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Hillary: Russians are grooming Tulsi Gabbard to run as 3rd party candidate
Posted by: hal
Date: October 18, 2019 02:31PM
[www.nbcnews.com]

"She's the favorite of the Russians," Clinton said of the candidate she had in mind during a podcast appearance on "Campaign HQ" with David Plouffe, "and that's assuming Jill Stein will give it up, which she might not because she's also a Russian asset. She's a Russian asset! I mean, totally. They know they can't win without a third-party candidate."

seriously - wtf??
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Re: Hillary: Russians are grooming Tulsi Gabbard to run as 3rd party candidate
Posted by: Dennis S
Date: October 18, 2019 03:09PM
I've always thought there was something not-right about her.
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Re: Hillary: Russians are grooming Tulsi Gabbard to run as 3rd party candidate
Posted by: deckeda
Date: October 18, 2019 03:36PM
Ugh. Take one ounce of plausibility, subtract unsubstantiated rumors about Stein, and amp it all up on a podcast.

She's better than this. Maybe not, I don't know.

But I don't think anyone should doubt for a second there will be "some people" who push hard for an independent to create the expected wedge that divides voters. It doesn't mean they're actively supported by real humans however.
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Re: Hillary: Russians are grooming Tulsi Gabbard to run as 3rd party candidate
Posted by: Speedy
Date: October 18, 2019 03:38PM
Our local reactionary talk radio show host thinks it won’t be long before Rep. Gabbard changes parties. She ran as a Democrat in a Democratic state because she couldn’t win as a Republican. And you don’t have to be aware that you are a Russian asset to be one.



Saint Cloud, Minnesota, where the weather is wonderful even when it isn't.
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Re: Hillary: Russians are grooming Tulsi Gabbard to run as 3rd party candidate
Posted by: timg
Date: October 18, 2019 03:59PM
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Dennis S
I've always thought there was something not-right about her.

Are you referring to Gabbard, Hillary or both?



Skill without imagination is craftsmanship. Imagination without skill is Modern Art.
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Re: Hillary: Russians are grooming Tulsi Gabbard to run as 3rd party candidate
Posted by: Speedy
Date: October 18, 2019 04:04PM
Rep. Gabbard enjoyed working out with Speaker Ryan in the House gym. I’m sure that wouldn’t have been the case if they had been strong political opponents.



Saint Cloud, Minnesota, where the weather is wonderful even when it isn't.
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Re: Hillary: Russians are grooming Tulsi Gabbard to run as 3rd party candidate
Posted by: DeusxMac
Date: October 18, 2019 04:26PM
...and did Gabbard happen to mention she was in the Army?






...over, and over, and over, ad nauseam.
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Re: Hillary: Russians are grooming Tulsi Gabbard to run as 3rd party candidate
Posted by: rjmacs
Date: October 18, 2019 04:29PM
It's a bit of a jump from Russian-backed elements boosting your campaign on social media (does not require notifying candidate) to pegging you as a foreign asset. But I have a pretty low security clearance.



rj
AKA
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Re: Hillary: Russians are grooming Tulsi Gabbard to run as 3rd party candidate
Date: October 18, 2019 04:48PM
I think Hillary just went down a few notches on the credibility scale. Tulsi Gabbard? A tool of the Russians? Oh boy...

D & C
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Re: Hillary: Russians are grooming Tulsi Gabbard to run as 3rd party candidate
Posted by: hal
Date: October 18, 2019 06:00PM
[www.nytimes.com]

Tulsi hits back.

This might be the shot in the arm her candidacy needed.
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Re: Hillary: Russians are grooming Tulsi Gabbard to run as 3rd party candidate
Posted by: vision63
Date: October 18, 2019 06:11PM
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Dazed & Confused (Mobile)
I think Hillary just went down a few notches on the credibility scale. Tulsi Gabbard? A tool of the Russians? Oh boy...

D & C

Google this: russian troll farms jill stein

We know this to be true. Be about what's true. It's right in Mueller's report. Also why is her bitchass sitting here:





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Re: Hillary: Russians are grooming Tulsi Gabbard to run as 3rd party candidate
Posted by: vision63
Date: October 18, 2019 06:25PM
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hal
[www.nytimes.com]

Tulsi hits back.

This might be the shot in the arm her candidacy needed.

Seriously, nobody gives a @#$%& about her and their not going to start now. Heffa.
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Re: Hillary: Russians are grooming Tulsi Gabbard to run as 3rd party candidate
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: October 18, 2019 06:31PM
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vision63

Seriously, nobody gives a @#$%& about her and their not going to start now. Heffa.

Whatever good pointing this out might be, it's a good example of tone-deaf Clinton blowing another opportunity to make a positive contribution to the campaign.
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Re: Hillary: Russians are grooming Tulsi Gabbard to run as 3rd party candidate
Posted by: vision63
Date: October 18, 2019 06:37PM
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Steve G.
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vision63

Seriously, nobody gives a @#$%& about her and their not going to start now. Heffa.

Whatever good pointing this out might be, it's a good example of tone-deaf Clinton blowing another opportunity to make a positive contribution to the campaign.

You're misinterpretation of her telling the truth means you'd rather she not. Is Trump not a Russian asset? Should I not say that? Your take on her is such a flaw in the midst of you getting so much right.
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Re: Hillary: Russians are grooming Tulsi Gabbard to run as 3rd party candidate
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: October 18, 2019 06:57PM
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vision63

You're misinterpretation of her telling the truth means you'd rather she not. Is Trump not a Russian asset? Should I not say that? Your take on her is such a flaw in the midst of you getting so much right.

I think that of everything that Clinton could say at a higher level during this campaign she misdirected her attention with this remarks.

Plus, i would leave it to one of the other candidates or their spokespeople to comment on this. Just read what Gabbard said during the debate. She's channeling Kremlin propaganda outlets:
"Donald Trump has the blood of the Kurds on his hand," Gabbard said. "But so do many of the politicians in our country from both parties who have supported this ongoing regime change war in Syria that started in 2011, along with many in the mainstream media who have been championing and cheerleading this regime change war."
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Re: Hillary: Russians are grooming Tulsi Gabbard to run as 3rd party candidate
Posted by: Rolando
Date: October 18, 2019 08:59PM
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vision63
We know this to be true. Be about what's true. It's right in Mueller's report. Also why is her bitchass sitting here:

The Libertarians got twice as many votes, running two Republican Governors. Where do you think those votes came predominantly from.

Hilary. I voted for you. Sit this one out.



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Re: Hillary: Russians are grooming Tulsi Gabbard to run as 3rd party candidate
Posted by: Acer
Date: October 18, 2019 09:11PM
I think Hillary is right. Maybe not an asset as in on the payroll, but an asset as in exploitable to create enough division to spoil the election. Her soft views on Russia make her appealing to Russian-leaning money sources and their influence. Enough money to keep her campaign in the headlines, and swing states are in play again.
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Re: Hillary: Russians are grooming Tulsi Gabbard to run as 3rd party candidate
Posted by: $tevie
Date: October 18, 2019 09:42PM
Hillary turned out to be right about everything she had said about Trump. I have no reason to doubt her.



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Re: Hillary: Russians are grooming Tulsi Gabbard to run as 3rd party candidate
Posted by: vision63
Date: October 18, 2019 10:51PM
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Rolando
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vision63
We know this to be true. Be about what's true. It's right in Mueller's report. Also why is her bitchass sitting here:

The Libertarians got twice as many votes, running two Republican Governors. Where do you think those votes came predominantly from.

Hilary. I voted for you. Sit this one out.

People that have the guts to tell the whole truth makes everybody uncomfortable. People need to wake up.
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Re: Hillary: Russians are grooming Tulsi Gabbard to run as 3rd party candidate
Posted by: mattkime
Date: October 18, 2019 11:02PM
All that I'm going to say is that my facebook friend who rambles on about how evil hillary is voted for Jill Stein and now likes Tulsi Gabbard. I think its some sort of liberal lost cause / conspiracy theory thing. Possibly no fault or doing of the candidate. Sometimes the movement picks you.







Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/18/2019 11:02PM by mattkime.
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Re: Hillary: Russians are grooming Tulsi Gabbard to run as 3rd party candidate
Posted by: RgrF
Date: October 18, 2019 11:37PM
Gabbard and Warren both come from Republican roots and since both Clinton's are GOP lite it supports my thesis that today's Democratic Party (Bernie excepted - since he's never really been a Dem) is yesterday's GOP. Drumming up excitement for a candidate who is essentially yesterday's GOP is one Herculean task.

Good luck with that!*

It'll be a roundup of anti-Trump vote where it ought to be an inspiring moment that will change the trajectory of our society.

*Actually I meant suck on that Russ.wink smiley
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Re: Hillary: Russians are grooming Tulsi Gabbard to run as 3rd party candidate
Posted by: deckeda
Date: October 19, 2019 07:52AM
Sometimes the movement picks you.

This I believe. And the theories to fill in the gaps then flow.

And let's remember there is a difference between Russian campaign donations and the Russian troll farms. One is overt (the 2 guys working with Giuliani who got nabbed who donated to Sessions and others) and how the troll farms wildly support a candidate they see as disruptive online such as Stein.

Any weaker candidate like Gabbard the Russians can boost and exploit they surely will. She doesn't have to be "willingly part of it," let alone sit at a table with Putin to be that asset. It's how troll farms work. You don't have to apply for the job to be recruited and used.
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Re: Hillary: Russians are grooming Tulsi Gabbard to run as 3rd party candidate
Posted by: sekker
Date: October 19, 2019 10:46AM
And Sanders has never come clean of his acceptance of Russian anti-Clinton support during 2016 election.

Clinton’s formal statement is not specifying a candidate. The headline here is formally an exaggeration.

But if you ask her point blank two questions 1) will Russia try to exploit a third party candidate to help re-elect The Idiot? She will say yes. 2) who do you think the most likely candidate currently on the Dem debate stage is? Clinton will say TG - and not be wrong.
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Re: Hillary: Russians are grooming Tulsi Gabbard to run as 3rd party candidate
Posted by: vision63
Date: October 19, 2019 01:38PM
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RgrF
Gabbard and Warren both come from Republican roots and since both Clinton's are GOP lite it supports my thesis that today's Democratic Party (Bernie excepted - since he's never really been a Dem) is yesterday's GOP. Drumming up excitement for a candidate who is essentially yesterday's GOP is one Herculean task.

Good luck with that!*

It'll be a roundup of anti-Trump vote where it ought to be an inspiring moment that will change the trajectory of our society.

*Actually I meant suck on that Russ.wink smiley

ROTFL

But that's just sorting individuals based on labels. Bernie is the king of not getting anything done. He has a single piece of major legislation to his credit that he conjured up (Vets with McCain and it's a good bill) in decades of public service. He gloms onto others' legislation, tacks on his "features" and takes credit for "leading the way." Nothing really wrong with that because you have to toot your own horn.

But now, you're ambitious because there are a mass quantity of young people that lack historical context for just about anything. They just drink up his simple-minded remedies to complicated problems that have been routinely rejected for his entire career because he won't budge. His salvation is that in the core of his being, he's been practical and more than cooperative legislatively. A reliable vote.

Since he's become a rock star and has built an army of entitled overaged teenagers who expect everything on earth to tilt towards them and resolve their every concern with the wave of a wand, he's been out of control. He knows the excesses of his youthful contingent but he won't check them, because they're his power base, which used to just be socialists that aged with him. Russia used him. Russia used Black Lives Matter, Russia used Jill Stein, Russia basically pit the pure-minded against everyone else to peel away enough voters and votes.

Now it's a struggle to engage the disaffected to be motivated to participate in this participatory democracy. If you talk to them, they're just steeped in lies that has been pounded into whatever channels that they gather information. As a result, we're re-awakening ISIS.

Trump is desperate because he has to win. Between today and Nov 3rd next year the world is going to change because losing = full destruction for him. He's not going to let that happen if he can help it. I don't think we've seen anything yet.

Let me add, that if were to become president, he would do a good job. He'd try all of his tricks but that core practicality I mentioned would always kick in. He'd bring dignity back to the White House. But he'd be more opposed by the right than Obama.



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Re: Hillary: Russians are grooming Tulsi Gabbard to run as 3rd party candidate
Posted by: Filliam H. Muffman
Date: October 19, 2019 03:05PM
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$tevie
Hillary turned out to be right about everything she had said about Trump. I have no reason to doubt her.

She can still be tone deaf on lots of other topics and not helping the process of choosing the most popular candidate for 2020.



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Re: Hillary: Russians are grooming Tulsi Gabbard to run as 3rd party candidate
Posted by: $tevie
Date: October 19, 2019 03:31PM
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But Tulsi's response really hit all the favorite talking points of the Russian bots we got in 2016.
[crooksandliars.com]



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Re: Hillary: Russians are grooming Tulsi Gabbard to run as 3rd party candidate
Posted by: vision63
Date: October 19, 2019 03:48PM
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Filliam H. Muffman
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$tevie
Hillary turned out to be right about everything she had said about Trump. I have no reason to doubt her.

She can still be tone deaf on lots of other topics and not helping the process of choosing the most popular candidate for 2020.

She's out doing good things and making public appearances every day. She never shuts up. You clearly dont pay attention to any of that. She is phenomenally inspirational to millions daily. This is why she ranks as among the most admired human beings on earth. You couldn't be more wrong.
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Re: Hillary: Russians are grooming Tulsi Gabbard to run as 3rd party candidate
Posted by: Filliam H. Muffman
Date: October 19, 2019 04:02PM
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vision63
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Filliam H. Muffman
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$tevie
Hillary turned out to be right about everything she had said about Trump. I have no reason to doubt her.

She can still be tone deaf on lots of other topics and not helping the process of choosing the most popular candidate for 2020.

She's out doing good things and making public appearances every day. She never shuts up. You clearly dont pay attention to any of that. She is phenomenally inspirational to millions daily. This is why she ranks as among the most admired human beings on earth. You couldn't be more wrong.

She still turns off a large group of the voting public. It's fine if she continues to work, but she really needs to do it in the background and avoid being a news item.

Last night Michael Moore repeated his claim that 89,000 Michigan Dem/Dem-leaning voters left the President choice blank. Between Johnson, Stein, Other and blank, that's 7% of the Michigan electorate that didn't vote for either the Orange Dotard or Clinton. That's not counting the people that stayed away.



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Re: Hillary: Russians are grooming Tulsi Gabbard to run as 3rd party candidate
Posted by: hal
Date: October 19, 2019 05:41PM
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vision63
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hal
[www.nytimes.com]

Tulsi hits back.

This might be the shot in the arm her candidacy needed.

Seriously, nobody gives a @#$%& about her and their not going to start now. Heffa.

Seriously... how else would she have gotten THIS much attention? I have no doubt that this event will double her support! (to 2%)
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Re: Hillary: Russians are grooming Tulsi Gabbard to run as 3rd party candidate
Posted by: sekker
Date: October 19, 2019 06:16PM
Mayor Peat owned TG in the last debate on foreign policy. TG is done.

EDIT: 'Pete' of course.



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Re: Hillary: Russians are grooming Tulsi Gabbard to run as 3rd party candidate
Posted by: Beam Me Up Scotty
Date: October 19, 2019 07:03PM
More fuel for the fire:

CNN: Van Jones blasts Clinton over Gabbard claims: She's playing a 'very dangerous game'

[www.youtube.com]

CBSN: Tulsi Gabbard responds to Hillary Clinton: Clinton "knows she can't control me"

[www.youtube.com]

Politics: It's what separates us from the animals...

D & C
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Re: Hillary: Russians are grooming Tulsi Gabbard to run as 3rd party candidate
Posted by: Beam Me Up Scotty
Date: October 19, 2019 07:22PM
"Mayor Peat owned TG in the last debate on foreign policy. TG is done."

[www.cnn.com]

Both came away with making their points known. At best, I'd say it was a draw. But heck, what do I know. I'm just a Russian bot...

D & C
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Re: Hillary: Russians are grooming Tulsi Gabbard to run as 3rd party candidate
Posted by: Acer
Date: October 19, 2019 08:15PM
The important thing is to win. What is the greater threat, non-Candidate Clinton annoying a few Democrats to what, not vote again? Or is it a third party candidate, artificially boosted by the same Russian network that we know was operating in 2016, spoiling a close race?

If you vote for Trump in 2020 or stay home because a woman who isn't even running bothers you that much, there is no hope for you.



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Re: Hillary: Russians are grooming Tulsi Gabbard to run as 3rd party candidate
Posted by: sekker
Date: October 19, 2019 08:36PM
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Dazed & Confused
"Mayor Peat owned TG in the last debate on foreign policy. TG is done."

[www.cnn.com]

Both came away with making their points known. At best, I'd say it was a draw. But heck, what do I know. I'm just a Russian bot...

D & C

TG definitely made her points known, but from pundits I follow, they really were not grounded in what most consider to be known recent history. But what do I know...
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Re: Hillary: Russians are grooming Tulsi Gabbard to run as 3rd party candidate
Posted by: sekker
Date: October 19, 2019 08:37PM
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Acer
The important thing is to win. What is the greater threat, non-Candidate Clinton annoying a few Democrats to what, not vote again? Or is it a third party candidate, artificially boosted by the same Russian network that we know was operating in 2016, spoiling a close race?

If you vote for Trump in 2020 or stay home because a woman who isn't even running bothers you that much, there is no hope for you.

Yep.
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Re: Hillary: Russians are grooming Tulsi Gabbard to run as 3rd party candidate
Posted by: Dennis S
Date: October 19, 2019 08:58PM
I wonder if she is so far in the Russian tank that she may siphon off more Republican votes.
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Re: Hillary: Russians are grooming Tulsi Gabbard to run as 3rd party candidate
Posted by: Speedy
Date: October 19, 2019 09:41PM
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Dennis S
I wonder if she is so far in the Russian tank that she may siphon off more Republican votes.

Nope. The Trump voter base is rock-solid.



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Re: Hillary: Russians are grooming Tulsi Gabbard to run as 3rd party candidate
Posted by: vision63
Date: October 19, 2019 09:47PM
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hal
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vision63
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hal
[www.nytimes.com]

Tulsi hits back.

This might be the shot in the arm her candidacy needed.

Seriously, nobody gives a @#$%& about her and their not going to start now. Heffa.

Seriously... how else would she have gotten THIS much attention? I have no doubt that this event will double her support! (to 2%)

Hillary didn't even say her name. But it's clear that she's a Russian asset, and she wants to be so despite her 1% support, who else could it be?
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Re: Hillary: Russians are grooming Tulsi Gabbard to run as 3rd party candidate
Posted by: Dennis S
Date: October 19, 2019 09:54PM
Maybe Hillary shouldn't have said it, but she's probably right. Besides, people seem to be pretty ignorant these days. We need more people like Hillary warning the dumb masses.
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Re: Hillary: Russians are grooming Tulsi Gabbard to run as 3rd party candidate
Posted by: deckeda
Date: October 19, 2019 10:41PM
Those Gabbard replies were unhinged. “Embodiment of corruption?” Unreal.
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Re: Hillary: Russians are grooming Tulsi Gabbard to run as 3rd party candidate
Posted by: vision63
Date: October 20, 2019 05:03AM
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deckeda
Those Gabbard replies were unhinged. “Embodiment of corruption?” Unreal.

Just her typical ignorant ass bs idiotic vitriol. People like her enjoy dancing around the edges trying to make people embrace thieir worldview. It's all about them, not everybody. People like her want Trump to win.



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Re: Hillary: Russians are grooming Tulsi Gabbard to run as 3rd party candidate
Posted by: RgrF
Date: October 20, 2019 05:38AM
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vision63
People like her enjoy dancing around the edges trying to make people embrace thieir worldview. It's all about them, not everybody. People like her want Trump to win.

Take a step back V.

I don't carry any brief for or against Gabbard but for you this is almost word for word what you were saying* about Sanders 4 years ago, for the most part it's what you are still saying*.

The sands have shifted under your feet, you seem like a professional establishment centrist Dem who focuses on identity politics, identity politics by itself doesn't work nationally. Grassroots are seriously important but not more important than carrying an overreaching message.

The message turns out more than grassroots by itself can ever possibly turn out, organizing and delivering the vote is an assist and only works when people have already bought into that vote.

Trump proved that, the message is more important than the organization - ask Jeb or the tatters of the GOP what they conclude about organizational politics.

*had to go back and edit myself, twice to not type preaching.
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Re: Hillary: Russians are grooming Tulsi Gabbard to run as 3rd party candidate
Posted by: Pam
Date: October 20, 2019 08:46AM
From Bill Browder “Tulsi Gabbard say that she doesn’t control the Russian bots that support her, but she did control the hiring of Chris Cooper, the smear campaigner who was paid by Natalia Veselnitskaya and her Russian backed sponsors to smear me and try to repeal the Magnitsky Act in DC”
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Re: Hillary: Russians are grooming Tulsi Gabbard to run as 3rd party candidate
Posted by: Acer
Date: October 20, 2019 11:58AM
I'm putting this one in the "Looks like a duck, quacks like a duck" file.
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Re: Hillary: Russians are grooming Tulsi Gabbard to run as 3rd party candidate
Posted by: hal
Date: October 20, 2019 03:05PM
I find it really hard to believe that Clinton would unload this news unless she was absolutely sure. It sounds crazy. She has either lost her mind completely or she has done the USA one of the greatest favors in history. I lean towards the latter.

Gabbard sure is talking like someone putting on a show of being frustrated with the 'system' and it does kinda sounds like the lead up to, "well, I have no choice but to launch a 3rd party candidacy."

She can't possibly do that now. She never would have won anything, but she certainly could have pealed enough votes from the Dem to matter.

I the more I understand about the state of things, the more frightened I become.
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Re: Hillary: Russians are grooming Tulsi Gabbard to run as 3rd party candidate
Posted by: vision63
Date: October 20, 2019 04:54PM
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hal
I find it really hard to believe that Clinton would unload this news unless she was absolutely sure. It sounds crazy. She has either lost her mind completely or she has done the USA one of the greatest favors in history. I lean towards the latter.

Gabbard sure is talking like someone putting on a show of being frustrated with the 'system' and it does kinda sounds like the lead up to, "well, I have no choice but to launch a 3rd party candidacy."

She can't possibly do that now. She never would have won anything, but she certainly could have pealed enough votes from the Dem to matter.

I the more I understand about the state of things, the more frightened I become.

Hillary didn't mention her name. Tulsi outed herself. This is from last February. I don't know why you guys cut these people who encourage and court our enemies slack.

Russia's propaganda machine discovers 2020 Democratic candidate Tulsi Gabbard
Experts who track websites and social media linked to Russia have seen stirrings of a possible campaign of support for Hawaii Democrat Tulsi Gabbard.
[www.nbcnews.com]
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Re: Hillary: Russians are grooming Tulsi Gabbard to run as 3rd party candidate
Posted by: vision63
Date: October 20, 2019 04:57PM
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RgrF
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vision63
People like her enjoy dancing around the edges trying to make people embrace thieir worldview. It's all about them, not everybody. People like her want Trump to win.

Take a step back V.

I don't carry any brief for or against Gabbard but for you this is almost word for word what you were saying* about Sanders 4 years ago, for the most part it's what you are still saying*.

The sands have shifted under your feet, you seem like a professional establishment centrist Dem who focuses on identity politics, identity politics by itself doesn't work nationally. Grassroots are seriously important but not more important than carrying an overreaching message.

The message turns out more than grassroots by itself can ever possibly turn out, organizing and delivering the vote is an assist and only works when people have already bought into that vote.

Trump proved that, the message is more important than the organization - ask Jeb or the tatters of the GOP what they conclude about organizational politics.

*had to go back and edit myself, twice to not type preaching.

Bernie was Russian asset #1 and it's proven and noted right in Mueller's report. Bernie himself knew his campaign was being gamed and chose to do NOTHING about it. They're doing it again right now. Virtually every word coming out of a Bernie Bot's mouth is rooted in some lie perpetuated and broadened by outside forces.

People have one job. Vote against Donald Trump. That's it.
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Re: Hillary: Russians are grooming Tulsi Gabbard to run as 3rd party candidate
Posted by: hal
Date: October 20, 2019 05:24PM
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vision63
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hal
I find it really hard to believe that Clinton would unload this news unless she was absolutely sure. It sounds crazy. She has either lost her mind completely or she has done the USA one of the greatest favors in history. I lean towards the latter.

Gabbard sure is talking like someone putting on a show of being frustrated with the 'system' and it does kinda sounds like the lead up to, "well, I have no choice but to launch a 3rd party candidacy."

She can't possibly do that now. She never would have won anything, but she certainly could have pealed enough votes from the Dem to matter.

I the more I understand about the state of things, the more frightened I become.

Hillary didn't mention her name. Tulsi outed herself. This is from last February. I don't know why you guys cut these people who encourage and court our enemies slack.

Russia's propaganda machine discovers 2020 Democratic candidate Tulsi Gabbard
Experts who track websites and social media linked to Russia have seen stirrings of a possible campaign of support for Hawaii Democrat Tulsi Gabbard.
[www.nbcnews.com]

Hillary said it was a presidential candidate referred to as 'she' - the rest of the world connected the dots. Did you think that she didn't mean to imply that it was Gabbard? Perhaps someone else? What do YOU think she was talking about on that podcast?

Why are telling me that I am cutting slack for "people who encourage and court our enemies". I honestly have no idea what you are talking about. I'm just reading the news and talking about it.
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Re: Hillary: Russians are grooming Tulsi Gabbard to run as 3rd party candidate
Posted by: vision63
Date: October 20, 2019 05:40PM
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I find it really hard to believe that Clinton would unload this news unless she was absolutely sure. It sounds crazy. She has either lost her mind completely or she has done the USA one of the greatest favors in history. I lean towards the latter.

Gabbard sure is talking like someone putting on a show of being frustrated with the 'system' and it does kinda sounds like the lead up to, "well, I have no choice but to launch a 3rd party candidacy."

She can't possibly do that now. She never would have won anything, but she certainly could have pealed enough votes from the Dem to matter.

I the more I understand about the state of things, the more frightened I become.

Hillary didn't mention her name. Tulsi outed herself. This is from last February. I don't know why you guys cut these people who encourage and court our enemies slack.

Russia's propaganda machine discovers 2020 Democratic candidate Tulsi Gabbard
Experts who track websites and social media linked to Russia have seen stirrings of a possible campaign of support for Hawaii Democrat Tulsi Gabbard.
[www.nbcnews.com]

Hillary said it was a presidential candidate referred to as 'she' - the rest of the world connected the dots. Did you think that she didn't mean to imply that it was Gabbard? Perhaps someone else? What do YOU think she was talking about on that podcast?

Why are telling me that I am cutting slack for "people who encourage and court our enemies". I honestly have no idea what you are talking about. I'm just reading the news and talking about it.

The rest of the world needs to keep connecting the dots. They sure have the energy to crawl up Hillary and Obama's butts as far as it'll take them but Tulsi shouldn't be called out? I know one thing, any of these candidates that defend Tulsi are done.

What's going to be the next investigation regarding emails?

HILLARY CLINTON CLEARED OF MISHANDLING CLASSIFIED INFORMATION AFTER 3-YEAR PRIVATE EMAIL PROBE, TRUMP SO FAR SILENT
[www.newsweek.com]
[www.newsweek.com]
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Re: Hillary: Russians are grooming Tulsi Gabbard to run as 3rd party candidate
Posted by: hal
Date: October 20, 2019 07:22PM
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I find it really hard to believe that Clinton would unload this news unless she was absolutely sure. It sounds crazy. She has either lost her mind completely or she has done the USA one of the greatest favors in history. I lean towards the latter.

Gabbard sure is talking like someone putting on a show of being frustrated with the 'system' and it does kinda sounds like the lead up to, "well, I have no choice but to launch a 3rd party candidacy."

She can't possibly do that now. She never would have won anything, but she certainly could have pealed enough votes from the Dem to matter.

I the more I understand about the state of things, the more frightened I become.

Hillary didn't mention her name. Tulsi outed herself. This is from last February. I don't know why you guys cut these people who encourage and court our enemies slack.

Russia's propaganda machine discovers 2020 Democratic candidate Tulsi Gabbard
Experts who track websites and social media linked to Russia have seen stirrings of a possible campaign of support for Hawaii Democrat Tulsi Gabbard.
[www.nbcnews.com]

Hillary said it was a presidential candidate referred to as 'she' - the rest of the world connected the dots. Did you think that she didn't mean to imply that it was Gabbard? Perhaps someone else? What do YOU think she was talking about on that podcast?

Why are telling me that I am cutting slack for "people who encourage and court our enemies". I honestly have no idea what you are talking about. I'm just reading the news and talking about it.

The rest of the world needs to keep connecting the dots. They sure have the energy to crawl up Hillary and Obama's butts as far as it'll take them but Tulsi shouldn't be called out? I know one thing, any of these candidates that defend Tulsi are done.

What's going to be the next investigation regarding emails?

HILLARY CLINTON CLEARED OF MISHANDLING CLASSIFIED INFORMATION AFTER 3-YEAR PRIVATE EMAIL PROBE, TRUMP SO FAR SILENT
[www.newsweek.com]
[www.newsweek.com]

Why are you yelling at me?

I didn't say Tulsi shouldn't be called out. Why are suggesting that I did? Explain it please.

"I don't know why you guys cut these people who encourage and court our enemies slack."

I'm asking again... I why did you say this? Who do you think I was cutting slack for? Gabbard? Read what I wrote! The way I read it, you are insulting me deeply and I have no idea why. In all the years that I've hung out with you here, you've never done that. I don't get it.
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