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Oxford/AstraZeneca chief sez vaccine just as effective as Pfizer and Moderna
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: December 27, 2020 02:03PM
On Saturday night, the chief executive of AstraZeneca said that its vaccine is as effective as the ones developed by Pfizer and Moderna.

“We think we have figured out the winning formula and how to get efficacy that, after two doses, is up there with everybody else,” he told The Sunday Times (UK). “I can’t tell you more because we will publish at some point.”
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Re: Oxford/AstraZeneca chief sez vaccine just as effective as Pfizer and Moderna
Posted by: Sarcany
Date: December 27, 2020 02:12PM
Hey! If they publish, then there might be peer review before the EUA!

That would be a very nice change of pace.



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Re: Oxford/AstraZeneca chief sez vaccine just as effective as Pfizer and Moderna
Posted by: bfd
Date: December 27, 2020 02:43PM
Kinda hard to publish with warp speed timelines - peer review takes months - sometimes a year or more - not weeks or days. And even with proverbial pedal to the metal, getting academicians rounded up at this time of year must be somewhat like herding cats.

In this instance, there's a profit motive as well as a public health crisis, which makes it much harder to evaluate fairly.
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Re: Oxford/AstraZeneca chief sez vaccine just as effective as Pfizer and Moderna
Posted by: Sarcany
Date: December 27, 2020 03:08PM
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bfd
Kinda hard to publish with warp speed timelines - peer review takes months - sometimes a year or more - not weeks or days. And even with proverbial pedal to the metal, getting academicians rounded up at this time of year must be somewhat like herding cats.

In this instance, there's a profit motive as well as a public health crisis, which makes it much harder to evaluate fairly.

Keeping in mind that this company is responsible for the Tamoxifen fiasco, concealing that it caused aggressive breast and uterine AND ovarian cancer, stroke and blindness, censoring the data, ending multiple trials early to avoid the disclosure, and settling lawsuits with NDAs to keep it on the market for as long as possible. (WHO now lists it as a carcinogen, too little and too late as it's one of the most widely used post-chemo agents in the world $$$$$.)

So, yeah. Not the most trustworthy. Actually, less trustworthy than Pfizer.

Which is why peer-review would be nice.







Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/28/2020 02:30PM by Sarcany.
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Re: Oxford/AstraZeneca chief sez vaccine just as effective as Pfizer and Moderna
Posted by: Ombligo
Date: December 27, 2020 07:50PM
Not to sound conspiratorial, but does anyone else find it odd that all these vaccines are being found at essentially the same time. Not just here, but the British and Chinese vaccines all seemed to have been discovered during this same time frame.



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Re: Oxford/AstraZeneca chief sez vaccine just as effective as Pfizer and Moderna
Posted by: RgrF
Date: December 27, 2020 07:55PM
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Ombligo
Not to sound conspiratorial, but does anyone else find it odd that all these vaccines are being found at essentially the same time. Not just here, but the British and Chinese vaccines all seemed to have been discovered during this same time frame.

The scientific community isn't always hampered by realpolitic. It wouldn't surprise if they didn't find backdoor ways ways to exchange up-to-date info as they scrambled to find a solution.
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Re: Oxford/AstraZeneca chief sez vaccine just as effective as Pfizer and Moderna
Posted by: rgG
Date: December 27, 2020 08:13PM
I believe I saw a story where someone, group of scientist, had sequenced a similar coronavirus just prior to the pandemic. They shared this sequencing with the world and supposedly this is what really sped up the process.





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Re: Oxford/AstraZeneca chief sez vaccine just as effective as Pfizer and Moderna
Posted by: Speedy
Date: December 27, 2020 09:39PM
I read an article (which I cannot find) that said the Brits had developed a vaccine within two weeks of getting the DNA sequence from the Chinese. Must have been in February.

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Ombligo
Not to sound conspiratorial, but does anyone else find it odd that all these vaccines are being found at essentially the same time. Not just here, but the British and Chinese vaccines all seemed to have been discovered during this same time frame.



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Re: Oxford/AstraZeneca chief sez vaccine just as effective as Pfizer and Moderna
Posted by: sekker
Date: December 28, 2020 09:26AM
This interview with Dr Fauci explains why these vaccines work so well. Based on decades of prior science and a ton of work on a prior coronavirus. The spike protein is used as the epitope for vaccination, and there is a key confirmation /shape needed to be maximally immunogenic.

[overcast.fm]
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