...with two northern Dems voting against. How long before Schumer borks it 10-9-8...?



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Right on. Way to go house!

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"“Standing in line to vote is not voter suppression,” Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene, a Republican from the state, said on Wednesday during the debate in Washington. “It’s just part of the voting process. Just like people stand in line to buy groceries at the grocery store.”"

What is with these luddites and their lame, outdated analogies. I don't have to stand in line for anything anymore, not even groceries, unless I choose to. I don't see in my Pocket Constitution where voting has to be a pain in the ass.



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Greene is just a trolling right-wing noise machine - she has no power. People like Greene are not the problem, weak-kneed political leaders who have real power but either don't know how or refuse to use it are today's real problem.

Vote by mail should be national. We’ve had it in Oregon since 1998. With 15.5 million votes cast since then there have been a total of 14 fraud cases. Paper trail, an app that messages you when you ballot is mailed and received. Simple. Effective.

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Simple. Effective.

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That, of course, is the problem as Republicans see it.

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Simple. Effective.

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That, of course, is the problem as Republicans see it.

fraud, baby! FRAUD! FRAUD!! FRAUD!!!

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Vote by mail should be national. We’ve had it in Oregon since 1998. With 15.5 million votes cast since then there have been a total of 14 fraud cases. Paper trail, an app that messages you when you ballot is mailed and received. Simple. Effective.

And as Trump explained, easy to sabotage as well. Not 'cause fraud', just ensure non-delivery. Any plan needs to include postal service protections.

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...with two northern Dems voting against. How long before Schumer borks it 10-9-8...?

Realistically, this is a long shot in the Senate, since the Republicans will oppose lockstep any efforts to make voting easier.

I wondered how long it would be before someone blamed Schumer and/or the Dems in general.

Think he can get rid of the filibuster without losing a single vote?

This is a historical marker. In the short run, Democrats could very easily lose both the House and the Senate next year if this does not pass. With it, voting would be more fair, with more consistent results.

In the long run, democracy as we have come to assume it could be in danger.

Republicans have publicly said repeatedly this fairness is unacceptable. Just the other day, while arguing in the Supreme Court in the Arizona case, their lawyer claimed politics is a "zero sum game," and that fairness to others is directly unfair to Republicans. I am not aware that his opinion of how politics works was challenged, a seriously bad omen overall.

These are the stakes: Conservative idiocy and gamesmanship are both being waged in the pursuit of righteousness and power.

This bill is more than enough to justify - even temporarily - removing the filibuster.

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This bill is more than enough to justify - even temporarily - removing the filibuster.

And a temporary removal might sway Manchin et al. But if he's hard core against it, he can kiss any Democrats gains goodbye, something he may not even really care about, I don't know.

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Vote by mail should be national. We’ve had it in Oregon since 1998. With 15.5 million votes cast since then there have been a total of 14 fraud cases. Paper trail, an app that messages you when you ballot is mailed and received. Simple. Effective.

I agree. But of course, in the eyes of Republicans, simple and effective (and easy to vote) are all deal-breakers.

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This bill is more than enough to justify - even temporarily - removing the filibuster.

And a temporary removal might sway Manchin et al. But if he's hard core against it, he can kiss any Democrats gains goodbye, something he may not even really care about, I don't know.

Losing him (i.e. in 2022) might be short-term cost for long-term gain. Getting this bill passed might be the most important thing the Dems could do to fight all of the national voter suppression ongoing around the country,



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DOA in the Senate. Chuckie Schumes doesn't have any real prospect of repealing the filibuster, which means that the covid relief bill will be the only major piece of Democratic legislation passed this session.

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Vote by mail should be national. We’ve had it in Oregon since 1998. With 15.5 million votes cast since then there have been a total of 14 fraud cases. Paper trail, an app that messages you when you ballot is mailed and received. Simple. Effective.

And as Trump explained, easy to sabotage as well. Not 'cause fraud', just ensure non-delivery. Any plan needs to include postal service protections.

Indeed. For most of my 70+ years I've always had the impression that the USPO was apolitical. Trump changed all that. I always take my ballot downtown and drop it off at the election offices. A minor inconvenience but still easier than queuing up at a polling place.

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that the covid relief bill will be the only major piece of Democratic legislation passed this session.

I agree on the voting bill, that undoing the filibuster is unlikely. I cannot imagine how they can move Manchin.

But on the issue of other bills, the current relief bill is using last fiscal year's budget reconciliation since no budget passed. (They just used the Continuing Resolution.) They get another bite of the apple using this year's budget so they can do a second reconciliation bill. This is the 'infrastructure' bill they have been talking about.