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NYT: 45 tried to get Comey to stop investigating Flynn
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: May 16, 2017 04:32PM
So wrote Comey in a February memo obtained by the Times. People, that's obstruction of justice, and it's impeachable.

[www.nytimes.com]

The memo was part of a paper trail Mr. Comey created documenting what he perceived as the president’s improper efforts to influence an ongoing investigation. An F.B.I. agent’s contemporaneous notes are widely held up in court as credible evidence of conversations.

Mr. Comey shared the existence of the memo with senior F.B.I. officials and close associates. The New York Times has not viewed a copy of the memo, which is unclassified, but one of Mr. Comey’s associates read parts of the memo to a Times reporter.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/16/2017 04:34PM by Lemon Drop.
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Re: NYT: 45 tried to get Comey to stop investigating Flynn
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: May 16, 2017 04:49PM
WASHINGTON — President Trump asked the F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, to shut down the federal investigation into Mr. Trump’s former national security adviser, Michael T. Flynn, in an Oval Office meeting in February, according to a memo Mr. Comey wrote shortly after the meeting.

“I hope you can let this go,” the president told Mr. Comey, according to the memo.

The existence of Mr. Trump’s request is the clearest evidence that the president has tried to directly influence the Justice Department and F.B.I. investigation into links between Mr. Trump’s associates and Russia.

Mr. Comey wrote the memo detailing his conversation with the president immediately after the meeting, which took place the day after Mr. Flynn resigned, according to two people who read the memo.
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Re: NYT: 45 tried to get Comey to stop investigating Flynn
Posted by: pdq
Date: May 16, 2017 04:51PM
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Lemon Drop
So wrote Comey in a February memo obtained by the Times. People, that's obstruction of justice, and it's impeachable.

Quite right. However...

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In a statement, the White House denied the version of events in the memo.

“While the president has repeatedly expressed his view that General Flynn is a decent man who served and protected our country, the president has never asked Mr. Comey or anyone else to end any investigation, including any investigation involving General Flynn,” the statement said. “The president has the utmost respect for our law enforcement agencies, and all investigations. This is not a truthful or accurate portrayal of the conversation between the president and Mr. Comey.”

Lather, rinse, repeat.

How long will this denial remain operative?

Would possible federal obstruction of justice be enough for one of the congressional committee Republican heads to subpoena tapes?

Doubt it. If Comey's serious about his country, and is P.O.ed enough, he's going to have to appear before congress, and wave this under their noses.



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Re: NYT: 45 tried to get Comey to stop investigating Flynn
Posted by: pdq
Date: May 16, 2017 04:55PM
Oh, my:

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Mr. Comey created similar memos — including some that are classified — about every phone call and meeting he had with the president, the two people said.

Apart from being absolutely bone-headed tone-deaf about the political effects of his actions, Comey appears to be careful.

Will he spill the beans?
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Re: NYT: 45 tried to get Comey to stop investigating Flynn
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: May 16, 2017 05:05PM
Comey and his records will need to be subpoenaed. Turns out he is the White Hat in this situation. Imagine if he had gone along with the President's requests.

Of course Trump will deny, he has no choice really. If he says "yeah I did that" then he knows it's over.
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Re: NYT: 45 tried to get Comey to stop investigating Flynn
Posted by: vision63
Date: May 16, 2017 05:16PM
Just yesterday, we enjoyed simpler times.
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Re: NYT: 45 tried to get Comey to stop investigating Flynn
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: May 16, 2017 05:21PM
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vision63
Just yesterday, we enjoyed simpler times.

Indeed.
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Re: NYT: 45 tried to get Comey to stop investigating Flynn
Posted by: pdq
Date: May 16, 2017 05:27PM
You know, I just realized that Comey sat there and testified to Congress a couple weeks back, knowing that Trump was guilty of obstruction of justice, and all he was concerned about was defending his October surprise decision. Would he have taken this secret to the grave if Trump hadn't fired him?

Comey's no hero.
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Re: NYT: 45 tried to get Comey to stop investigating Flynn
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: May 16, 2017 05:36PM
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pdq
You know, I just realized that Comey sat there and testified to Congress a couple weeks back, knowing that Trump was guilty of obstruction of justice, and all he was concerned about was defending his October surprise decision. Would he have taken this secret to the grave if Trump hadn't fired him?

Comey's no hero.

Why would he reveal something unrelated that he wasn't asked? He was the sitting FBI director when he testified, it would have been completely inappropriate for him to bring this up then.

He is the one who leaked this to the NY Times. There's no other way this could have happened. I'm convinced that when history writes this story Comey is a White Hat.
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Re: NYT: 45 tried to get Comey to stop investigating Flynn
Posted by: pdq
Date: May 16, 2017 05:37PM
At the least...at the very least...this should be the tipping point for the appointment of a special prosecutor, completely removed from Trump.
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Re: NYT: 45 tried to get Comey to stop investigating Flynn
Posted by: vision63
Date: May 16, 2017 05:39PM
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pdq
You know, I just realized that Comey sat there and testified to Congress a couple weeks back, knowing that Trump was guilty of obstruction of justice, and all he was concerned about was defending his October surprise decision. Would he have taken this secret to the grave if Trump hadn't fired him?

Comey's no hero.

I wouldn't say that was the venue for it. He was in the middle of investigations. His job was to deliver a complete cases don't you think? We "24" fans are still in the entering the Looking Glass stage.
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Re: NYT: 45 tried to get Comey to stop investigating Flynn
Posted by: deckeda
Date: May 16, 2017 05:39PM
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pdq
You know, I just realized that Comey sat there and testified to Congress a couple weeks back, knowing that Trump was guilty of obstruction of justice, and all he was concerned about was defending his October surprise decision. Would he have taken this secret to the grave if Trump hadn't fired him?

Comey's no hero.

I'm not excusing anything Comey's done, but back then he was employed. And could have directly ensured "the Russia thing" stayed afloat. You play the cards you are dealt when you think it's best to do so ... not necessarily when it's ideal.
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Re: NYT: 45 tried to get Comey to stop investigating Flynn
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: May 16, 2017 05:43PM
CNN reporting that Comey shared this information with other senior FBI officials. So his story is corroborated.
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Re: NYT: 45 tried to get Comey to stop investigating Flynn
Posted by: Filliam H. Muffman
Date: May 16, 2017 06:16PM
So it looks like the only way 45 can prove that what Comey wrote is a lie is if he did tape the conversation and Comey's version doesn't match the tape. But admitting he tapes conversations opens up the tapes to being subpoenaed.


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Re: NYT: 45 tried to get Comey to stop investigating Flynn
Posted by: Pam
Date: May 16, 2017 06:28PM
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pdq
You know, I just realized that Comey sat there and testified to Congress a couple weeks back, knowing that Trump was guilty of obstruction of justice, and all he was concerned about was defending his October surprise decision. Would he have taken this secret to the grave if Trump hadn't fired him?

Comey's no hero.

Comey played the game. There's still more we don't know. I wouldn't question his strategy until this plays out.
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Re: NYT: 45 tried to get Comey to stop investigating Flynn
Posted by: samintx
Date: May 16, 2017 07:33PM
I'm anxious to see what happens to 45 on his big world tour. The Pope will make him say 100 Hail Marys when 45 confessesOld Fogette
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Re: NYT: 45 tried to get Comey to stop investigating Flynn
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: May 16, 2017 07:43PM
......hope 45 will be k.o.'d.....


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Re: NYT: 45 tried to get Comey to stop investigating Flynn
Posted by: hal
Date: May 16, 2017 07:45PM
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samintx
I'm anxious to see what happens to 45 on his big world tour. The Pope will make him say 100 Hail Marys when 45 confessesOld Fogette

He aint goin' anywhere. WAY too insecure.
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Re: NYT: 45 tried to get Comey to stop investigating Flynn
Posted by: $tevie
Date: May 16, 2017 07:48PM
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hal
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samintx
I'm anxious to see what happens to 45 on his big world tour. The Pope will make him say 100 Hail Marys when 45 confessesOld Fogette

He aint goin' anywhere. WAY too insecure.

If he does, maybe we can refuse to let him re-enter the country. Wouldn't that be nice.


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Re: NYT: 45 tried to get Comey to stop investigating Flynn
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: May 16, 2017 08:11PM
.....but Comey don't play 'dat.......


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Re: NYT: 45 tried to get Comey to stop investigating Flynn
Posted by: beagledave
Date: May 16, 2017 08:29PM
Do the usual suspects here have anything besides "you lost" memes to respond to (1) 45 obstructing justice by telling Comey to quash the investigation, (2) firing Comey because he didn't, (3) leaking Israeli sourced intel to the Russians?

Do they really hate the Constitution as much as they hate Obama and HRC?

(That's a rhetorical question that we know the answer to)
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Re: NYT: 45 tried to get Comey to stop investigating Flynn
Posted by: beagledave
Date: May 16, 2017 08:41PM
I hope that Comey has REALLY good personal security. If he starts to cough.....
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Re: NYT: 45 tried to get Comey to stop investigating Flynn
Posted by: Ombligo
Date: May 16, 2017 09:08PM
This still requires both the house and senate to eat their own. I'm not sure the votes are there. Representatives in some districts fully know the blowback they would receive from the Trump cadre.

And even if Trump is removed, we still inherit four years of Pence. While he may be sane, he is far more insidious.


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Re: NYT: 45 tried to get Comey to stop investigating Flynn
Posted by: Speedy
Date: May 16, 2017 09:10PM
Pres. Trump has little to fear. The Republicans are not going to impeach him, let alone convict him. His base is solidly behind him. He can count on the Russian cyber forces to have his back. He knows anything he does in his official capacity will not result in any criminal jeopardy. He sees himself as untouchable and he pretty much is unless he goes insane to the point that he becomes incapacitated and the 25th Amendment comes into play. If things get bad enough, he will just invade a country.


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Re: NYT: 45 tried to get Comey to stop investigating Flynn
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: May 16, 2017 10:05PM
....hope things start snowballing because they are looking like they are piling up......


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Re: NYT: 45 tried to get Comey to stop investigating Flynn
Posted by: S. Pupp
Date: May 17, 2017 12:25AM
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Lemon Drop
So wrote Comey in a February memo obtained by the Times. People, that's obstruction of justice, and it's impeachable.

It's been almost 150 years since a Republican president was impeached.
This is despite arguably impeachable offenses by Nixon, Reagan, and GW Bush. Granted, Nixon got away with it by resigning and being pardoned by his Republican successor, but recent history suggests that impeaching a president of the party of the Elite just won't happen.
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Re: NYT: 45 tried to get Comey to stop investigating Flynn
Posted by: Lux Interior
Date: May 17, 2017 07:30AM
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$tevie
If he does, maybe we can refuse to let him re-enter the country. Wouldn't that be nice.

Well, has anyone seen his birth certificate?
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Re: NYT: 45 tried to get Comey to stop investigating Flynn
Posted by: beagledave
Date: May 17, 2017 09:27AM
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Re: NYT: 45 tried to get Comey to stop investigating Flynn
Posted by: Numo
Date: May 17, 2017 10:31AM
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beagledave
Do the usual suspects here have anything besides "you lost" memes to respond to (1) 45 obstructing justice by telling Comey to quash the investigation, (2) firing Comey because he didn't, (3) leaking Israeli sourced intel to the Russians?

Do they really hate the Constitution as much as they hate Obama and HRC?

(That's a rhetorical question that we know the answer to)

Perhaps we will finally find out if Republicans are the patriots they claim to be.
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Re: NYT: 45 tried to get Comey to stop investigating Flynn
Posted by: rjmacs
Date: May 17, 2017 01:36PM
I don't relish saying I told you so, but I told you so.


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Re: NYT: 45 tried to get Comey to stop investigating Flynn
Posted by: pdq
Date: May 17, 2017 02:18PM
Ruth Marcus says it plainly in the WaPo:

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This is the kind of conversation that... a White House counsel should make sparklingly, crystal clear to a president that he is not to engage in, not even close. It is the kind of conversation that seems completely in character for Trump, who, over the course of the campaign and now in office, has betrayed no — zero — understanding of the necessary separation of the president and his Justice Department...

...In January, Trump reportedly sought a pledge of loyalty from Comey and failed to obtain it. In February, he pressured Comey to drop a pending investigation. In May, he fired him over “this Russia thing.” The lawyers can debate whether this satisfies the technical elements of obstruction. As a political matter, it more and more looks that way.

Taken as a whole, it's obstruction of justice, cut and dried. Don't let the GOP wiggle away from this.
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Re: NYT: 45 tried to get Comey to stop investigating Flynn
Posted by: pdq
Date: May 17, 2017 02:30PM
This, from an unnamed current GOP House member (via Politico):

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“If what the [New York Times] reported is true, Pence is probably rehearsing,” said one House Republican. “It’s just like Nixon. From the standpoint that it’s never the underlying issue, it is always the cover-up. It’s this denial. This whole notion that if he did tell Comey to stop the investigation and then later fires Comey, it’s hard not to make a practical case of obstruction.”

Ya think?
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Re: NYT: 45 tried to get Comey to stop investigating Flynn
Posted by: Dennis S
Date: May 17, 2017 03:22PM
I know Trump is a thug and idiot, but some of the things he does seem to be because he has never read or even watched on TV, political history. Most people know about things like "obstruction of justice" from osmosis or just being alive.
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Re: NYT: 45 tried to get Comey to stop investigating Flynn
Posted by: $tevie
Date: May 18, 2017 02:27PM
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rjmacs
I don't relish saying I told you so, but I told you so.

I still think you are wrong. Comey was out for Comey. The idea that he is democracy's last best hope is still silly in my eyes. The media is bringing down Trump, not Comey.


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Re: NYT: 45 tried to get Comey to stop investigating Flynn
Posted by: rjmacs
Date: May 19, 2017 10:11AM
I never said Comey wasn't an egomaniac, just that he has a legitimate Dudley Do-Right complex and could be 45's undoing.

I still think that his diligence and doggedness stand a good chance of being what makes this debacle actionable in court/Congress.


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