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You knew Lay was getting to keep all the rewards didn't you?
Posted by: Effin Haole
Date: October 17, 2006 05:40PM
Too bad he didn't stay alive just long enough to see a conviction finalized.

Judge vacates conviction of Ken Lay

[news.yahoo.com]-


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Re: You knew Lay was getting to keep all the rewards didn't you?
Posted by: Seacrest
Date: October 17, 2006 05:43PM
I am not sure, but I think he may be dead.
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Re: You knew Lay was getting to keep all the rewards didn't you?
Posted by: Effin Haole
Date: October 17, 2006 05:44PM
But his widow and estate live on.


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Re: You knew Lay was getting to keep all the rewards didn't you?
Posted by: Seacrest
Date: October 17, 2006 06:10PM
You missed my sarcasm.




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Re: You knew Lay was getting to keep all the rewards didn't you?
Posted by: trisho.
Date: October 17, 2006 07:12PM
Is there room for a civil suit against the widow and estate in this case? If so, they should definitely proceed.


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Re: You knew Lay was getting to keep all the rewards didn't you?
Posted by: Effin Haole
Date: October 17, 2006 07:25PM
hehehe, and you, mine.

Yes civil suits can be filed, but by the time they come around most of the loot will be hidden/dispersed accordingly in trusts and such.


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Re: You knew Lay was getting to keep all the rewards didn't you?
Posted by: Lux Interior
Date: October 17, 2006 07:57PM
Thank God!

I was SO worried that his wife & family might have to scratch by living an upper-class life instead of a millionaires life as they are accustomed.

WHEW!
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Re: You knew Lay was getting to keep all the rewards didn't you?
Posted by: Comandanta_Blankenship
Date: October 17, 2006 09:18PM
Or DID he die? He might be hangin' out in Brazil or St. Tropez with D.B. Cooper!
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Re: You knew Lay was getting to keep all the rewards didn't you?
Posted by: JoeM
Date: October 17, 2006 09:35PM
Maybe Madonna can adopt his poor family?


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Re: You knew Lay was getting to keep all the rewards didn't you?
Posted by: vision63
Date: October 17, 2006 09:48PM
No one ever really saw his body did they?
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Re: You knew Lay was getting to keep all the rewards didn't you?
Posted by: Pops
Date: October 18, 2006 05:37AM
U.S. District Judge Sim Lake, in a ruling Tuesday, agreed with Lay's lawyers that his death required that his conviction be erased and his indictment dismissed. They cited a 2004 ruling from the 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals that found that a defendant's death pending appeal extinguished his entire case because he hadn't had a full opportunity to challenge the conviction and the government shouldn't be able to punish a dead defendant or his estate.

I wonder if that would hold if there's a clear determination of suicide?
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Re: You knew Lay was getting to keep all the rewards didn't you?
Posted by: samintx
Date: October 18, 2006 09:08AM
He is still libel for civil courts. The money still has to be paid. Only the printed conviction is dismissed as I understand it. He didn't get out of anything.
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Re: You knew Lay was getting to keep all the rewards didn't you?
Posted by: RgrF
Date: October 19, 2006 12:55AM
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samintx
He is still libel for civil courts. The money still has to be paid. Only the printed conviction is dismissed as I understand it. He didn't get out of anything.

Well actually he did get out of everything.

Problem is in most cases bringing a civil suit following a criminal conviction makes the suit a slam dunk. Sans criminal conviction the civil suit may still prevail but the odds decline and the legal costs go up, substantially.


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Re: You knew Lay was getting to keep all the rewards didn't you?
Posted by: Effin Haole
Date: October 19, 2006 05:55PM
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Effin Haole

Yes civil suits can be filed, but by the time they come around most of the loot will be hidden/dispersed accordingly in trusts and such.


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