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Manlove
Human Rights Watch has said that Israel should cease attacks that cause loss of civilian life and property in violation of the laws of war. It investigated eight Israeli airstrikes - including the missile attack that killed four boys on a Gaza City pier - and says that in many, if not in all cases it found no evidence of a military target. HRW also said that Palestinian armed groups have continued to fire rockets indiscriminately at Israeli population centres in violation of the laws of war.
Same link.

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While fools are amusing themselves with specious posts on these forums...

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cbelt3
[nymag.com]

"In many ways, the story of this month's eruption of violence in Israel and Palestine has been depressingly familiar. But in one interesting way it has been a little bit different from the beginning: American audiences are seeing the story of the conflict, perhaps more than ever before, through Palestinian eyes."

"If Netanyahu is so bothered by how dead Palestinians look on television then he should stop killing so many of them. "

[nymag.com]

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cbelt3
NY magazine article

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neophyte
Imagine these rockets fired from Mexico into Texas. Daily.

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Manlove
saying that civilian casualties are a result of civilians being used as "human shields" is a very easy way to avoid blame for the deaths of 100's from Israeli bombing. Perhaps, if there are civilians around, it is best not to bomb them.

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Manlove
... violation of human rights and the "laws of war" whatever the hell that means.

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RonT


One thing I've always wondered; With all their intelligence capabilities available to them how come the Israeli military never manages to put an
appropriately sized missile (or four) smack dab in the middle of one of these hoedowns?

Anybody know?

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August West

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In late October 1938, amid the protracted Palestinian uprising against British rule and Zionism known as “the Great Revolt” (1936-39), one of the insurgents’ most important commanders, ‘Arif ‘Abd al-Raziq, addressed a pointed letter to U.S. president Franklin Delano Roosevelt. Protesting against the increasing partisanship of the United States in favor of Zionism, ‘Abd al-Raziq pointed to what rebels perceived as a contradiction between the ideals and policies of the United States, noting that “during the great war [World War I], when there were but a few thousand Jews in Palestine, it was America which proclaimed the principle of self determination, but to-day America is resolving to stifle this spirit [the Palestinian revolt] seeking… liberty.”

The letter also rejected the principle of European tutelage embedded in the Mandates imposed over the Levant and Iraq after World War I, which, in partnership with the League of Nations, gave Britain and France rule over those lands under the pretext that their peoples were being prepared by the colonial powers for future independence. Abjuring notions that an uncivilized or semi-barbarous “East” required guidance from a benevolent “West,” ‘Abd al-Raziq declared that “we do not fight because we love war, but because we have beheld your abominable purpose, seeking to rob from us Palestine, our home.” He went on to remonstrate that the Palestinians were wrongfully being made to a pay a heavy price for the crisis of European Jewry, and he challenged Roosevelt to open “the wide portals of America unto those on whom you take such compassion, for Palestine is very small and cannot provide the solution to the Jewish problem.”

‘Abd al-Raziq’s unanswered letter to President Roosevelt is suggestive of both the evolving set of institutions that underpinned and organized the Palestinian revolt—the most sustained anti-colonial insurrection in the Arab world during the interwar period—and the growing involvement of the U.S. in the Palestine question. Because it largely took the form of a peasant rebellion and because it was eventually suppressed by a deployment of British forces second in size only to the garrison in India (a country some 250 times as populous), the revolt has often been dismissed as a disorderly and chaotic failure. Yet such a view obscures more than it reveals about both the historical moment of the uprising and its place in the development of the conflict over Palestine.

The revolt began in 1936 with a six-month general strike by the Palestinians that was called to demand, among other things, the termination of Jewish immigration, which, after Hitler’s ascent to power in Germany in 1933, had surged and was rapidly altering the demography of the country. Although urban politicians and elites have been credited with leadership of the revolt, the uprising was the result of social transformations within Palestinian society, including the erosion of elite authority and the increasing mobilization of youth, workers, and peasants during the first half of the 1930s. It was these popular social forces that compelled the Arab elite to abandon its quiescent course of fruitless diplomacy and to join the popular resistance.

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neophyte
Diplomacy is the art of negotiation between governments. Negotiation is aimed at reaching an agreement via compromise.

I think Israel would be willing to negotiate with Hamas if the result would be Hamas' recognition of Israel's legitimacy as a sovereign nation.

Sadly, the concept of negotiation and compromise seem not to be Hamas' way of doing business.

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Steve G.
@ Ted

The assembled armies, navies and air forces of Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Iraq and pilots from the Pakistan Air Force acting in independent capacity, and by some aircraft from Libya, Algeria, Morocco, Kuwait, and Saudi Arabia were all involved in trying to destroy Israel and drive the 'Jews into the sea' (murder them) in 1948, 1967 and and 1972 to varying degrees.
I think you will find this is a much greater contribution to the present situation than sectarian murder plots by pro-Nazi Arabs during the 1930's.

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Steve G.
Had to dig all the way to:
Center for Contemporary Arab Studies241 Intercultural CenterWashington D.C. 20057-1020Phone: (202) 687.5793Fax: (202) 687.7001
for that one, Ted?

It's essentially another pro-Arab propaganda piece some of their guests churn out.:
In part because the Zionist movement had long cultivated powerful allies in American political circles and the press, the Arab majority of Palestine was all but invisible and politically dismissed within the U.S. Consequently, in 1947, when Britain announced that it planned to terminate the Mandate, the U.S. pushed resolution 181 through the U.N., thereby endorsing partition and triggering the 1948 war. The Great Revolt had brought the U.S. firmly into alignment with the Zionist cause, and a decade after the Palestinians had fought tooth and nail to resist the loss and division of their homeland, U.S. backing for partition helped usher in triumph for the supporters of a Jewish state and tragedy for the Palestinians.

[ccas.georgetown.edu]
Funding
The Center is funded by the university, by grants, and by private donors. Since 1997, CCAS has served as the core of Georgetown University's National Resource Center on the Middle East and North Africa, funded by a Title VI grant from the US Department of Education. In addition, the Center hosts endowed chairs from Oman, Kuwait, and the United Arab Emirates, along with a chair in Human Development. A number of other private donors support scholarships for students and public lectures and symposium.

Funded by The Jamal Daniel Levant Foundation. (Rich right wing Arab Christian with close ties to Lebanon.)

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Steve G.
Anyway, Ted, are you presenting this as a rationale for the elimination of the State of Israel?

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Ted King

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Steve G.
Anyway, Ted, are you presenting this as a rationale for the elimination of the State of Israel?

Nope.

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Ted King
Specifically, what in the paper is not true? I'm perfectly willing to acknowledge that the paper has historical errors if you actually show that by citing what we both agree is a reliable source.

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Steve G.
And for a bonus question (which is never answered by the oppression experts) - In the years 1948 -1967, when the noble Palestinian people were living in the freedom of Arab liberty on the West Bank and Gaza, why was there no Palestinian State declared? They had 19 years of the borders they profess to want nowadays and No Jews, just the way they like it.

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cbelt3
I expect what you WANT to say is: "Because those shiftless lazy no good Palestinian swartza are too inferior to govern themselves. They need supervision and management, like chimpanzees or retarded children. "