&^%$#@!
[sportsillustrated.cnn.com]

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The following is a list of sports team names and mascots derived from indigenous peoples, including generically used terms, those named after specific peoples, and words or iconography derived from indigenous languages or traditions.

There is considerable controversy over these team names and mascots because various Native American activist groups view them as disrespectful and offensive. Most notably, the National Congress of American Indians has issued a resolution opposing continued usage of Native team names, mascots and logos. Various tribal entities have also issued resolutions opposing usage, as well.

Interestingly, as a whole the American Indian people themselves do not oppose the Redskins, Indians or Braves nicknames according to an article in the March 4, 2002 edition of Sports Illustrated magazine, The Indian Wars by S.L. Price with a sidebar by Andrea Woo, pp 66-72. Those articles reported that according to a poll by the Peter Harris Research Group, that with a margin of error of plus or minus 4%, 83% of the Indians polled said that professional teams should not stop using Indian nicknames, mascots or symbols. When pollsters asked Native Americans about the Washington Redskins American football team, and the Cleveland Indians and Atlanta Braves baseball clubs, they found no great resentment toward the team names. Putting it charitably, the Price and Woo articles said that there's a near total disconnect between Indian activists and the rank and file Native American population on this issue.

Scholars have challenged the Sports Illustrated findings on multiple grounds. King, et al. (2002) argue (1) the SI poll is problematic because it serves to distract readers from the history and implications of mascots. (2) The survey features problematic sampling and identification issues produce non-representative and un-generalizable findings (for example, Snipp (1992) writes of the difficulty involved in any quantitative research on Native Americans in national polling). (3) SI decontextualizes mascots and the controversy about them. (4) The article discussing the poll concludes that mascots are unproblematic merely because a majority of polled Native people say they are, thus discounting the validity of a critical minority. And (5) the consequences for public debate and social justice are ignored by the poll, which treats the issue as critically as SI treats sports injuries or debate over which teams will make the playoffs.

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"Who's more foolish - the fool or the fool that follows him?" - Obi Wan Kenobi

Woo Hoo! You just cannot take this from the kids.

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/22/2007 06:29AM by spearmint.

The kids don't give a @#$%& minty, you do!

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"Who's more foolish - the fool or the fool that follows him?" - Obi Wan Kenobi

That's why they were wearing Black T-Shirts because Minty ordered them to?



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 02/22/2007 08:47AM by spearmint.

The radio reports/interviews I heard this morning had 'kids' (college) sobbing and choked up.

Sorry to hear it. Team Spirit will never be the same.

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There is more to team spirit than a mascot.
Things change.
Life goes on.

In a few years, kids entering the University will wonder what all the fuss was about while they whoop it up to their new mascot's antics.

Besides, things could be worse.
You could be getting a Stanford Tree.

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heap big steaming pile of PC BS

My suggestion still stands that the Fighting Illini be renamed the Surrendering Sodomites
because we have all just been buggered big time.

This about what's being said, not about who's saying it. Right?

The message is not the messenger.

Yet another form of genuine diversity forced to conform to the rigid norm
imposed by those who worship at the altar of political correctness.

Liberals' priorities are so backwards (hey Les--I think Bobby Knight yelled at
his players again...better go do something).

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Comandanta_Blankenship
Yet another form of genuine diversity forced to conform to the rigid norm imposed by those who worship at the altar of political correctness.

Bah. Argumentation via buzzwords.

I am tired of people bitching about "political correctness". If it's that important to you to have fake Indians dancing around, you can do it in the privacy of your own home.

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If it's that important to you to have fake Indians dancing around, you can do it in the privacy of your own home.

That sounds kinda gay.
Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Oh, who am I kidding?
That's totally wrong.

Despite the fact that I feel that mascot is insensitive, I also know it's gotta suck to have your tradition snatched away. Your job Spearmint is really to make sure that the Illini keep it's spirit alive. The school is still there. The team is still there and continues to require support. The chief is gone and is not coming back. Just deal with it and enjoy your sports.

Now that we've added that scalp to our belts, the PC Police needs to start changing the
names of all of those offensive towns, cities, lakes, and rivers, which were cruelly labelled
with Native American names, like Chicago, which will now be called
WhiteDevilLandStealerVill

A tradition since 1926 swept away by the NCAA. BS.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 02/22/2007 06:22PM by spearmint.

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Berzeko
Now that we've added that scalp to our belts, the PC Police needs to start changing the
names of all of those offensive towns, cities, lakes, and rivers, which were cruelly labelled
with Native American names, like Chicago, which will now be called
WhiteDevilLandStealerVill

Having a geographical reference named after you is usually considered an honor. Not quite the same, don't you think?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/22/2007 06:33PM by Carnos Jax.

I think you would start to feel a little PC, Shakeman, if there were a team called the Fighting Morons.

Spearmint needs to get a life instead of obsessing about meaningless piffle.

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billb those are some beautiful pictures.

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The top pic is Pride.
Not necessarily employed by all Native Americans in that fashion, but, that's the Spirit that is supposed to be inspiring the dancing Indian.
Sadly, some see only what they want to see.

The bottom pic is how iron eyes would react if he read this thread.
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Some people just can't stop killing Indians. Even caricatures.
Apparently can't stand the reminders.

PC put them on reservations to deal with them, too.


Respect for the environment is a good thing. We need the reminders of those who lived by it.
Like the Wampanoag who lived here, before me.

Shame the Epidemics and neighboring tribes wiped so many of them out before the Pilgrims arrived here.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 02/22/2007 09:54PM by billb.

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>Some people just can't stop killing Indians. Even caricatures.
Apparently can't stand the reminders.<

So do you speak for all the Indian tribes bill, or just certain, select tribes?

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Gilligan was never really a castaway , either.

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spearmint
A tradition since 1926 swept away by the NCAA. BS.

Making "coloreds" sit at the back of the bus was a time-honored tradition at one point too.

My thoughts over at the old folks home:

"Wonder how supporters of this "tradition" would feel if it were a couple of white boys dancing around in blackface instead of wearing a headress?

Supporting something like this is saying that insidious racism like this is OK. It is not. It is hurtful to us as a society and as human beings. It is not "PC" to oppose it any more that it is PC to oppose demeaning and inaccurate stereotypical representations of any people.

Supporting something like this while professing to understand and appreciate (if not agree with) our country's native peoples and their history is as absurd as believing that the earth is 10,000 years old while getting a PHD in paleontology."

Plus some actual background on the tradition and why it is racist.

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>... is as absurd as believing that the earth is 10,000 years old while getting a PHD in paleontology." <

I take it you mean this twit:
[select.nytimes.com]

Actually his advisor is the real twit...