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The more things seem different...
Posted by: RgrF
Date: November 14, 2020 09:16AM
...the more they seem the same.

Joe Biden has named President Obama’s former top immigration adviser Cecilia Muñoz to his transition team. During her time in the White House, Muñoz often justified Obama’s harsh immigration enforcement policies, including the administration’s deportation of thousands of Central American children and its decision to kill an executive order that would have halted deportations. In 2011, Muñoz was interviewed by PBS’s Maria Hinojosa.
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Re: The more things seem different...
Posted by: deckeda
Date: November 14, 2020 09:47AM
Conflating Muñoz with Miller is a fundamental rookie error.
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Re: The more things seem different...
Posted by: RgrF
Date: November 14, 2020 09:50AM
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Conflating Muñoz with Miller is a fundamental rookie error.

How?

She laid the tarmac they taxied down.



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Re: The more things seem different...
Posted by: deckeda
Date: November 14, 2020 10:18AM
One of them followed the law and one of them bent it way out of shape through interpretation. It’s called a false equivalency. Obama was criticized but the comparison to the Trump administration remains wildly off the mark if you consider intent, method of enforcement.

Just in that one quote alone from her, she’s saying the laws are crap. Trump, on the other hand, didn’t mind so much. With him it’s the PEOPLE being deported and separated that are the problem. That does tend to influence whatcha do with them, no?
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Re: The more things seem different...
Posted by: RgrF
Date: November 14, 2020 10:59AM
"So the laws are crap" that's an excuse?

How does that make this not just another apologist statement?

Remember when the Clinton regime passed criminal laws that today are intolerable? Is that something we ought to just forget.



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Re: The more things seem different...
Posted by: Rolando
Date: November 14, 2020 11:57AM
I called Obama the Deporter in Chief on many occasions. He was pretty ruthless on that, but efficient as well.

He did NOT allow kids to be kept in cages.

He did separated families to linger in concentration camps for months on end.

He did not "lose" children.

Trump was to inept to be good at deporting.



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Re: The more things seem different...
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: November 14, 2020 12:27PM
“Law and Order “ politics has always been “keep the brown people down” politics.
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Re: The more things seem different...
Posted by: pdq
Date: November 14, 2020 12:38PM
I know I’m being an apologist here, but I feel like immigration (and rational immigration reform) were important issues during Obama’s tenure, and either Obama didn’t want to be painted as “favoring amnesty”, or he felt that enforcing the laws as written in this regard would push society (and Congress) toward reform.

Neither of which worked, in any case. But having failed that, at least he did come up with DACA, which the right predictably freaked out about.
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Re: The more things seem different...
Posted by: deckeda
Date: November 15, 2020 09:45AM
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RgrF
"So the laws are crap" that's an excuse?

It’s an explanation. If it were an excuse I probably would not have acknowledged the criticism and then gone on to ...

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RgrF
How does that make this not just another apologist statement?

... show how Trump is different and far worse, which remains something you’re willingly ignoring in your zeal of purity.

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RgrF
Remember when the Clinton regime passed criminal laws that today are intolerable? Is that something we ought to just forget.

That depends on how far you’d like to keep taking your own thread off-topic.
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Re: The more things seem different...
Posted by: rjmacs
Date: November 15, 2020 09:51AM
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pdq
I know I’m being an apologist here, but I feel like immigration (and rational immigration reform) were important issues during Obama’s tenure, and either Obama didn’t want to be painted as “favoring amnesty”, or he felt that enforcing the laws as written in this regard would push society (and Congress) toward reform.

Neither of which worked, in any case. But having failed that, at least he did come up with DACA, which the right predictably freaked out about.

President Obama had 2 years of a Congressional majority, and he used it to pass the ACA. After the 2010 midterms, he had no chance of passing real immigration reform with Majority Leader McConnell in the senate.



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