Despite invoking Dr. King, Obama 'tied to Wall Street and drones,' said West.

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Have you been sleeping for five years or something?

Cornel West has been criticizing Obama practically since Day One.

West is a very intelligent and passionate man who doubtless feels a huge letdown regarding Obama since West, like so many others, seemed to assume that Black=Left when in fact it did not.

On the other hand, West can be a pragmatist. As I said, he is a very intelligent man:
Right. But doesn’t criticizing Obama make all that bad stuff you just said more likely to happen?
I’m strategic. We have to tell that truth about a system that’s corrupt—both parties are poisoned by big money and tied to big banks and corporations. Speaking on that is a matter of intellectual integrity. American politics are not a matter of voting your moral conscience—if I voted my moral conscience it would probably be for Jill Stein. But it's strategic in terms of the actual possibilities and real options available for poor and working people.
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Obama is an even bigger liberal, bigger spender, bigger police state manager, bigger drone murderer than Bush.

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Charlie M.
Obama is an even bigger liberal, bigger spender, bigger police state manager, bigger drone murderer than Bush.

Give or take a couple of wars and the largest economic collapse in history.

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Steve G.
and the largest economic collapse in history.

WTF are you talking about? Apparently history starts for you within the last few decades.

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Charlie M.

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Steve G.
and the largest economic collapse in history.

WTF are you talking about? Apparently history starts for you within the last few decades.

In sheer size and dollar amounts, it was the largest.

The Great Depression dwarfed the current crisis! What planet are you on?

Are you comparing 1929 dollars to 2009 dollars one to one or something??

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Charlie M.
The Great Depression dwarfed the current crisis! What planet are you on?

Are you comparing 1929 dollars to 2009 dollars one to one or something??

Another Appleswitcher reject....

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Charlie M.
The Great Depression dwarfed the current crisis! What planet are you on?

The economies of today are orders of magnitude vaster than anything ever dreamed of in the 1920's. We have a real global economy involving 7 billion people. You seem to have no grasp of the size (not 'accounting for inflation').

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Wild eep
Another Appleswitcher reject....

Fraid so..

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Cornel West
Right. But doesn’t criticizing Obama make all that bad stuff you just said more likely to happen?
I’m strategic. We have to tell that truth about a system that’s corrupt—both parties are poisoned by big money and tied to big banks and corporations.
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I'm not going to allow myself to be guilted into turning on the President because he has allowed this old @#$%& to continue.

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$tevie
West can be a pragmatist. As I said, he is a very intelligent man

Did I say that Cornel West and I see eye-to-eye? He can be very intelligent and not agree with me, and vice versa. I think plenty of people are intelligent who don't agree with me, I can't help it if none of them post here.

I take it you missed this part entirely: American politics are not a matter of voting your moral conscience—if I voted my moral conscience it would probably be for Jill Stein. But it's strategic in terms of the actual possibilities and real options available for poor and working people.

Did you see the part where he voted for Obama in 2012 even though he's been ragging on him since 2009? Or not?

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$tevie
Did I say that Cornel West and I see eye-to-eye? He can be very intelligent and not agree with me, and vice versa. I think plenty of people are intelligent who don't agree with me, I can't help it if none of them post here.

I take it you missed this part entirely: American politics are not a matter of voting your moral conscience—if I voted my moral conscience it would probably be for Jill Stein. But it's strategic in terms of the actual possibilities and real options available for poor and working people.

Did you see the part where he voted for Obama in 2012 even though he's been ragging on him since 2009? Or not?

Both posts of yours perfectly expressed.

I hope it was obvious that the "none of them post here" was merely a wisecrack. Sometimes I can't resist the temptation.

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Whats criminal is standing around watching 93,000 people be killed.

As a species human beings often suck . . .

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“Stay Hungry Stay Foolish"
Steve Jobs

"There are only two mantras yum and yuk mine is yum "
Bernard Mickey Wrangle<>Tom Robbins<> "Still Life With Woodpecker"

"There is a fine line between a rut and a groove"
G.D. Kittredge III

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haikuman
Whats criminal is standing around watching 93,000 people be killed.

Sure, what exactly do you propose?

Please define the problem and a workable solution to solve the problem.
Specifics, not inane bs, please....

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max

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haikuman
Whats criminal is standing around watching 93,000 people be killed.

Sure, what exactly do you propose?

Please define the problem and a workable solution to solve the problem.
Specifics, not inane bs, please....

Why don't you tell us max instead of delivering empty
condescending words couched in all the right answers
that just accuse and degrade . . . ?

Speak a little about how you might help save lives in Syria . . .

Inquiring slimes want to know *(:>*

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“Stay Hungry Stay Foolish"
Steve Jobs

"There are only two mantras yum and yuk mine is yum "
Bernard Mickey Wrangle<>Tom Robbins<> "Still Life With Woodpecker"

"There is a fine line between a rut and a groove"
G.D. Kittredge III

"

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Sure, what exactly do you propose?

Please define the problem and a workable solution to solve the problem.
Specifics, not inane bs, please....

Why don't you tell us max instead of delivering empty
condescending words couched in all the right answers
that just accuse and degrade . . . ?

Speak a little about how you might help save lives in Syria . . .

Inquiring slimes want to know *(:>*

BS, hman, I did not propose any action in Syria. YOU did.
That was your postulate.

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haikuman
Whats criminal is standing around watching 93,000 people be killed.

Interesting that asking you for specifics is now considered "condescending words couched in all the right answers
that just accuse and degrade . . . ?"

So instead of trying to spin your way out from the fetid pile of BS you just built, give us some specifics, what exactly do you propose?

Please define the problem and a workable solution(s) to solve the problem.....

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"We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means, it is an end.
One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution;
one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship."

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haikuman

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max
Sure, what exactly do you propose?

Please define the problem and a workable solution to solve the problem.
Specifics, not inane bs, please....

Why don't you tell us max instead of delivering empty
condescending words couched in all the right answers
that just accuse and degrade . . . ?

Speak a little about how you might help save lives in Syria . . .

Inquiring slimes want to know *(:>*

BS, hman, I did not propose any action in Syria. YOU did.
That was your postulate.

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haikuman
Whats criminal is standing around watching 93,000 people be killed.

Interesting that asking you for specifics is now considered "condescending words couched in all the right answers
that just accuse and degrade . . . ?"

So instead of trying to spin your way out from the fetid pile of BS you just built, give us some specifics, what exactly do you propose?

Please define the problem and a workable solution(s) to solve the problem.....

Egggactly max I have turned the question around, but as usual you have nothing . . . just empty canned rhetoric./ Why am I not surprised ?

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“Stay Hungry Stay Foolish"
Steve Jobs

"There are only two mantras yum and yuk mine is yum "
Bernard Mickey Wrangle<>Tom Robbins<> "Still Life With Woodpecker"

"There is a fine line between a rut and a groove"
G.D. Kittredge III

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Bullcrap, you called for action. There was NOTHING to turn around.
You got called. YOU had less than nothing.
Now you are doing the amazing St.Vitus dance trying pathetically to spin your way out.



At least the other posters on this board, when facing the same questions, were smart enough to realize the reality and were intelligent enough to stop digging.

But me my guess, in your own words you are appalled at 93,000 dead in Syria, it is criminal not to do something about it.

OK. You are a great human being, you can feel their pain.
What course of action do you propose? How is it going to stop the killing and how is it going to prevent the further and more extreme bloodbath? How do you propose to bring the everlasting peace to this tragic situation?
Come on, holier than thou, give us your wisdom, hman...

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"We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means, it is an end.
One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution;
one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship."

I am gonna send you and your wisdom max.
You are the man for the job you have all the answers.
You clearly need and want to expand your condemnation skills.

Maybe just maybe you can find a crew, or some sheep to
follow your dawg and pony show of rhetoric.

You have many contacts
Among the lumberjacks
To get you facts
When someone attacks your imagination
But nobody has any respect
Anyway they already expect you
To all give a check
To tax-deductible charity organizations.
You've been with the professors
And they've all liked your looks
With great lawyers you have
Discussed lepers and crooks
You've been through all of
F. Scott Fitzgerald's books
You're very well read
It's well known.

But something is happening here
And you don't know what it is
Do you, Mister Jones ?

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“Stay Hungry Stay Foolish"
Steve Jobs

"There are only two mantras yum and yuk mine is yum "
Bernard Mickey Wrangle<>Tom Robbins<> "Still Life With Woodpecker"

"There is a fine line between a rut and a groove"
G.D. Kittredge III

"

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I am gonna send you and your wisdom max.
You are the man for the job you have all the answers.

You are still diggin, hman, I was the man with the questions.
You claimed to have the answers, YOU called for action. I did not.
I did not volunteer for the job.
Sending max into Syria just gets rid of inconvenient questions.
It is not solving your original problem of 93,000 dead in Syria, does it?
By your own definition, you are still a criminal by not doing anything about that.

You are still doing the amazing St.Vitus dance trying pathetically to spin your way out.
We are not buying the bs.

You demanded action.
What course of action do you propose, hman?
How is it going to stop the killing and how is it going to prevent the further and more extreme bloodbath? How do you propose to bring the everlasting peace to this tragic situation?
Come on, holier than thou, give us your wisdom, hman...

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"We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means, it is an end.
One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution;
one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship."

Now you are cranked up max *(:>*



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“Stay Hungry Stay Foolish"
Steve Jobs

"There are only two mantras yum and yuk mine is yum "
Bernard Mickey Wrangle<>Tom Robbins<> "Still Life With Woodpecker"

"There is a fine line between a rut and a groove"
G.D. Kittredge III

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Nah, not even warm, I am baby sitting a shipping crew....

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"We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means, it is an end.
One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution;
one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship."