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What's going to happen with the Republican Party?
Posted by: Ted King
Date: January 07, 2021 05:06PM
What's going to happen with the Republican Party?

Are they going to try to hide the racist/fascist wing of the party under the table like the good ol' days? If so, how likely is it that they will succeed?

Will the "traditional" wing whither away and the Republican Party will be the same as the Trumplican Party.

Will they strongly fracture between "traditional" Republicans and Trumplicans?

Will the Party be an uncomfortable coalition loosely held together merely by the common desire to see the horrible libs not get anything done?

Something else?



e pluribus unum



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/07/2021 05:18PM by Ted King.
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Re: What's going to happen with the Republican Party?
Posted by: mattkime
Date: January 07, 2021 05:24PM
The only way they'll change is if they start losing a LOT more elections.



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Re: What's going to happen with the Republican Party?
Posted by: RgrF
Date: January 07, 2021 05:24PM
If Trump survives the next two weeks he'll become their biggest nightmare. If he's either impeached or removed through the 25th they may drag that old Nixon roadmap out.

Not necessarily an apt analogy since Nixon's Silent Majority wasn't ever batshit crazy nor was Nixon.
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Re: What's going to happen with the Republican Party?
Posted by: bfd
Date: January 07, 2021 05:37PM
Power and money. Separating them from those two things will be a good start. The power piece is forthcoming. McConnell and his ilk are now beholden to the Dem. majority. The money piece can come if Congress will pass some serious legislation to kneecap all the PACs. It could happen if there is a will to make it happen.

All of the grift and massaging of grift that comes with Congress and the presidency is out of control.

Half a billion dollars for one state's runoff elections? Who's beholden now… ????
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Re: What's going to happen with the Republican Party?
Posted by: vision63
Date: January 07, 2021 05:55PM
Him being suspended from Twitter and Facebook has made a big difference.
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Re: What's going to happen with the Republican Party?
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: January 07, 2021 05:59PM
......pick yourself up......dust yourself off......start all over again.......???



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Re: What's going to happen with the Republican Party?
Posted by: Ammo
Date: January 07, 2021 06:04PM
I think they will stagger on as is for awhile, then break into competing “I’m crazier than you” movements. What I hope happens is that moderate Republicans will be able to survive in some form. Frankly, I think the same scenario may be in store for the Dems, too.



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Re: What's going to happen with the Republican Party?
Posted by: numbered
Date: January 07, 2021 06:07PM
This is a great question, one that the Never Trumpers have been talking about. And I agree with the comments about the money.

But the elephant in the room is the media environment. Fox News makes money by making people crazy. Just like Facebook, blowing the horn of lies and grievance makes things crazier. And makes money. Right now the biggest threat to Fox is the even nuttier Newsmax and OAN. As Fox started to hint that maybe Trump had lost, some of the craziest people started watching the new places.

As long as there are channels pumping out crazy propaganda the GOP will be hard pressed to limit the crazy. Doing so would mean they could not win. Their choice is to be crazy (and get lots of campaign money) or say the truth and be declared heretic.
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Re: What's going to happen with the Republican Party?
Posted by: numbered
Date: January 07, 2021 06:11PM
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Ammo
Frankly, I think the same scenario may be in store for the Dems, too.

I just don't think this is true. The Dems have a different problem, but there is no Fox equivalent, nor is there the firehose of plutocrat funding.

If you think about it, the Dems are more than willing to criticize their own. Look at the Bernie/Hillary battle. The GOP, however, will instantly shun anyone critical of the team. Look at Romney.
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Re: What's going to happen with the Republican Party?
Posted by: Ted King
Date: January 07, 2021 06:12PM
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numbered
This is a great question, one that the Never Trumpers have been talking about. And I agree with the comments about the money.

But the elephant in the room is the media environment. Fox News makes money by making people crazy. Just like Facebook, blowing the horn of lies and grievance makes things crazier. And makes money. Right now the biggest threat to Fox is the even nuttier Newsmax and OAN. As Fox started to hint that maybe Trump had lost, some of the craziest people started watching the new places.

As long as there are channels pumping out crazy propaganda the GOP will be hard pressed to limit the crazy. Doing so would mean they could not win. Their choice is to be crazy (and get lots of campaign money) or say the truth and be declared heretic.

Nice analysis.



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Re: What's going to happen with the Republican Party?
Posted by: vision63
Date: January 07, 2021 06:13PM
The Republican Party was taken over by Moral Majority first. The Contract for American sealed it and the Tea Party consumed it. Their radical right which was the tail took over the whole dog. There used to be pro choice Republicans.
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Re: What's going to happen with the Republican Party?
Posted by: Ted King
Date: January 07, 2021 06:17PM
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vision63
The Republican Party was taken over by Moral Majority first. The Contract for American sealed it and the Tea Party consumed it. Their radical right which was the tail took over the whole dog. There used to be pro choice Republicans.

Yeppers. Where do you think the Party will go now? Will the Republican Party become synonymous with the Trumplican Party?



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Re: What's going to happen with the Republican Party?
Posted by: deckeda
Date: January 07, 2021 06:37PM
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vision63
The Republican Party was taken over by Moral Majority first. The Contract for American sealed it and the Tea Party consumed it. Their radical right which was the tail took over the whole dog. There used to be pro choice Republicans.

And the common denominator throughout has been ideology not centered on any societal need. It’s one thing to disagree on HOW some issue should be accomplished. That’s standard compromise at work, i.e. democracy. But when you seemingly stand for such regressiveness, theoretical pseudo religiosity and a litany of off-topic distractions it’s pretty clear yer Brand is only in it for the money and power.
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Re: What's going to happen with the Republican Party?
Posted by: vision63
Date: January 07, 2021 06:53PM
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Ted King
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vision63
The Republican Party was taken over by Moral Majority first. The Contract for American sealed it and the Tea Party consumed it. Their radical right which was the tail took over the whole dog. There used to be pro choice Republicans.

Yeppers. Where do you think the Party will go now? Will the Republican Party become synonymous with the Trumplican Party?

They're going to go where the people allow them to go. If the Democrats can string together back to back administrations and take over a majority of statehouses, then the Republican Party will have no choice but to hew to the left. By that time the Democrats will be so drunk with our own brand of purity, righteousness and political correctness that they'll be able to lure some of 'em to their party and win again.
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Re: What's going to happen with the Republican Party?
Posted by: btfc
Date: January 07, 2021 07:22PM
The reasonable republicans (rrs) will denounce the riots, and the patriot party faction (ppers) will attack them for it and attempt to primary them in 2022. The bulk of the party will follow the money. Changing demographics are going to hurt what’s left of the Repug party, but the Democrats face a challenging task in cleaning up the destruction that Trump has wrought.
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Re: What's going to happen with the Republican Party?
Posted by: deckeda
Date: January 07, 2021 07:31PM
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btfc
The reasonable republicans (rrs) will denounce the riots, and the patriot party faction (ppers) will attack them for it and attempt to primary them in 2022. The bulk of the party will follow the money. Changing demographics are going to hurt what’s left of the Repug party, but the Democrats face a challenging task in cleaning up the destruction that Trump has wrought.

In that case Job One has got to be the elimination of the money train, because the sad irony seems to be that the deplorables would, I believe, by and large become educated if they had actual conservative leaders willing to lead them, and not cow-tow to their base instinct.
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Re: What's going to happen with the Republican Party?
Posted by: Don C
Date: January 08, 2021 12:00AM
Indiana elected a Democratic senator for one term when the Tea Party nominated a candidate that general election Republicans could not tolerate. The Party of Trump could certainly do the same thing, dominating the primary with a candidate that cannot win in the general.

Of course the Democrats are at risk of splitting too with the far left advocating change that cannot be sold to a general election population. The far ends of both parties are going to make for a most interesting couple of years.
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Re: What's going to happen with the Republican Party?
Posted by: Michael
Date: January 08, 2021 06:47AM
The Republican party will evolve.

Look how quickly the AL Republicans moved from nominating the crazy, twice-removed Supreme Court chief of AL, Roy Moore (with his unique interest in teenage girls) to the (not-crazy) conservative Tommy Tuberville, who's primary qualification seems to be that he was a very effective head coach for Auburn from 1999 through 2008.
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Re: What's going to happen with the Republican Party?
Posted by: deckeda
Date: January 08, 2021 08:31AM
In AL, being an effective Auburn coach automatically qualifies you for God or, failing that, a downgrade to President.
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Re: What's going to happen with the Republican Party?
Posted by: Ombligo
Date: January 08, 2021 09:11AM
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deckeda
In AL, being an effective Auburn coach automatically qualifies you for God or, failing that, a downgrade to President.

Nick Saban already has the God position.



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