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Yes, it's the other Election Day, and this one counts
Posted by: Ca Bob
Date: December 14, 2020 03:00AM
December 14, 2020 has finally arrived. Today the electors in 50 states and the D.C. meet in their appointed locations and sign their electoral vote forms. Six copies of each. And this time, there should be reporters and photographers and television cameras, because so much has been made of the event. And perhaps some of the anchor desk reporters will explain to our people that according to the Constitution, these are the votes that count. And let's hope that by the time the late news comes around, the stations will be reporting that Biden has achieved the majority vote out of 538 total that he needs for his official victory. And that the Constitution does not provide for further discussion of the count by any court, but only by the congress, and that the congress has minimal authority over the electoral vote count.

And we can expect that a few Republicans in the congress will try and mess up an otherwise splendid day in January when the votes are counted, but they will have to do so in the glare of so much publicity that the count will not be in dispute.

Happy Election Day.
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Re: Yes, it's the other Election Day, and this one counts
Posted by: deckeda
Date: December 14, 2020 09:34AM
It will be a great day, despite people like Stephen “Dead Eyes” Miller whoring himself on Fox and Friends claiming that Trump can still prevail right up until the inauguration.

Read a piece in WaPo the other day about 1960. Republicans tried to overturn the election, heavily lobbying and canvassing electors right up until their vote. Had all sorts of schemes and proposed ideas for who to shove into office instead of Kennedy. It gained some traction.

Nixon wasn’t of course on board, and publicly denounced the asinine effort, but zealots will be zealots. I imagine he remembered that some years later.
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Re: Yes, it's the other Election Day, and this one counts
Posted by: sekker
Date: December 14, 2020 10:20AM
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deckeda
It will be a great day, despite people like Stephen “Dead Eyes” Miller whoring himself on Fox and Friends claiming that Trump can still prevail right up until the inauguration.

Read a piece in WaPo the other day about 1960. Republicans tried to overturn the election, heavily lobbying and canvassing electors right up until their vote. Had all sorts of schemes and proposed ideas for who to shove into office instead of Kennedy. It gained some traction.

Nixon wasn’t of course on board, and publicly denounced the asinine effort, but zealots will be zealots. I imagine he remembered that some years later.

Link? Sounds fascinating.
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Re: Yes, it's the other Election Day, and this one counts
Posted by: Janit
Date: December 14, 2020 10:25AM
As of 11:23 AM EST Trump has 28 votes and Biden has 7.

Watch the votes as they come in:

[www.nytimes.com]
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Re: Yes, it's the other Election Day, and this one counts
Posted by: Ted King
Date: December 14, 2020 10:32AM
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Janit
As of 11:23 AM EST Trump has 28 votes and Biden has 7.

Watch the votes as they come in:

[www.nytimes.com]

I can see Trump tweeting at this point - "Stop the vote (while I'm ahead)!!!!!"



e pluribus unum
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Re: Yes, it's the other Election Day, and this one counts
Posted by: Speedy
Date: December 14, 2020 10:36AM
Trump 50 - Biden 27. I’m starting to worry.



Saint Cloud, Minnesota, where the weather is wonderful even when it isn't.
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Re: Yes, it's the other Election Day, and this one counts
Posted by: Janit
Date: December 14, 2020 10:54AM
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Speedy
Trump 50 - Biden 27. I’m starting to worry.


Now Trump 56 - Biden 36

More fun than watching paint dry.
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Re: Yes, it's the other Election Day, and this one counts
Posted by: Ombligo
Date: December 14, 2020 11:20AM
You can also watch at [www.270towin.com]



“No persons are more frequently wrong, than those who will not admit they are wrong.”
-- François de La Rochefoucauld

Growing older is mandatory. Growing up is optional.
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Re: Yes, it's the other Election Day, and this one counts
Posted by: GGD
Date: December 14, 2020 11:33AM
When are they going to start counting all of those illegal votes for Biden?

That NY Times map is pretty interesting, never knew that CA had a border with TX.

BTW: How has the Electoral College's football team been doing this season?
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Re: Yes, it's the other Election Day, and this one counts
Posted by: Janit
Date: December 14, 2020 11:35AM
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Ombligo
You can also watch at [www.270towin.com]

Yes, they update sooner than either nytimes or WAPO.
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Re: Yes, it's the other Election Day, and this one counts
Posted by: deckeda
Date: December 14, 2020 11:55AM
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sekker
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deckeda
It will be a great day, despite people like Stephen “Dead Eyes” Miller whoring himself on Fox and Friends claiming that Trump can still prevail right up until the inauguration.

Read a piece in WaPo the other day about 1960. Republicans tried to overturn the election, heavily lobbying and canvassing electors right up until their vote. Had all sorts of schemes and proposed ideas for who to shove into office instead of Kennedy. It gained some traction.

Nixon wasn’t of course on board, and publicly denounced the asinine effort, but zealots will be zealots. I imagine he remembered that some years later.

Link? Sounds fascinating.

[www.washingtonpost.com]
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Re: Yes, it's the other Election Day, and this one counts
Posted by: deckeda
Date: December 14, 2020 11:56AM
Can’t decide what’s sweeter: Knowing that two of NY’s electors are Bill and Hillary Clinton, or that so many Republicans around the country are voting today for Biden.
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Re: Yes, it's the other Election Day, and this one counts
Posted by: PeterB
Date: December 14, 2020 12:20PM
Anyone want to take any bets on the number of faithless electors?




Freya says, 'Hello from NOLA, baby!' (Laissez bon temps rouler!)
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Re: Yes, it's the other Election Day, and this one counts
Posted by: sekker
Date: December 14, 2020 12:46PM
As of 12:45CT, Nevada, Arizona, PA and GA are all under Biden now - count is 166 Biden to 123 Trump.

All over.
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Re: Yes, it's the other Election Day, and this one counts
Posted by: steve...
Date: December 14, 2020 12:55PM
The Michigan Capitol was closed because of credible threats of violence.

Washington (CNN) "Credible threats of violence" have prompted Michigan authorities to close the state capitol to the public and shutter House and Senate offices, a spokeswoman said, on the day the Electoral College will formally declare Joe Biden the President-elect.

The tension surrounding Monday's procedure -- a typically routine event affirming a presidential victory -- was underscored in an interview with a GOP state lawmaker who floated the possibility of violence at the capitol and was swiftly stripped of his committee assignments by the legislature's Republican leaders.


CNN




Northern California Coast
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Re: Yes, it's the other Election Day, and this one counts
Posted by: hal
Date: December 14, 2020 01:14PM
Stephen Miller: 'Alternate' electors will keep Trump election challenge alive

President Trump's allies are preparing to send an "alternate" slate of electors to Congress, senior White House adviser Stephen Miller said Monday, signaling Trump will drag out his efforts to overturn the results of the 2020 election even after the Electoral College certifies Joe Biden as the winner.

Miller, appearing on Fox News as a senior adviser to the Trump campaign, brushed off the idea that the Electoral College vote marked any kind of end to the process.

"The only date in the Constitution is Jan. 20. So we have more than enough time to right the wrong of this fraudulent election result and certify Donald Trump as the winner of the election," Miller said on "Fox & Friends."

"As we speak, today, an alternate slate of electors in the contested states is going to vote and we're going to send those results up to Congress," he continued. "This will ensure that all of our legal remedies remain open. That means that if we win these cases in the courts, that we can direct that the alternate state of electors be certified."


video: [twitter.com]
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Re: Yes, it's the other Election Day, and this one counts
Posted by: space-time
Date: December 14, 2020 01:15PM
apparently some states are going to send an alternate delegation to congress on Jan 6?

Also the President of the Senate, Mike Pence is supposed to certify the results?

How did our Founding Fathers leave such holes in the Constitution?
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Re: Yes, it's the other Election Day, and this one counts
Posted by: deckeda
Date: December 14, 2020 01:25PM
The V.P. announcement is a formality. A roll call identifying how each state voted.

Any state that sends an alternate reality crew to Congress is inviting a shitstorm to rain down upon them, with full-on Ezekiel 25:17 consequences. At worse, they could delay the inauguration.
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Re: Yes, it's the other Election Day, and this one counts
Posted by: deckeda
Date: December 14, 2020 01:29PM
Side note

It’s good to get this crap out of the way, and with some lessons learned, before the next round of Republicans tries their own coup. Because anyone but Trump would be smarter about it.

But look again at the Miller quote. “That means that if we win these cases in the courts,“

I suppose no one has been telling him the news about that the past several weeks.
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Re: Yes, it's the other Election Day, and this one counts
Posted by: Janit
Date: December 14, 2020 01:31PM
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deckeda
The V.P. announcement is a formality. A roll call identifying how each state voted.

Any state that sends an alternate reality crew to Congress is inviting a shitstorm to rain down upon them, with full-on Ezekiel 25:17 consequences. At worse, they could delay the inauguration.

And then Nancy Pelosi will be Queen for a Day.
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Re: Yes, it's the other Election Day, and this one counts
Posted by: pdq
Date: December 14, 2020 01:35PM
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hal
Stephen Miller: 'Alternate' electors will keep Trump election challenge alive

Alternate facts, alternate electors, alternate reality.

That’s what the GOP currently lives in.
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Re: Yes, it's the other Election Day, and this one counts
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: December 14, 2020 01:40PM
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pdq

Alternate facts, alternate electors, alternate reality.

That’s what the GOP currently lives in.


Prison terms for them all....no alternates.
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Re: Yes, it's the other Election Day, and this one counts
Posted by: PeterB
Date: December 14, 2020 01:49PM
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Steve G.
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pdq

Alternate facts, alternate electors, alternate reality.

That’s what the GOP currently lives in.


Prison terms for them all....no alternates.

Exactly. How is this not sedition? They're attempting to promote the overthrow of government by trying to have one of their own.




Freya says, 'Hello from NOLA, baby!' (Laissez bon temps rouler!)
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Re: Yes, it's the other Election Day, and this one counts
Posted by: deckeda
Date: December 14, 2020 02:11PM
It’s a kind of Catch-22. They are supported by people who in turn take their lead. Meaning, no liberal who makes a claim of sedition will be heard from. It’s the nature of cult behavior, tho. Any Republican who speaks out is either ignored, shunned or “one of” the opposition.

Just gotta keep voting them out until they can be replaced with conservatives who want something more than raw power.
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Re: Yes, it's the other Election Day, and this one counts
Posted by: PeterB
Date: December 14, 2020 02:23PM
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deckeda
It’s a kind of Catch-22. They are supported by people who in turn take their lead. Meaning, no liberal who makes a claim of sedition will be heard from. It’s the nature of cult behavior, tho. Any Republican who speaks out is either ignored, shunned or “one of” the opposition.

Just gotta keep voting them out until they can be replaced with conservatives who want something more than raw power.

The problem with this argument is that, if the positions were reversed and we now had a bunch of Democrats creating "alternative electors" and a shadow government, we would be hearing neverending howls about it from the other side. So I think what's fair for the goose...




Freya says, 'Hello from NOLA, baby!' (Laissez bon temps rouler!)
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Re: Yes, it's the other Election Day, and this one counts
Posted by: gabester
Date: December 14, 2020 02:46PM
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PeterB
The problem with this argument is that, if the positions were reversed and we now had a bunch of Democrats creating "alternative electors" and a shadow government, we would be hearing neverending howls about it from the other side. So I think what's fair for the goose...

I mean, isn't that EXACTLY what happened in 2016 when Hillary's Deep State secretly ran everything about the US Government and withheld powers from the rightful President for years? Otherwise how could he not have known things like "I am the #1 law enforcement officer" and "commander in chief of the military, they tell me?!"

You know, that Deep State that just stole this election by reelecting a Republican Senate and increasing Republican Seats in the House.

These partisans should seriously consider renaming their party "IOKIYAR" and keep on mouth breathing such cognitively dissonant hypocracy... then take all that prison space being freed up from the legaliation of marijuana in ever more states and LOCK THEM UP.
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Re: Yes, it's the other Election Day, and this one counts
Posted by: sekker
Date: December 14, 2020 03:09PM
50 more minutes, CA will put Biden over the 270 threshold.
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Re: Yes, it's the other Election Day, and this one counts
Posted by: lost in space
Date: December 14, 2020 03:18PM
Montana is the only state left that will go Trump, with 3 electoral votes. With Trump currently at 229, I don't think he'll make it.



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Re: Yes, it's the other Election Day, and this one counts
Posted by: GGD
Date: December 14, 2020 03:22PM
Biden leading 240 to 232, I think he might just pull off this win.
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Re: Yes, it's the other Election Day, and this one counts
Posted by: Ca Bob
Date: December 14, 2020 03:32PM
Was just wondering if they could get all the Democratic House and Senate members vaccinated this week so they could be physically present at the joint session. The Republicans have either already had it or don't seem to care about the risk.
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Re: Yes, it's the other Election Day, and this one counts
Posted by: Ca Bob
Date: December 14, 2020 04:16PM
The winning votes in California are going on live right now:

[www.nbcnews.com]
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Re: Yes, it's the other Election Day, and this one counts
Posted by: rgG
Date: December 14, 2020 04:36PM
It is done.





Roswell, GA (Atlanta suburb)
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Re: Yes, it's the other Election Day, and this one counts
Posted by: Ca Bob
Date: December 14, 2020 04:48PM
Weird. I actually know one of the electors through our neighborhood council system. They called her name as a replacement for somebody who could not make it today. It must be an amazing feeling to be the one to pound the last spike into the end of the Trump presidency.
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Re: Yes, it's the other Election Day, and this one counts
Posted by: GGD
Date: December 14, 2020 05:02PM
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Asked if he would leave the White House if the Electoral College votes for Biden, Trump said: “Certainly I will. Certainly I will. And you know that.”

[www.reuters.com]

That was 18 days ago but he has a long history of lying.
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Re: Yes, it's the other Election Day, and this one counts
Posted by: Ted King
Date: December 14, 2020 07:32PM
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Ca Bob
Weird. I actually know one of the electors through our neighborhood council system. They called her name as a replacement for somebody who could not make it today. It must be an amazing feeling to be the one to pound the last spike into the end of the Trump presidency.

Oh yeah!



e pluribus unum
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Re: Yes, it's the other Election Day, and this one counts
Posted by: pdq
Date: December 14, 2020 07:44PM
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Ca Bob
Weird. I actually know one of the electors through our neighborhood council system. They called her name as a replacement for somebody who could not make it today. It must be an amazing feeling to be the one to pound the last spike into the end of the Trump presidency.

Maybe something to tell their grandchildren some day.

Hopefully they will respond “‘Trump’ who now?”
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Re: Yes, it's the other Election Day, and this one counts
Posted by: rjmacs
Date: December 15, 2020 03:35PM
Zero faithless electors. Take that, Sweet Potato Saddam - Biden beat you in the final electoral tally!!



rj
AKA
Vreemac, Moth of the Future
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