24, 2012 07:43AM
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Chakravartin
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billb
There's a compelling argument to make the change 52 instead of 55.
Let's do that.

Hey!! My cousin is 51. What about her?!!

You can say the same thing about social security. Why don't you?
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Re: Romney splits couple married 30 years
Posted by: Speedy
Date: August 24, 2012 02:21PM
Medicare may always be a losing proposition. But one worth pursuing. The rich like the voucher system because they can pay out-of-pocket. The rich fear higher taxes. I would be happy to pay higher Medicare taxes which aren't really all that high now.



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Re: Romney splits couple married 30 years
Posted by: Avenger
Date: August 24, 2012 02:55PM
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I would be happy to pay higher Medicare taxes which aren't really all that high now.

The keyword is *I*. YOU go ahead and pay higher taxes but as they say the problem with socialism is that they always want to include me in it.
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Re: Romney splits couple married 30 years
Posted by: davester
Date: August 24, 2012 03:31PM
Yippee! I'm on the winning side of the "Ryan gut medicare, screw the youngsters" plan. Tough luck, youngsters!



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