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An interesting item from 538 this morning; what if we had a parliamentary system?
Posted by: pdq
Date: October 30, 2020 09:43AM
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For those of you fed up with the horse race, a poll from Echelon Insights reimagined what the 2020 election might look like if the U.S. were a multi-party democracy. Respondents were read descriptions of five hypothetical political parties, without the name of the party or its leader. And among these hypothetical parties, the Labor and Conservative Parties collectively led with 26 and 25 percent of the vote respectively, followed by the Nationalist Party, which got 16 percent, and then Acela and Green Parties, which got 11 percent each. The hypothetical Green Party, which the pollster said would advocate for socialist policies and would be “the political home of the Squad,” got support from 45 percent of Gen Z voters (those born after 1997).

If we actually did have a multiparty system, our attitudes and choices might be different than this poll found, but still, I found this interesting. I’ve long been a fan of the two party system, but the Trump accident has started to change my mind.

PS- edumacate me - what is an Acela-type party?
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Re: An interesting item from 538 this morning; what if we had a parliamentary system?
Posted by: deckeda
Date: October 30, 2020 11:10AM
Acela is a derisive term Republicans use like RINO. Non-believers, people not “from here” (but they take Amtrak’s Acela high speed rail to swing in and bother us).

That sort of thing.

Super-inclusive, yeah?
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Re: An interesting item from 538 this morning; what if we had a parliamentary system?
Posted by: deckeda
Date: October 30, 2020 11:15AM
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“America’s hidden duopoly” — Freakonomics podcast episode. I’m sure it’s available on other platforms but in the interest of time (and laziness) I just posted from the Overcast app.

The advocates for a new system have interesting, and damn simple, ideas for politicians to actually compete for voters, a thing our current setup doesn’t do at all.
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Re: An interesting item from 538 this morning; what if we had a parliamentary system?
Posted by: mrbigstuff
Date: October 30, 2020 01:39PM
Acela travels between Boston, New York and D.C., therefore those folks that dominate will continue to dominate. Not really true, at least as much as it was true, but some stereotypes have a very long half life.


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Re: An interesting item from 538 this morning; what if we had a parliamentary system?
Posted by: Filliam H. Muffman
Date: October 30, 2020 02:01PM
The plurality has been Independent for almost as long as it has been an official option. There is a chance a third party could become the most popular if someone personable came up with a good platform.


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Re: An interesting item from 538 this morning; what if we had a parliamentary system?
Posted by: Pam
Date: October 30, 2020 03:11PM
No parties as the founding fathers wanted. They knew the dangers of labels and consolidation of power.
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Re: An interesting item from 538 this morning; what if we had a parliamentary system?
Posted by: sekker
Date: October 30, 2020 03:11PM
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Filliam H. Muffman
The plurality has been Independent for almost as long as it has been an official option. There is a chance a third party could become the most popular if someone personable came up with a good platform.

We did this experiment in MN, it's why Arnold went with a mainstream party instead of third party.

Then that led the way to... 45.

Sorry for the MN experiment!
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Re: An interesting item from 538 this morning; what if we had a parliamentary system?
Posted by: p8712
Date: October 30, 2020 03:26PM
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Pam
No parties as the founding fathers wanted. They knew the dangers of labels and consolidation of power.

And then they formed political parties.
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Re: An interesting item from 538 this morning; what if we had a parliamentary system?
Posted by: rjmacs
Date: October 30, 2020 06:04PM
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Pam
No parties as the founding fathers wanted. They knew the dangers of labels and consolidation of power.

And then they formed political parties.

No fantasy of the Founding Fathers is arguably as rich and ridiculous as the idea that a modern republic could govern itself without political parties.

The political party system (already dominant in Britain at the time of the founding) was going to allow the United States to keep its independence from parties in about the same way America's colonial settlers were going to leave indigenous people to live in peace and share the land.


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Re: An interesting item from 538 this morning; what if we had a parliamentary system?
Posted by: Ted King
Date: October 30, 2020 06:12PM
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Pam
No parties as the founding fathers wanted. They knew the dangers of labels and consolidation of power.

And then they formed political parties.

It's inevitable. There are activist-oriented folks who find other activist-oriented folks that have a large overlap in their preferences for what the government should and shouldn't do. They will want to cooperate with each other to accomplish many of their shared goals. It seems likely to me that many of the founding fathers knew that in spite of how they seemed sometimes to have conceptualized government without parties.


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