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More Michigan Covidiocy
Posted by: Sam3
Date: April 26, 2021 09:32AM
I'm kind of surprised that this story didn't hit the MRF "Friendy" side. You think Texas and Florida are bad? Parents are up in arms protesting that kids need to be freed from masks, saying that "...elementary-aged kids have suffered this school year as a result of COVID-19 restrictions like mask rules..."

[www.mlive.com]

Some more fun Covidiot quotes:
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“I understand that (schools require masks) to keep the kids safe, and the teachers,” Gamby said. “But I think some leniency should be put into place because these kids are struggling, big time, and we don’t know the long-term effects that wearing these masks are doing due to them.”

Really?

So this person thinks that it's a good idea to have a 7000 student school system get shut down in order to "stand up to the state":
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But Gamby said if Hudsonville were to make masks optional, the act of “standing up to the state” would be worth the risk of being forced to shut down.

“I think it’s a worthwhile risk to take because at some point, somebody needs to stand up and fight for our kids’ health,” she said. “Not COVID health, but their mental health, their physical health of what wearing a mask does to their little body, and their academic health, they can’t continue to learn and thrive with a mask over their face.”

While we're talking about covid-19, let's just go ahead and bring in gender issues:
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DeBois said he thinks it is “common sense” for schools to make masks optional.

“If the schools are allowing students and parents to choose their gender, they should be allowing us to decide whether or not our own children wear a mask,” DeBois said.

And finally from that article, the big bad gubmint wants to control our kids.
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“The government cannot make a decision for my kids’ health,” she said. “And that’s what it boils down to, the government is controlling what is best for my kids, and that is a parent’s choice.”

Did you see how perfectly the protesters wore their masks? Oh, wait...

Salon also covered this.

[www.salon.com]

Love this quote:
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Hudsonville mom Jeanette Schuiteman, who has a son in the 11th grade, expressed a number of concerns. While masks were the dominant complaint, many also aired their grievances about the social distancing measures noting how their children have only had minimal interaction with others since school started. Schuiteman insists the measures are "physically not healthy."

She believes masks should be voluntary decisions made by individuals; not the school district.

"I think that's a decision that a parent should be able to make given the harmful side effects that might occur because of it," she said. "There is not really any scientific evidence to back up the effectiveness of masks for transmitting a virus."
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Uh, sure lady.

Just to let you know, Ottawa County, MI and Hudsonville especially have a high percentage of Christian Reformed people, the Christian Reformed are quite conservative, maybe not quite to the extent of Baptists, but still pretty hard core.

Definitely Trump country.



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Re: More Michigan Covidiocy
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: April 26, 2021 09:41AM
Like antivaxxers, it's evolution in action. They take some of us with them, but...

Don't forget the motorcycle anti helmet campaigns: "They cause neck injuries !" (Well, yeah, but you'd be dead otherwise)

Dumbassery will continue...
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Re: More Michigan Covidiocy
Posted by: Sam3
Date: April 26, 2021 09:44AM
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cbelt3
Like antivaxxers, it's evolution in action. They take some of us with them, but...

Don't forget the motorcycle anti helmet campaigns: "They cause neck injuries !" (Well, yeah, but you'd be dead otherwise)

Dumbassery will continue...

Well, yeah, you do have a point, Michigan did do away with mandatory helmet laws.



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Re: More Michigan Covidiocy
Posted by: S. Pupp
Date: April 26, 2021 09:49AM
"we don’t know the long-term effects that wearing these masks are doing due to them"

We DO know the long term effects of these masks: NOT DYING or ending up with LIFE-LONG lung, heart, or brain problems.

If masks were dangerous, we'd know about it: Surgeons and their staff wear masks most of the day.

I'm so tired of the inane, stupid ramblings of segments of our population being given any credence whatsoever. People with such little common sense should lose their voting privileges, or be put away for their own protection. That includes my own neurologist - level of education seems to have little bearing on who's an anti-masker complaining about long-term effects of masks on kids.
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Re: More Michigan Covidiocy
Posted by: Filliam H. Muffman
Date: April 26, 2021 10:25AM
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S. Pupp
We DO know the long term effects of these masks: NOT DYING or ending up with LIFE-LONG lung, heart, or brain problems.

The stats are that for every one person that dies, there are 19 more people that end up as Long Haulers. 8 out of 1000 Long Haulers die in the next year. It will take another year to collect reliable stats on that 8. Mutations will likely raise that number.



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Re: More Michigan Covidiocy
Posted by: p8712
Date: April 26, 2021 11:17AM
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We DO know the long term effects of these masks: NOT DYING or ending up with LIFE-LONG lung, heart, or brain problems.

If masks were dangerous, we'd know about it: Surgeons and their staff wear masks most of the day.

I had a nurse and nurse practitioner argue with me that we are going to see a wave of COPD cases because of what masks are doing to our oxygen levels. There’s no saving the world.

Don’t worry, in the same conversation they went on to explain to me how the gallbladder is intimately involved in the digestion of protein.
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Re: More Michigan Covidiocy
Posted by: deckeda
Date: April 26, 2021 11:48AM
This has been a familiar story all over. Protect the kids, unless it interferes with my being able to go to work or to lead them into becoming responsible humans.

No, a lot of the time parents most certainly do NOT know best.
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Re: More Michigan Covidiocy
Posted by: Speedy
Date: April 26, 2021 03:03PM
I’m not up on what Michigan has for restrictions. Masks in commercial buildings, limited indoor dining, etc.? Or did the legislature wrest control from the governor and open the state?



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Re: More Michigan Covidiocy
Posted by: S. Pupp
Date: April 26, 2021 06:20PM
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We DO know the long term effects of these masks: NOT DYING or ending up with LIFE-LONG lung, heart, or brain problems.

If masks were dangerous, we'd know about it: Surgeons and their staff wear masks most of the day.

I had a nurse and nurse practitioner argue with me that we are going to see a wave of COPD cases because of what masks are doing to our oxygen levels. There’s no saving the world.

Don’t worry, in the same conversation they went on to explain to me how the gallbladder is intimately involved in the digestion of protein.

I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
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Re: More Michigan Covidiocy
Posted by: p8712
Date: April 26, 2021 06:58PM
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We DO know the long term effects of these masks: NOT DYING or ending up with LIFE-LONG lung, heart, or brain problems.

If masks were dangerous, we'd know about it: Surgeons and their staff wear masks most of the day.

I had a nurse and nurse practitioner argue with me that we are going to see a wave of COPD cases because of what masks are doing to our oxygen levels. There’s no saving the world.

Don’t worry, in the same conversation they went on to explain to me how the gallbladder is intimately involved in the digestion of protein.

I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

This was from a person with the power to prescribe. And we wonder why the third leading cause of death is the third leading cause of death.
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Re: More Michigan Covidiocy
Posted by: AllGold
Date: April 26, 2021 08:26PM
I saw that but didn't post it here because it's another subscriber exclusive and I didn't want to mess with it. But I was amazed at the epic stupidity.

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Speedy
I’m not up on what Michigan has for restrictions. Masks in commercial buildings, limited indoor dining, etc.? Or did the legislature wrest control from the governor and open the state?

The legislature (actually, the Michigan Supreme Court) did in fact take away the governor's emergency powers, but failed--so far--at doing the same with the health department so a state-wide mask mandate is still in effect along with 50% capacity and a curfew on indoor dining and bars.

There is a petition drive to nullify the law that gives emergency powers. They have enough signatures and if certified, it can go directly to the Republican-majority legislature and it will be veto proof.



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Re: More Michigan Covidiocy
Posted by: AllGold
Date: April 26, 2021 08:33PM
And while people are complaining about having to wear masks, Michigan hospitals are full and younger patients are the ones getting sick.

[www.michiganradio.org]

[www.michiganradio.org]



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Re: More Michigan Covidiocy
Posted by: Don C
Date: April 26, 2021 08:39PM
So parents decide to enforce not mask wearing; the kid gets a mild case but has long term effects. Turns 21 and sues the parents for negligence.

Plausible?
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Re: More Michigan Covidiocy
Posted by: Speedy
Date: April 27, 2021 12:10AM
AllGold, thank you for the primer.

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AllGold
I saw that but didn't post it here because it's another subscriber exclusive and I didn't want to mess with it. But I was amazed at the epic stupidity.

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Speedy
I’m not up on what Michigan has for restrictions. Masks in commercial buildings, limited indoor dining, etc.? Or did the legislature wrest control from the governor and open the state?

The legislature (actually, the Michigan Supreme Court) did in fact take away the governor's emergency powers, but failed--so far--at doing the same with the health department so a state-wide mask mandate is still in effect along with 50% capacity and a curfew on indoor dining and bars.

There is a petition drive to nullify the law that gives emergency powers. They have enough signatures and if certified, it can go directly to the Republican-majority legislature and it will be veto proof.



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Re: More Michigan Covidiocy
Posted by: Sam3
Date: April 27, 2021 03:41AM
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AllGold

:::snip:::

There is a petition drive to nullify the law that gives emergency powers. They have enough signatures and if certified, it can go directly to the Republican-majority legislature and it will be veto proof.

Yeah, isn't that a nice quirk in the law, 1/10th of the population gets to decide what everyone will have to do. (if my math is correct). Approx. 350,000 signatures are need to get a petition put on a ballot, or, if the legislature wants, they can debate and vote on that petition. If it passes, the ballot initiative becomes a veto-proof law, the ballot initiative doesn't have to appear on the ballot anymore. So a minority can make the rules, if the legislature approves.



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Re: More Michigan Covidiocy
Posted by: AllGold
Date: April 27, 2021 02:41PM
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AllGold

:::snip:::

There is a petition drive to nullify the law that gives emergency powers. They have enough signatures and if certified, it can go directly to the Republican-majority legislature and it will be veto proof.

Yeah, isn't that a nice quirk in the law, 1/10th of the population gets to decide what everyone will have to do. (if my math is correct). Approx. 350,000 signatures are need to get a petition put on a ballot, or, if the legislature wants, they can debate and vote on that petition. If it passes, the ballot initiative becomes a veto-proof law, the ballot initiative doesn't have to appear on the ballot anymore. So a minority can make the rules, if the legislature approves.

Definitely bad lawmaking.

The problem is the Republican-majority legislature doesn't represent a majority of voters because of gerrymandering. Fortunately, that will soon change in Michigan with the independent redistricting commission (which, by the way, is the result of a ballot initiative). Republicans know they will lose their majority and are trying to ram through everything they can before the clock runs out.



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Re: More Michigan Covidiocy
Posted by: Filliam H. Muffman
Date: April 29, 2021 12:13AM
Hmm, Canada is having a surge that seems to be from the new mutations. They are several weeks behind the US in vaccinating essential workers that are crossing the border (mostly truckers). That could be a partial source of the recent wave.

Edit: They just announced the Canadian F1 GP has been cancelled for this year (week leading up to June 13) due to high cases.



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