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Covid-19 overreported, pneumonia underreported
Posted by: Buck
Date: April 14, 2020 04:54PM
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Wow… The data for the 2019–2020 season (the dark-blue line) shows that from the first week of February, the number of pneumonia deaths began a rapid decline.

As we can see from the data since 2013, the start of this pneumonia season was very similar to the previous seasons. The pattern of pneumonia deaths is remarkably consistent year after year.

What’s going on here? Was there suddenly a cure for pneumonia?

No, there wasn’t. It seems likely that pneumonia deaths are being reclassified as COVID-19 deaths… possibly in hopes of receiving a larger amount of aid from the CARES Act.

Since week four of this year, there are now 7,158 fewer cases of pneumonia than the average number of cases for the last seven years.

The U.S. now has 23,134 deaths “classified” as COVID-19 now. If we account for the 7,158 reclassified cases of pneumonia to COVID-19, the actual number of COVID-19 deaths probably is more like 15,976.

Now, I hate to assume the worst. Maybe there is another explanation. Perhaps health care professionals are being pressured to be overly aggressive when reporting COVID-19 deaths. After all, no hospital wants to be the one that mislabeled a COVID-19 fatality.

But we know now that COVID-19 deaths are likely inflated. This begs another question. How many deaths from chronic lung disease, cardiovascular disease, influenza, lung cancer, AIDS, or other conditions with similar symptoms to COVID-19 are being reclassified as COVID-19 deaths?
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Re: Covid-19 overreported, pneumonia underreported
Posted by: rjmacs
Date: April 14, 2020 05:02PM
Fortunately for us pdq has already debunked this for us!

Here's the "wow" graph that we're being warned about (so you don't have to click):



As pointed out in the other thread, this "pneumonia drop" happens every year as part of the normal reporting cycle. Here's a GIF that shows how corrections in reporting bring the numbers back into line as part of the every-year cycle:



And here's a link the the article on Debunking Coronavirus Trutherism.

Thanks, pdq, for doing this work for us already. Sorry, Buck - try again!



rj
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Vreemac, Moth of the Future




Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 04/14/2020 05:10PM by rjmacs.
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Re: Covid-19 overreported, pneumonia underreported
Posted by: DeusxMac
Date: April 14, 2020 05:14PM
Where DO you dig up these sites Buck?

“The feds stepped up to the challenge. But their instincts are always corrupted by self-interest… and self-delusion.

They think they know more than they really do. And they can’t help themselves; they want to boss and bully… and increase their own power.

So they weren’t going to let a perfectly good crisis go to waste.

Instead of facing up to COVID-19 with grace and courage, burying the dead, and embracing the living…

…instead of backing off and letting normal civilized society return to its work…”




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Re: Covid-19 overreported, pneumonia underreported
Posted by: mattkime
Date: April 14, 2020 05:19PM
>But we know now that COVID-19 deaths are likely inflated.

Eh, nope, try again.
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Re: Covid-19 overreported, pneumonia underreported
Posted by: S. Pupp
Date: April 14, 2020 05:39PM
Again, physicians accused of being rogues.
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Re: Covid-19 overreported, pneumonia underreported
Posted by: bfd
Date: April 14, 2020 06:24PM
Buck up, buddy. Even a broken watch gets it right twice a day…
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Re: Covid-19 overreported, pneumonia underreported
Posted by: deckeda
Date: April 14, 2020 08:30PM
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Buck
... Maybe there is another explanation. ...

There is. You're apparently incapable of determining what credible sources look like.

There's an easy way to test those assertions of over-reporting, and it can be done in nearly any community ion the land! But you might not like how you feel for a week or four afterwards.
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Re: Covid-19 overreported, pneumonia underreported
Posted by: wave rider
Date: April 15, 2020 01:42AM
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DeusxMac
Where DO you dig up these sites Buck?

“The feds stepped up to the challenge. But their instincts are always corrupted by self-interest… and self-delusion.

They think they know more than they really do. And they can’t help themselves; they want to boss and bully… and increase their own power.

So they weren’t going to let a perfectly good crisis go to waste.

Instead of facing up to COVID-19 with grace and courage, burying the dead, and embracing the living…

…instead of backing off and letting normal civilized society return to its work…”

[en.m.wikipedia.org]

QAnon is one place…



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Re: Covid-19 overreported, pneumonia underreported
Posted by: RgrF
Date: April 15, 2020 02:35AM
Some people get lost in the tsunami of information out there, others manage to navigate that turbulence while still others only seek out information that fits their view of the world.
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Re: Covid-19 overreported, pneumonia underreported
Posted by: pdq
Date: April 15, 2020 10:00AM
Honestly, the number of Covid deaths is almost certainly under-reported. Some folks may try to tough it out at home (or on the streets, as the case may be), and they’re found dead.

The cause of these deaths only become apparent in retrospect, when the numbers are all final, and there’s a statistically improbable bump of “natural causes” deaths.
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Re: Covid-19 overreported, pneumonia underreported
Posted by: Sarcany
Date: April 15, 2020 10:24AM
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pdq
Honestly, the number of Covid deaths is almost certainly under-reported...

In defiance of the CDC, New York City has released a count of *probable* COVID-19 deaths where no testing was done. So far, they've found 3,700 victims, going back to March 11th.

And some 3,000 "excess deaths" from people who either couldn't get to a hospital or who had inadequate treatment due to the overwhelmed health system.

They've offered it to the CDC, but the CDC won't take it.

The NY Times has worked with the National Center for Health Statistics suggested that deaths across the country are occurring about twice as frequently for the same period last year, which suggests that there are many more COVID-19 related fatalities than are accounted for.



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Re: Covid-19 overreported, pneumonia underreported
Posted by: DeusxMac
Date: April 15, 2020 02:35PM
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Sarcany
They've offered it to the CDC, but the CDC won't take it.

Robert Ray Redfield Jr. - Director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention

“He was nominated for the post by President Donald Trump, after the President's first appointee resigned in scandal. His nomination was considered controversial, and was opposed by the Center for Science in the Public Interest, which cited Redfield's lack of experience administering a public health agency, his history of scientific misconduct, and his religious advocacy in response to a public health crisis. Earlier reporting refers to his advocacy of a religious agenda in response to the AIDS crisis.”
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Re: Covid-19 overreported, pneumonia underreported
Posted by: rjmacs
Date: April 15, 2020 02:44PM
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DeusxMac
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Sarcany
They've offered it to the CDC, but the CDC won't take it.

Robert Ray Redfield Jr. - Director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention

“He was nominated for the post by President Donald Trump, after the President's first appointee resigned in scandal. His nomination was considered controversial, and was opposed by the Center for Science in the Public Interest, which cited Redfield's lack of experience administering a public health agency, his history of scientific misconduct, and his religious advocacy in response to a public health crisis. Earlier reporting refers to his advocacy of a religious agenda in response to the AIDS crisis.”

Is that the same Robert Ray Redfield, Jr. who co-founded the Institute of Human Virology with Robert Gallo, recent peddler of polio vaccines for covid-19?



rj
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Vreemac, Moth of the Future
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