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The new problem of vaccine “choice”
Posted by: deckeda
Date: March 01, 2021 10:47AM
Remember when mRNA vaccines weren’t trusted? You might, because you’re well-read. But to everyone else, the Johnson & Johnson vaccine (aka “normal” vaccine) is now considered a “bad” alternative.

This came up in a call Biden had with state Governors, who worry that J&J’s easier distribution and storage ... which means it’ll wind up in poorer areas ... will be viewed as the janky alternative to rich people get.

[www.washingtonpost.com]

It’s been a year, and now we have too many choices apparently, never mind that the new vaccine keeps you from dying AND rejects the more recent and faster-spreading variants.
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Re: The new problem of vaccine “choice”
Posted by: GGD
Date: March 01, 2021 11:04AM
Is there really a "choice" here. The appointment sites that I've seen for a first dose pretty much say you have no choice at all and get what they have that day.

But later this year as they vaccinate younger people there may become a reason to require a specific brand. The Pfizer vaccine is approved for ages 16+, while the other two are 18+, so when it comes time to vaccinating 16 and 17 year olds, Pfizer may be the only approved option.
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Re: The new problem of vaccine “choice”
Posted by: rjmacs
Date: March 01, 2021 11:17AM
If everyone gets vaccinated, it won't matter if some vaccines are more effective than others.



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Re: The new problem of vaccine “choice”
Posted by: deckeda
Date: March 01, 2021 11:29AM
All true. I’m speaking about what the article is speaking about: the potential for people to reject the only vaccine available to them because they heard it’s not “as effective.”
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Re: The new problem of vaccine “choice”
Posted by: mattkime
Date: March 01, 2021 11:50AM
The past year has shown that if people can complain, they will.



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Re: The new problem of vaccine “choice”
Posted by: davester
Date: March 01, 2021 11:53AM
This is all stupidity and misinformation. Since there have been no trials conducted that have compared the vaccines under the same conditions and against the same Covid variants, there is zero information regarding whether any one vaccine is more effective than another. People seem to be comparing noncomparable numbers and coming to nonsensical conclusions.

Oh, not to mention that in a world of vaccine scarcity, "vaccine choice" is a purely first world problem.



"In science it often happens that scientists say, 'You know that's a really good argument; my position is mistaken,' and then they would actually change their minds and you never hear that old view from them again. They really do it. It doesn't happen as often as it should, because scientists are human and change is sometimes painful. But it happens every day. I cannot recall the last time something like that happened in politics or religion." (1987) -- Carl Sagan



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Re: The new problem of vaccine “choice”
Posted by: mrbigstuff
Date: March 01, 2021 12:18PM
As I mentioned in another thread (and probably deserving its own discussion), there are people not satisfied that the "good" vaccines are "only" 95% effective.

They don't get it.
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Re: The new problem of vaccine “choice”
Posted by: JoeH
Date: March 01, 2021 12:34PM
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rjmacs
If everyone gets vaccinated, it won't matter if some vaccines are more effective than others.

That is a huge IF...
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Re: The new problem of vaccine “choice”
Posted by: davester
Date: March 01, 2021 12:39PM
The other thing about vaccine "choice" is that viruses evolve much more quickly than cellular organisms. One scenario is that a variant may evolve that is completely resistant to a formerly "best" vaccine. If that happens, it could spread like wildfire amongst the folks who took that "best" vaccine and we're back to square one.



"In science it often happens that scientists say, 'You know that's a really good argument; my position is mistaken,' and then they would actually change their minds and you never hear that old view from them again. They really do it. It doesn't happen as often as it should, because scientists are human and change is sometimes painful. But it happens every day. I cannot recall the last time something like that happened in politics or religion." (1987) -- Carl Sagan
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Re: The new problem of vaccine “choice”
Posted by: hal
Date: March 01, 2021 12:43PM
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deckeda
Remember when mRNA vaccines weren’t trusted? You might, because you’re well-read. But to everyone else, the Johnson & Johnson vaccine (aka “normal” vaccine) is now considered a “bad” alternative.

This kind of discussion was only going on among people that don't know what they are talking about. Anyone 'following the science' isn't listening to that nonsense.
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Re: The new problem of vaccine “choice”
Posted by: numbered
Date: March 01, 2021 12:53PM
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davester
People seem to be comparing noncomparable numbers and coming to nonsensical conclusions.

fwiw, for the nerds amongs here is Helen Branswell's briefing on the differences among the three vaccines, including the different samples for the trials. She says,

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Because of the difference in the trials, making direct comparisons is a bit like comparing apples and oranges. Additionally, Pfizer and Moderna’s vaccines were tested before the emergence of troubling new variants in Britain, South Africa, and Brazil. It’s not entirely clear how well they will work against these mutated viruses.
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Re: The new problem of vaccine “choice”
Posted by: Bill in NC
Date: March 01, 2021 01:55PM
if you really want I bet you could get them all by the end of the year as long as you're willing to cough up the dough after your first free one.
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Re: The new problem of vaccine “choice”
Posted by: PeterB
Date: March 01, 2021 05:00PM
Stupid. I *want* the J&J vaccine, particularly because of the 100% efficacy re hospitalizations leading to death, and that it seems fairly effective against the variants.

Now *getting* the J&J, that'll be the hard part...




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Re: The new problem of vaccine “choice”
Posted by: DinerDave
Date: March 01, 2021 06:08PM
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rjmacs
If everyone gets vaccinated, it won't matter if some vaccines are more effective than others.

agree smiley

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Re: The new problem of vaccine “choice”
Posted by: rgG
Date: March 02, 2021 09:02AM
I have heard that some people think it might be good to get both types of vaccine, at some point.
Also the J&J vaccine was tested during a much different environment than the other two. I suspect they are all about the same in efficacy, in real world use.
The J&J will be much easier to get to people, and it being only one dose is a huge plus, too.





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