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1918 to 1957....
Posted by: space-time
Date: May 10, 2021 10:28PM
[www.washingtonpost.com]

Are there any lessons that can be extracted from this landscape? And does the course of the 1918 pandemic hold any lessons for today?

To answer the last question first, the 1918 pandemic began in the spring with an intermittent first wave no deadlier than ordinary influenza, then seemed to disappear. A more contagious and more lethal variant caused the deadly second wave, and then it also seemed to disappear. In March 1919, another variant sparked a third wave much less deadly than the second wave but more lethal than seasonal influenza. First wave illness protected against the second wave, but neither first nor second wave infection protected against the third wave variant. Further mutations, combined with an improved ability of the immune system to respond, helped turn the virus into an ordinary seasonal influenza — until it was replaced by the 1957 pandemic influenza virus..
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Re: 1918 to 1957....
Posted by: rgG
Date: May 10, 2021 10:56PM
Wait, there was a pandemic in 1957? I was born in 1957. smiley-shocked003





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Re: 1918 to 1957....
Posted by: RgrF
Date: May 10, 2021 11:04PM
I was in 7th grade and we did indeed have a localized pandemic consisting of penguin garbed sadists wandering school halls armed with paint sticks.
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Re: 1918 to 1957....
Posted by: Lizabeth
Date: May 11, 2021 08:22AM
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RgrF
I was in 7th grade and we did indeed have a localized pandemic consisting of penguin garbed sadists wandering school halls armed with paint sticks.

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Re: 1918 to 1957....
Posted by: modelamac
Date: May 11, 2021 08:24AM
I graduated from HS in 1957. This is news to me. Maybe a lot of folks got the flu (including me) that year, but there was no mention of a pandemic. No massive hospitalizations, no businesses shut down because of absenteeism, no TV announcements, no school closures.

I joined the USAF that fall and spent the first 3 days of my enlistment in the infirmary, delirious with the flu. The two friends I joined with started basic training without me and I never heard from or saw them again but that's another story. No large flu outbreak either in MI or in TX, so I think your source is flawed.



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I think I will just put an OUT OF ORDER
sticker on my head and call it a day.
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Re: 1918 to 1957....
Posted by: sekker
Date: May 11, 2021 08:46AM
1957 Pandemic Info from the CDC

[www.cdc.gov]
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Re: 1918 to 1957....
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: May 11, 2021 08:47AM
....the time just.....flu.....by......



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Re: 1918 to 1957....
Posted by: JoeH
Date: May 11, 2021 09:04AM
The wikipedia page - 1957–1958_influenza_pandemic

That mentions that the 1957 virus morphed into another virus causing pandemic a decade later in 1968 now known as the Hong Kong Flu. The estimates of deaths in 1957/58 from this range from 1 to 4 million, CDC using an estimate of 1.1 million.



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Re: 1918 to 1957....
Posted by: deckeda
Date: May 11, 2021 09:04AM
"We" never heard about the 1957 pandemic because Maurice Hilleman (creator of measles/mumps vaccine):

1) learned of it
2) imported samples to test with military assistance
3) had the freaking clout to instruct vaccine companies to craft it

... and all before it could really take hold in America. Still, over 100,000 here died (as compared to 1.1M worldwide. Yes it was a pandemic.)

[www.smithsonianmag.com]
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Re: 1918 to 1957....
Posted by: deckeda
Date: May 11, 2021 09:07AM
Imagine if we had started in January 2020 instead of March 2020 or whatever. We have WAY too many people in this country (or had, until we elected someone else?) thinking 2-3 months is no big deal.
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Re: 1918 to 1957....
Posted by: deckeda
Date: May 11, 2021 09:17AM
And note the final sentence from that Smithsonian article:

Alexandra Lord, chair and curator of medicine and science at the National Museum of American History, says one irony of public health is that “the more successful experts are, the more people forget about the dangers.”
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Posted by: CW2V
Date: May 11, 2021 09:47AM


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Re: 1918 to 1957....
Posted by: Lux Interior
Date: May 11, 2021 09:49AM
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Lizabeth
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RgrF
I was in 7th grade and we did indeed have a localized pandemic consisting of penguin garbed sadists wandering school halls armed with paint sticks.

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Re: 1918 to 1957....
Posted by: Janit
Date: May 11, 2021 01:26PM
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deckeda
"We" never heard about the 1957 pandemic because Maurice Hilleman (creator of measles/mumps vaccine):

1) learned of it
2) imported samples to test with military assistance
3) had the freaking clout to instruct vaccine companies to craft it

... and all before it could really take hold in America. Still, over 100,000 here died (as compared to 1.1M worldwide. Yes it was a pandemic.)

[www.smithsonianmag.com]

While growing up, I heard about both the "Asian" Flu and the "Hong Kong" Flu. In my circles they were reduced to children's ditties, but they were known.



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Re: 1918 to 1957....
Posted by: deckeda
Date: May 11, 2021 05:41PM
Here's a Radiolab episode about Maurice Hilleman (Dec. 3 last year)

[www.wnycstudios.org]

One of the interviewees mentioned Hilleman's death (2005) at a medical conference ... pediatricians had never heard of Hilleman, despite Hilleman's creation of 8 of the 14 vaccines regularly given to children today. He even made the chicken pox vaccine, definitely not available when I was a kid!
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